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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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 Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 19:52:40
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Then she shall have it! *passes credit to Rin*
RE: Khelben's death, I felt the same way. It wasn't a tragedy so much as his life-long ambition come to pass. |
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Ayn Fuuser
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 19 Jan 2009 : 00:03:05
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Greetings fellow scribes!
Having read a fair bit of FR based novels I would have to say that the Spellfire Trilogy ended in the most tragic manner for me. I thoroughly enjoyed the novels and (spoiler warning) just when I thought Shandra and Narm would make it safe and sound to Silverymoon in order to rendezvous with Alustriel, Shandra ended up simply "burning herself out" through a massive use of Spellfire.
This was followed by Narm afterwards completely falling apart and them having to strap him to his horse after her passing in order to ensure he would not have the oppurtunity to take his own life. And when he did attempt to jump off of that cliff and barely survived the fall, Shandra did appear to him through the power of Mystra and spellfire to tell him that, so long as spellfire existed, Mystra would allow her to visit him from time to time.
I felt like I instantly connected with Narm at that point, and I thought it to be the most depressing ending to any single series of novels that Ed has penned to date.
Not to mention the last sentence from the first book of the Knights of Myth Drannor trilogy.
"And then she died". I was dumbstruck. |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 19 Jan 2009 : 00:47:00
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I think I thought of Khelben's death as tragic because I was always very interested in the character, but I haven't really read many other novels with him in it. So it was almost like killing the character at the beginning of the story for me, and that made me sad.
I thought The Orc King was tragic mainly because I figured out almost immediately that the prologue and epilogue were placed in the future, and I wasn't aware of the pending time jump at that point. I hate to say it but I also thought that Salvatore's writing style was tragically lacking in that book. But that is a whole other topic that I could derail the thread with if I keep going. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 02:28:42
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Originally posted by Ayn Fuuser
Not to mention the last sentence from the first book of the Knights of Myth Drannor trilogy.
Indeed, it's hard to forget those last four words. One of the most memorable endings I've read. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Lord Karsus
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 17:30:55
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Indeed, it's hard to forget those last four words. One of the most memorable endings I've read.
-And that was?
The phrase at the end of Ayn Fuuser's post. If you want, we can discuss that book a bit more in person. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Lord Karsus
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Dart Ambermoon
Learned Scribe
Germany
253 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 07:45:12
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I thought the ending of Crucible was tragic...the last remnants of mortal love being lost in the oppression of adherence to now ruling a Godly domain. Cyric holding a cup with Midnght“s and Kelemvor“s tears, signifying all of this.
And Shadowrealm...on each and every level. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2009 : 00:15:05
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Indeed, it's hard to forget those last four words. One of the most memorable endings I've read.
-And that was?
The phrase at the end of Ayn Fuuser's post. If you want, we can discuss that book a bit more in person.
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A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2009 : 00:22:28
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Ghostwalker....
Walker and Arya not getting to spend their lives together.
Everything about Walker was tragic, the way he was treated as a kid, the way he was brought back and used by Gylther'yel......
even his and Arya making love the only time was bittersweet and tragic. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 04:02:28
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Ghostwalker....
Walker and Arya not getting to spend their lives together.
Everything about Walker was tragic, the way he was treated as a kid, the way he was brought back and used by Gylther'yel......
even his and Arya making love the only time was bittersweet and tragic.
-I finished that one recently...I found it very...anticlimactic. Not necessarily tragic, but...As if I read "all that", just for a "so-sp" ending. |
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Menelvagor
Senior Scribe
Israel
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Posted - 24 Mar 2009 : 19:56:49
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You know, regarding Khelben, I never did get it:
So he resurrects this cool magical elven city, sacrificing his life for it. Okay, fine.
Then, a rather short time later, Spellplague hits. What would happen to the city? I mean, some Mythals shattered, some were warped. What would it do to the city? Wouldn't it render it kind of obsolete?
That would make it a tragic novel.
EDIT: I just realized this as well: As Khelben's reward, he got to go to Arvandor, proving him a true elf, blah, blah, blah. Then, a few years later, it's 4e, and we find out that all the pantheons are the same. So he isn't in Arvandor, is he? He's with all the other guys, since the Seldarine Pantheon is the human one! |
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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 25 Mar 2009 : 13:14:41
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Originally posted by Menelvagor
Then, a rather short time later, Spellplague hits. What would happen to the city? I mean, some Mythals shattered, some were warped. What would it do to the city? Wouldn't it render it kind of obsolete?
I suspect that the city was simply overlooked by the designers... However, in a nod to keeping areas they liked, it's been said that the Sellplague "flowed around" areas of intense magic. I shan't go into all the logical holes presented by this bit. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 26 Mar 2009 : 00:57:46
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
I finished that one recently...I found it very...anticlimactic. Not necessarily tragic, but...As if I read "all that", just for a "so-sp" ending.
Terribly sorry if the ending didn't work for you--it resonates different ways to different readers, as all endings to all books do. (I guess to each his/her own, eh?)
It was certainly *meant* to be tragic (i.e., that's what I was going for). Whether I achieved it or not, depends--as these things always do--on your own perspective.
We are but poor, poor players, we writers. Entertainers thrive by entertainment, and I'm glad if the rest of the book was "all that" for you.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 26 Mar 2009 : 08:18:05
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| The most recent drow trilogy could certainly be seen as tragic. According to a spirit from Arvandor all those drow not turned into dark elves at the end are eternally damned... |
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