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creyzi4zb12
Learned Scribe
Philippines
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 Posted - 25 Oct 2008 : 14:49:06
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What's your favorite tragic ending in FR products? Can anybody point why..
I've read
-Death of the Dragon: Coz Tanalasta was killed and she never met with Rowen..awww!!
-Crusades: Coz the Khahans army got destroyed and Batu killed himself
-Avatar: Coz Rinda got lost in Kelemvor's Realm after she died....I never knew what happened to her after she got killed by Malik
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 25 Oct 2008 : 16:03:48
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The novelization of Beverly Hills Cop 2. Very tragic. I can never get that time back.
Oh wait, that's not FR.
The closest would be Grand History of the Realms. It was a sourcebook, but reading those last few entries shocked and saddened me greater than anything else. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 25 Oct 2008 : 21:13:02
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quote:
Originally posted by creyzi4zb12
-Avatar: Coz Rinda got lost in Kelemvor's Realm after she died....I never knew what happened to her after she got killed by Malik
It's mentioned in the book that her soul was guided to Oghmas home. So she found peace. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 25 Oct 2008 : 21:44:02
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| -I think, for me, this would definitely go to Elaine Cunningham's short story "The More Things Change". Tragic, on so many levels. There's Elaith's initial failure of the Moonblade ritual, and his subsequent departure from Evermeet. There's his continued descent, in dishonorably killing the drunks in the tavern, and his eventually plundering of the Elven tombs of Erlunn, his possible redemption in his daughter, and the haunting "what could have been" echo in Arlilyn. |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 26 Oct 2008 : 01:32:44
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| Of those options, I say the most tragic was Avatar. But I think more tragic was the fate of Jander Sunstar in Vamp of the Mists...of course, erm...hm, well....we don't know what really happened but... |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 04:00:44
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| I guess I shouldn't say the 4th edition Forgotten Realms Campaign Book |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 06:19:47
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quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
I guess I shouldn't say the 4th edition Forgotten Realms Campaign Book
Nope, because it's not a novel.  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 21:52:23
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I didn't find Khelben's death tragic - I found it triumphant.
Although I was sad for Laeral, the rest of the story just made that point 'small' by comaprison (to me, anyway).
As for which tragedy I 'prefer' - Having recently re-read Kemp's most excellent EC trilogy, I have to say the ending of Midnight's Mask was a real tear-jerker for me. |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 22:25:41
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Though it was definitely a pang, Jak's passing didn't make a huge impact on me...that is, until Riven toasted him so appropriately at the inn.
What an incredible moment - so realistic and small and poignant. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
757 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2008 : 08:05:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
I guess I shouldn't say the 4th edition Forgotten Realms Campaign Book
Nope, because it's not a novel.
Although WizBro seems to think it's novel... 
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Saddest for me was the short story in Realms of the Elves: Necessary Sacrifices, by Lisa Smedman. I get a lump in my throat each time I read the last paragraph. Granted, it's not a novel either... |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2008 : 08:42:39
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-Book 6 of The War of the Spider Queen series. Halistra(sp?) gets screwed over royaly. 
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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 24 Nov 2008 : 09:02:39
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(Acknowledging that I pretty much have only read RAS novels and related lorebooks...)
The Pirate King, [spoiler] because nothing that Drizzt tried to accomplish there in Luskan worked out for him, at all. Deudermont, Luskan, democracy...they all just go down in ashes. While some early readers have complained that Drizzt's closing scene seems too abrupt and incomplete, more eagle-eyed observers will be able to see that the disappointment of the conclusion actually ramps up over several chapters. It's like you see the flames growing all around, and smell the smoke arising for a considerable time, before the hulk of a building finally comes crashing down. And then all that's left is to just gather yourself and walk away from it. Critics of RAS have long complained that Drizzt is thought of as being far more powerful or influential than he really is. Here, RAS says so, himself. And it ain't pretty. [/ spoiler] |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 Nov 2008 : 17:03:55
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Originally posted by The Sage
Triumphant? Interesting. Can you elaborate on that Markus?
-I agree. I never understood why people found his death tragic, or problematic, or whatever. Khelben was "appointed" a duty since birth, and after centuries of doing stuff, he got to fulfill his duty, which we all know, defined him. And, to add to that, after doing so, he got the honor of going to Arvandor, the "acceptance" (with him being a half-breed and all) of being accepted by his father, his mother, the Elves and the Seldarine.
-It's very akin to Frodo being given a seat on the ships leaving for the Gray Havens in the West. It's not so much tragic or problematic as it is happiness and sadness mixed in one, smiling while you cry, all while being proud at the same time. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 Nov 2008 : 17:18:19
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| Yes, I agree, Khelben was ultimately fulfilling what he was "meant" to do, and was apparently fine with that. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2008 : 09:00:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Yes, I agree, Khelben was ultimately fulfilling what he was "meant" to do, and was apparently fine with that.
So the sole purpose of his life was to bring back some old elven city? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36804 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2008 : 12:17:51
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quote:
Originally posted by khorne
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Yes, I agree, Khelben was ultimately fulfilling what he was "meant" to do, and was apparently fine with that.
So the sole purpose of his life was to bring back some old elven city?
Not the sole purpose, no -- he did a lot more than that in his time on Toril.
And he didn't just bring back some old elven city. He cleansed an area poisoned by foul magic, righting an ancient wrong. He gave a lot of people a second chance. And the city itself was a beacon of hope and goodness. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2008 : 16:02:41
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quote:
Originally posted by khorne
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Yes, I agree, Khelben was ultimately fulfilling what he was "meant" to do, and was apparently fine with that.
So the sole purpose of his life was to bring back some old elven city?
That's not what I said. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 25 Nov 2008 : 17:15:42
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quote:
Originally posted by khorne
So the sole purpose of his life was to bring back some old elven city?
-His true name (Not Truename, as in the magic, true name, as in actual name) is/was Akhelbhen, which is translated as He whom Magic, Duty, and Honor Defines. From birth, he had metaphorical (and literal) duties to accomplish, very much in the predetermined vein. The ending of Blackstaff culminated in the return of the City of Hope, and the passing of his own spirit. As a reward for living a life of honor and duty, he was afforded a spot in Arvandor. He was finally accepted by the Elves who shunned him during the earlier portions of his life. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2008 : 18:24:09
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Since Dagnirion has already addressed it, all I need say is "Yeah... that". 
His whole life led up to that moment... and tossing Frostrune into Undermountain was just icing on the cake. 
As for RAS's novels - they are so full of constant death that I really don't care enough about any of them to get emotional involved. When the cavern came crashing down on Wulfgar, all I could think of was "why couldn't it have been Drizzt?"
The fact that he brought Wulfgar back just cheapened the whole thing for me, so how am I supposed to care about the characters after that?
As for WotSQ... don't get me started... there's a very good reason why I usually avoid the 'novel' threads.
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Originally posted by khorne
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Yes, I agree, Khelben was ultimately fulfilling what he was "meant" to do, and was apparently fine with that.
So the sole purpose of his life was to bring back some old elven city?
Yes... minus the Elves who actually lived in the city, mind-you (but I've already beaten that horse to death).
I also found it ironic that his reward was to be admitted to the 'Elven Afterlife', rather then the human one, and then 4e turned around and screwed-the-pouch by saying that their are no different pantheons - the gods are all the same acting under different names.
Surprise Khelben! You didn't earn anything - you went to the same place you were going to either way. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 07:59:55
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Originally posted by Markustay
I also found it ironic that his reward was to be admitted to the 'Elven Afterlife', rather then the human one
I think he was damn lucky to go to Arvandor instead of Mystra, considering Mystra's realm BLEW UP. |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 14:52:28
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| Not in my Realms. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3243 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 15:00:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Not in my Realms.
Hmmm... Dagnirion, I think you struck on a 'catchphrase' that may be taken up. Kinda like how Obama used 'Yes we can'. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 15:03:08
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quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Not in my Realms.
Hmmm... Dagnirion, I think you struck on a 'catchphrase' that may be taken up. Kinda like how Obama used 'Yes we can'.
Well, it's actually not a new saying.
For that matter, neither is the "Yes, we can" slogan. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 26 Nov 2008 15:04:52 |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 18:03:19
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| Ahem. *Wooly wanders in, dusts off the topic, and sets it in a prominent place in the center of the room* |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3741 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 18:48:52
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Originally posted by khorne
I think he was damn lucky to go to Arvandor instead of Mystra, considering Mystra's realm BLEW UP.
-In retrospect, it was definitely a good move on the past of Khelben and his metaphorical "agent". |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 18:49:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Hmmm... Dagnirion, I think you struck on a 'catchphrase' that may be taken up. Kinda like how Obama used 'Yes we can'.
-It's nothing new. If anyone 'coined it', Rin did. Give her the credit, not me. |
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Tragedy Novels (spoiler warning)
