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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 03:06:16
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
In summary, this is my solemn plea: Please only buy the 4e Realms products if you actually like what is there.
This I truly agree and has been my creed since this 4E fiasco.
Why buy the "core books" or the setting books and then judge? You buy the book and still think it sucks, you didn't tell WotC nothing because you put money they wanted in their pocket.
They got you.
So, browse the books first.
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
749 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 03:07:22
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
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Originally posted by Eremite
Once the products stop, don't certain rights return to Ed? Maybe Ed can then release his own preferred edition. MWP did a nice job of his Castlemourn setting; I'm sure they would be interested in FR if it became available.
In this case we must know what Ed is going to do with the Realms.. Is he willing to continue them under MWP or another company??Can he cancel the changes of Spellplague and 4th edition??
Here's what I think he should do.
Jump ship, take the Realms with him (pre-4E) and bring it over to Pathfinder RPG with Paizo.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 03:20:57
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Originally posted by Razz
Sorry about the orc-($# part. I thought these boards had filters. My fault.
It does, though sometimes it doesn't quite catch everything. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 05:59:17
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Originally posted by Razz
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
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Originally posted by Eremite
Once the products stop, don't certain rights return to Ed? Maybe Ed can then release his own preferred edition. MWP did a nice job of his Castlemourn setting; I'm sure they would be interested in FR if it became available.
In this case we must know what Ed is going to do with the Realms.. Is he willing to continue them under MWP or another company??Can he cancel the changes of Spellplague and 4th edition??
Here's what I think he should do.
Jump ship, take the Realms with him (pre-4E) and bring it over to Pathfinder RPG with Paizo.
We'll get both the edition and the setting we want and done by the RIGHT people.
I've had dreams where Ed did something along those lines... I really wish he could write about the Realms full time and make a (full, not partial) living out of it. I wish he still owned the Realms or somehow had a clawback agreement where the Realms would wholly come back to him if they aren't treated to his satisfaction...
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 09:28:41
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I would wish for the same thing if I hadn't learned long ago that wishing for what one cant get is a rather depressing pastime. A rule system created specifically for the Realms would be great though. Or the Realms transferred to any sort of level-less system.
Of course, if this "what if" scenario where to take place, most of the fan-base would spend the next century arguing with each other about which version of the Realms they would like to see continued. Grey-box? Eds original? TSR? 3ed.? I dont envy the persons having to make that choice. |
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 10:26:07
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Originally posted by Razz
Here's what I think he should do.
Jump ship, take the Realms with him (pre-4E) and bring it over to Pathfinder RPG with Paizo.
We'll get both the edition and the setting we want and done by the RIGHT people.
Though I agree with the second sentiment (right people right setting), which edition are you talking about? I think you will find some of us dislike 3.xE as much as others do 4E......... (even though they haven't seen the complete 4E rules yet )
Just my thoughts
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So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 15:53:55
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| IF the rights return to ed (which i'm sure they don't since WotC can still squeeze money out of those that haven't known extendedly about the setting beforehand) then he surely could retcon everything he wanted ... its within owners rights ... but i still think that ed would be wise enough to only retcon back to 3e ... local parts futher back because they was allready screwed up in 3e |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 03:44:59
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Razz
So, each year one campaign setting is coming and only 3 books per setting. Done. Sure, DDI updates will happen, but that's not really enough. So, once 2008 is over, kiss your Realms goodbye until 5th Edition.
For me, the official Realms is already gone, thanks to the Spellplague nonsense.
Still, ticks me off |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 07:26:29
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Razz
So, each year one campaign setting is coming and only 3 books per setting. Done. Sure, DDI updates will happen, but that's not really enough. So, once 2008 is over, kiss your Realms goodbye until 5th Edition.
For me, the official Realms is already gone, thanks to the Spellplague nonsense.
Still, ticks me off
You'll get used to it. It might take a year or two, but it passes. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 17:15:35
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Originally posted by Jorkens
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Razz
So, each year one campaign setting is coming and only 3 books per setting. Done. Sure, DDI updates will happen, but that's not really enough. So, once 2008 is over, kiss your Realms goodbye until 5th Edition.
For me, the official Realms is already gone, thanks to the Spellplague nonsense.
Still, ticks me off
You'll get used to it. It might take a year or two, but it passes.
It will pass once they see what they've done and retcon the whole thing |
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Dragonstar
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 18:18:59
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Originally posted by Razz
So, each year one campaign setting is coming and only 3 books per setting. Done. Sure, DDI updates will happen, but that's not really enough. So, once 2008 is over, kiss your Realms goodbye until 5th Edition.
Not that I doubt what you read, but would you care to provide a link to this info? From what I understand, additional settings (Ravenloft, Spelljammer, etc.) will be released in the same style as FR (Setting, Player's Guide, and an initial adventure), but that does not disclude the Realms themselves from having additional material published. If anything, with the Living Forgotten Realms push at the end of this year, I'd think there would be more publishing love given to the FR than any other setting. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6662 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 23:12:54
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WotC haven't ruled out publishing more FR-specific books after 2008 but have implied that that is not currently the plan unless they get an idea for a book that is really good. The DDI is where the Realms will enjoy ongoing support.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 00:15:24
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Originally posted by Dragonstar
If anything, with the Living Forgotten Realms push at the end of this year, I'd think there would be more publishing love given to the FR than any other setting.
Why? There was no plethora of 3E Greyhawk products for the Living Greyhawk games. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 01:43:06
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Caedwyr
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
In summary, this is my solemn plea: Please only buy the 4e Realms products if you actually like what is there.
Or if you are willing to wait a short while, I'm sure you could pick up a second hand copy fairly easily. (Amazon marketplace, Abebooks, or similar). You get the book and WoTC doesn't get your money for the resale.
That's what I was thinking of doing.
That would be probably the only way I would get it myself |
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
749 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 03:00:31
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Originally posted by George Krashos
WotC haven't ruled out publishing more FR-specific books after 2008 but have implied that that is not currently the plan unless they get an idea for a book that is really good. The DDI is where the Realms will enjoy ongoing support.
-- George Krashos
More like if they get an idea for a book that will rake in the most profit.
Just makes me even more saddened to hear that. Back in TSR days, the designers wrote and wrote for the love of the setting and put out a FR book that was fun to read through no matter what it was.
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 03:52:16
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Originally posted by George Krashos
WotC haven't ruled out publishing more FR-specific books after 2008 but have implied that that is not currently the plan unless they get an idea for a book that is really good. The DDI is where the Realms will enjoy ongoing support.
-- George Krashos
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 04:41:34
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| Razz, TSR went bankrupt because of its lack of fiscally sound business practices. But if it makes you feel any better there exists an entire team dedicated to the publishing of Realmslore without any regard to profits—the staff of the Candlekeep Compendium. And it just so happens we’re looking for new blood. So if YOU or anyone else wants to write for the love of the setting, we’d love to have you. But WotC is a business with employees, and freelancers, and shareholders; individuals who all expect and deserve to be paid for their hard work. |
Brian R. James - Freelance Game Designer
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 05:49:35
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
But WotC is a business with employees, and freelancers, and shareholders; individuals who all expect and deserve to be paid for their hard work.
And fans of the Forgotten Realms are consumers who all expect and deserve for their loyalty and large monetary investment to be rewarded with due consideration; obviously, capitalism does not automatically reward either loyalty OR hard work, so what you (and I) just posted means nothing. WotC employees only "deserve" to continue getting paid so long as WotC products earn greater annual profits as a result of a business decision that essentially screws over the people who have been buying Realms products for years. If this gamble results in consistently greater profits, then overall utility of humankind is slightly increased, and I will henceforth regard this affair sadly but philosophically. If consistently greater profits do not materialize and the WotC employees who were directly responsible for this mess lose their jobs, then I will personally have no sympathy for people who, with callous disregard for the expectations of a loyal fanbase, have deprived my own life of much of its utility. |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 06:51:43
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Profound, low tech. 
I never considered becoming a shareholder. Has anybody purchased stock in Hasbro and voiced opinions or requested data about WotC's justifications as an owner?
From my limited understanding of corporations, owning stock, even a single share (currently trading at approximately $35, approximately the price of current products), may actually grant us greater influence with WoTC beyond than as customers.
And we could encourage them to get the lead out of some of Hasbro's other product lines...? ::note to self, check their recalls:: |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31726 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 07:39:05
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
But if it makes you feel any better there exists an entire team dedicated to the publishing of Realmslore without any regard to profits—the staff of the Candlekeep Compendium. And it just so happens we’re looking for new blood. So if YOU or anyone else wants to write for the love of the setting, we’d love to have you.
Just to expand a little on what Brian was saying above...
So long as you've got some good ideas, and a willingness to explore the Realms through exciting new articles, then the Candlekeep Compendium wants YOU! We're always looking for contributions, whether they're one-shots, part of a series, or just something you feel passionate about in terms of a piece of Realmslore. Here's your chance.
For those interested in participating, simply contact Alaundo and he'll make the necessary arrangements.
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Braveheart
Learned Scribe
Austria
159 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 09:42:12
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
Profound, low tech.
From my limited understanding of corporations, owning stock, even a single share (currently trading at approximately $35, approximately the price of current products), may actually grant us greater influence with WoTC beyond than as customers.
Well, I canceled my order of the 4E Campaign Setting at Amazon yesterday and wrote "4E is no way acceptable right now" as reason for canceling the order. I was just wondering, if some 100+ cancellations at Amazon would have any influence on the outcome of the Campaign Setting? |
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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
USA
89 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 10:26:23
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Actually, there's a few options that I've been looking at in regards to the Realms, at least for me and mine (and my group).
Option 1- Snag me a copy of the Pathfinder rules, and have that be the "4E" rules that I use.
Option 2- Actually do the switch over from D&D to Rolemaster that I've been threatening since this whole "4th E"-diocy has been announced.
Option 3- "Vote with my Wallet", but not in the way that everyone's been talking about. Get the 4e core books, DDI, and Forgotten Realms books, but only those. Don't touch anything else coming out. I honestly have been thinking long and hard about this latter option. I mean, if everyone starts canceling their FR orders then won't WotC take that as "Oh, no one is interested in FR, guess we don't need to release anything ever again for it."?
I've been watching how WotC does things for a while now, and I know that they won't just hand the stuff over to Ed, sadly. Case in point, Legends of the Five Rings (which I use now for all my Kara-Tur rules, since WotC didn't publish anything). They purchased L5R from Alderac, and IMO attempted to kill the game. They so badly tanked the story line, it almost died. Then they "generously" sold the rights back to Alderac. Heck, one of the first promo cards after the rights went back was called "Welcome Home". Now, L5R has been crawling back to it's place of popularity, but I still don't think it's where it once was. It's still a viable competitor, though, and I think WotC isn't going to "make that mistake" again. Giving Ed the rights to his own setting would be doom to WotC and D&D and I think we all know it. No matter what the rules, the setting would pull more than a few "die-hards" and "noobs" from D&D and to where ever Ed went. WotC is sure as shooting not going to let that happen.
On a side note... if they're going to "focus on one setting a year", what happens after the butchery of FR, Eber-yawn, and Grayhawk? New settings? Or do we get Dark Sun, Ravenloft, and Dragonlance thrown into the 4th Edition +5 Blender of Mental Margaritas? I mean, personally, I'd be for a Dark Sun book, that's just me. I just am fearful of what the current mindset would do to it, as well as any other setting already existing that has a fan base. ("OK, everyone, we're going to go farm Strad's Castle. Of course, we need to make sure that Count Strad's respawned first, or it's not going to get us high enough to get our paragon paths...") And what's really terrifying is the notion that they could bring back Birthright... oh, the humanity. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 14:57:41
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Originally posted by Razz
More like if they get an idea for a book that will rake in the most profit.
Just makes me even more saddened to hear that. Back in TSR days, the designers wrote and wrote for the love of the setting and put out a FR book that was fun to read through no matter what it was.
*sighs*
Well, every company has profit as their top-priority, and I don't doubt that the current crop of designers "loves the Realms." That being said, I don't think a lot of their ideas mesh well with what the setting is supposed to be. That is of course just my take on things--as always YMMV. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 16:08:49
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
...and I don't doubt that the current crop of designers "loves the Realms..."
I actually do not see this at all, they may love to write in the Realms, but I do not see an actual love for the Realms. By the 4e Realms team or WotC in general. None of them run or play in a Realms game, but they all steal elements of the Realms for their own campaign setting (discussed in one of the earlier interviews, sorry I do not remember which one , and do not have the patience to find it). Also, they are willing to read a 20+ page campaign guide that Chris Perkins has made for his new campaign, but they are no willing to read up on the Realms (albeit, more than 20+ pages for the whole thing, but for many of the regions, there is a total or 20 or less pages of data). Also, when Ed and many of the other authors who they consulted before making this decision said that it was not a good idea, they thought that they knew best and went ahead with it anyways (also from a blog or interview or something, but I do not have the time nor energy while at work to find the link). None of that speaks to me as a "love for the Realms." |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 16:57:08
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Cool avatar, Hawkins!
Depending upon the corporate structure, it's highly likely that the WotC employees with whom we interact have no ability to stop the 4.0 changes, short of voting with their feet.
As far as gaming group participation, in my experience good groups are, first and foremost, social venues. If part of a group of close friends wants to switch settings or even games, it's healthy for groups to compromise.
So, while it would be ideal if designers were gaming the FR while designing FR product, I don't know that it's fair to fault gamers hired for creativity if and when they switch out their games in response to setting-fatigue--or to reach group concensus.  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 18:23:11
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
I actually do not see this at all, they may love to write in the Realms, but I do not see an actual love for the Realms. By the 4e Realms team or WotC in general.
I've heard that Rich Baker actually does run a Realms campaign, although not "in-office."
As for my point--the designers have said that they "love the Realms." It would be bad form, on my part, to suggest that they are lying and DON'T actually love the setting. So, the fairest thing to do is take them at their word.
Whether they love the Realms or not, it has nothing to do with how I have received the news of the changes that are coming to the setting. I don't like them. Does that make sense? |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 20:00:32
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
So, while it would be ideal if designers were gaming the FR while designing FR product, I don't know that it's fair to fault gamers hired for creativity if and when they switch out their games in response to setting-fatigue--or to reach group concensus.
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I've heard that Rich Baker actually does run a Realms campaign, although not "in-office."
As for my point--the designers have said that they "love the Realms." It would be bad form, on my part, to suggest that they are lying and DON'T actually love the setting. So, the fairest thing to do is take them at their word.
Whether they love the Realms or not, it has nothing to do with how I have received the news of the changes that are coming to the setting. I don't like them. Does that make sense?
Actually, both of these statements/arguments make sense, and I was thinking about them when I typed my response. It is just that for me, in most cases, actions speak louder than words, and the actions that I have seen speak quite loudly. Thanks for your responses! |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 21:30:04
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ShepherdGunn: Does Amazon communicate order cancelations to publishers? I've never preordered thru them....
Rilonalyrna: Makes sense. You can definitely respect someone's personal integrity and dislike their work/product.
Hawkins: The actions vs words argument resonates with me. But ideals infrequently feed families or provide health insurance. But they make it easier to sleep at night, unless they keep you awake pondering....
Sage: Thanks for the invite. I ducked out of a beating with the creativity stick somewhere in life. Ideas come less frequently than I'd like, but I'll check out the compendiums and see if I have any unique ideas meriting development!  |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 23:23:25
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Razz
So, each year one campaign setting is coming and only 3 books per setting. Done. Sure, DDI updates will happen, but that's not really enough. So, once 2008 is over, kiss your Realms goodbye until 5th Edition.
For me, the official Realms is already gone, thanks to the Spellplague nonsense.
You preach it, gurl! 
I now advertise my own campaign by telling potential new players that, "No, your favorite mage is not already dead or insane." To me, this "Spellplague" rubbish is about as "fun" as was character roll-up in Traveller (or was it Star Wars -- or both?): "Okay, thanks for spending two hours on character creation; now get out a clean character sheet because your character died during roll-up...."
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
749 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 23:33:37
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Razz, TSR went bankrupt because of its lack of fiscally sound business practices. But if it makes you feel any better there exists an entire team dedicated to the publishing of Realmslore without any regard to profits—the staff of the Candlekeep Compendium. And it just so happens we’re looking for new blood. So if YOU or anyone else wants to write for the love of the setting, we’d love to have you. But WotC is a business with employees, and freelancers, and shareholders; individuals who all expect and deserve to be paid for their hard work.
That I understand. It's reasonable. But if TSR made sound business choices while keeping the game in its spirit and ideal, they would have achieved that perfect middle ground. Instead, TSR went to the extreme and now we have WotC going to the extreme but on the other side. There is a middle ground, but no business seems to want to achieve that. I know were I owner of the brand name, I'd want that. But then again, I'm more of an idealist than a business man so I wouldn't expect to make huge profits, but it wouldn't be what I want anyway. Just like no one truly owns a hobby shop for the sheer profits it brings in (which they really don't). They run it because they enjoy the atmosphere and other joys it brings. WotC, unfortunately, has the corporate mindset for our beloved game. Being owned by Hasbro makes it worse.
Also, I agree with your other point. I have always wanted to write something here for Candlekeep to share with everyone. I wanted to do a Realmslore material for the Expanded Psionics Handbook races like the Xeph, Dromite, Maenad and Half-Giant since I haven't seen one here done for that yet. When I get around to writing it, I'll definitely submit it. |
Edited by - Razz on 28 Apr 2008 23:42:00 |
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