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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 10:11:05
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Hi Fellow Scribes,
hoping thaht that question is not so stupid thaht I think and that it has not been asked before.
But I have doubts about the second one...
Ahem... In the first opus, Faiths & Avatars, some information appear and in the second one, Faiths and Pantheons, they are not quoted anymore.
I've no examples at the moment. I know, I should but I have not ! Because of the emotion I think ! 
I mean some priests daily habits are described in the first opus and are not in the recent one.
So the question is :
Does it mean These habits do not exist anymore ? Or is everything which is not contradicted in the second one always canon ?
As usual, I'm not sure my question is concise. But I'm sure you begin to be used about it... No ? 
Thanks a lot for clearing up...
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 11:37:46
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| The 3E book was a summation of the earlier trilogy of books. It did have some new lore, but they didn't have the page count to include all the stuff from the prior trilogy. So long as nothing from the earlier books is specifically contradicted, it's still canon. |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 12:09:41
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| Wooly is correct! New lore fill the space of the old lore. But if nothing is said about some specific type of lore (cleric prayer habits, by example), the old lore continues as the official canon. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 13:35:31
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The section in Faiths & Pantheons that details the places of worship is useful. And there's a degree of new lore in the write-ups, but it's information you'll have to search for. It's a worthwhile source, but on its own, it's not enough to use it as your primary deity reference, especially if you have access to the "Big Three" deity books of FR 2e.
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 14:21:20
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Much like the Grand History of the Realms, Faiths & Pantheon is essentially (i.e. 95% bar the stats bit) a Copy & Paste version of the Faiths & Avatars series. Much of what is to be found in F&P, even in the larger entries, has been cut in size. So unless you hunting for deity stats and a few updated informations (though there are hardly any of note - for the setting as such), go for F&A. The F&P PrC are decent enough, but still need errata and updating to 3,5E (6 years after appearing on the market).
If you want to spend your money on really good FR lore, get your hands on the F&A series or by the PDFs from Paizo et al. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 14:26:50
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| Without a doubt the original trilogy is an immense treasure trove of Realmslore, but don't discount some of the new nuggets of lore to be found within Faiths & Pantheons. My favorite being the lore on Tyr's Procession of Justice. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 15:09:43
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Murdane was also a new bit of lore intro'ed in F&P.
That said, I still vastly prefer the original deity books. There is just so much lore in there! |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 16:26:13
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Murdane was also a new bit of lore intro'ed in F&P.
Agreed, although I had no idea she first appeared in F&P. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 19:41:10
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Originally posted by The Sage
And there's a degree of new lore in the write-ups, but it's information you'll have to search for.
What are the write-ups ? the posts from creators or authors herein ?
Allright ! understood ! I will used the search tool quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
especially if you have access to the "Big Three" deity books of FR 2e.
Thanks a lot to you The Sage, I forgot the both other sources (Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities)
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Originally posted by Zanan
So unless you hunting for deity stats and a few updated informations (though there are hardly any of note - for the setting as such), go for F&A. The F&P PrC are decent enough, but still need errata and updating to 3,5E (6 years after appearing on the market).
I do not search data to roleplay. I just try to write complete texts about a few deities, with no mention to the game. |
"Today is a good day to smile",
Fillow Big'n'Book Mahlemiut 'Lead-dog', Son of Garl, Wanderer of the Masked Leaf and Namer of Oghma.
- Fight in the arena and have fun ! : La brute.com
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Caedwyr
Seeker
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 22:10:06
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Incidentally, what are the "Big Three" deity books of 2nd edition FR? I've got 6 books dealing with deities from 2nd edition and all have been useful at different times. Specifically, I have the following:
Demi-human Deities (FR)
Monster Mythology (FR)
Planescape on Hallowed Ground (Planescape, includes FR powers among others and shows which are Faerun specific and which are cross-sphere)
Faiths and Avatars (FR)
Legends and Lore (Some interesting detailed information on what the different power levels, formats for creating your own god, and details that can be used in Kara-Tur and the Utter East and areas with different pantheons on Toril)
Powers and Pantheons (FR) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 22:58:07
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Originally posted by Caedwyr
Incidentally, what are the "Big Three" deity books of 2nd edition FR? I've got 6 books dealing with deities from 2nd edition and all have been useful at different times. Specifically, I have the following:
Demi-human Deities (FR)
Monster Mythology (FR)
Planescape on Hallowed Ground (Planescape, includes FR powers among others and shows which are Faerun specific and which are cross-sphere)
Faiths and Avatars (FR)
Legends and Lore (Some interesting detailed information on what the different power levels, formats for creating your own god, and details that can be used in Kara-Tur and the Utter East and areas with different pantheons on Toril)
Powers and Pantheons (FR)
Demihuman Deities, Powers & Pantheons, and Faiths & Avatars are the FR deity trilogy. Those are the big three.
Monster Mythology and On Hallowed Ground are good sources, too, but neither one is FR-specific, unlike the deity trilogy. Monster Mythology was part of the DMGR reference series for DM's, and On Hallowed Ground was, as noted, a Planescape reference. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 02 Apr 2008 : 01:31:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Caedwyr
Incidentally, what are the "Big Three" deity books of 2nd edition FR? I've got 6 books dealing with deities from 2nd edition and all have been useful at different times. Specifically, I have the following:
Demi-human Deities (FR)
Monster Mythology (FR)
Planescape on Hallowed Ground (Planescape, includes FR powers among others and shows which are Faerun specific and which are cross-sphere)
Faiths and Avatars (FR)
Legends and Lore (Some interesting detailed information on what the different power levels, formats for creating your own god, and details that can be used in Kara-Tur and the Utter East and areas with different pantheons on Toril)
Powers and Pantheons (FR)
As Wooly said, Faiths & Avatars, it's companion Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities are usually considered the "Big Three" deity books for FR. I frequently include Monster Mythology in my campaigns and the PLANESCAPE On Hallowed Ground resource as well [making it the "Big Five" for me] at my FR gaming table. This is because there's lots of neat stuff and plenty of extra lore in those other two tomes that can be quite useful for heavily religious-themed adventures in the Realms. Plus, there some monstrous deities referenced in Monster Mythology that still haven't received any major updates in 3e -- so it's still the only source for those particular powers. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
1608 Posts |
Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 04:16:29
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Another question about Deities please.
In F&A, p.34, it is said that the gem which is on the top the Old Staff, Azuth's staff, is called The Spirit Stone.
In F&P, p.14, it is said the gem is called the Donjon of facets
Does anyone knows why this change happened ? Are there two names for the same gem ?
These both sourcebooks seem to be the only ones where the artefact is named.
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"Today is a good day to smile",
Fillow Big'n'Book Mahlemiut 'Lead-dog', Son of Garl, Wanderer of the Masked Leaf and Namer of Oghma.
- Fight in the arena and have fun ! : La brute.com
- Feel free to take part to these projects : Post-Spellplague bibliography ; 4E index project ; Taverns and inns of the Realms ; Dogs of the Realms ; Descriptions of places in the novels ; forums, RPG, FR Abbreviations and Acronyms
- Come and have a look at the already asked questions from the Forgotten Realms Trivia Challenge
I am a French FR fan, so please forgive my lapses in English language and do not hesitate to correct me. Thanks a lot. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 19:48:04
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Umm... I try to gather pantheons data into an only one text, getting information from different sourcebooks.
I 've just finished with Azuth and I'm now on Mystra's file !
So I still come back with my precedent question and another one... as a bonus !
1- In F&A, p.34, it is said that the gem which is on the top the Old Staff, Azuth's staff, is called The Spirit Stone.
In F&P, p.14, it is said the gem is called the Donjon of facets
Does anyone knows why this change happened ? Are there two names for the same gem ?
These both sourcebooks seem to be the only ones where the artefact is named.
2- In F&A, p.129, within the Mystra's description (in "The Church"), we can read :
"Only those clergy members who gain their spells directly from a higher power gain their spells directly from the goddess, but all are welcome within the church’s hierarchy. "
I also read the French translation and... I do not understand what it means !... Neither in French language ! really !
Thanks for helping. |
"Today is a good day to smile",
Fillow Big'n'Book Mahlemiut 'Lead-dog', Son of Garl, Wanderer of the Masked Leaf and Namer of Oghma.
- Fight in the arena and have fun ! : La brute.com
- Feel free to take part to these projects : Post-Spellplague bibliography ; 4E index project ; Taverns and inns of the Realms ; Dogs of the Realms ; Descriptions of places in the novels ; forums, RPG, FR Abbreviations and Acronyms
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I am a French FR fan, so please forgive my lapses in English language and do not hesitate to correct me. Thanks a lot. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 20:56:11
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I can't answer the first one, but I think I can help you with the second one. The key is a sentence a couple lines earlier, in the same paragraph:
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Clerics, specialty priests, wizards, and bards can all be found in its ranks without regard to experience level or origin.
What's being said is that there are a whole bunch of spellcasters in Mystra's clergy, and all are welcome. But only those who get their spells from a deity get their spells from her -- so wizards and bards don't get spells from Mystra, but priests would. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 21:15:07
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Mystra's clergy includes priests of Mystra ("those clergy members who gain their spells directly from a higher power"), mages and bards.
Of these, the priests "gain their spells directly from the goddess".
Nothing is said in those quotes about priests of gods other than Mystra. |
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 21:51:43
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Yep,
Mystra's priests get their spells from Mystra.
Other deities priests get their spells from their respective gods.
The same sort of idea holds in various churches in Faerun, most of them have people in their hierarchy that are not divine casters (though in some cases this is exceedingly rare). |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 23:32:58
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Eric Boyd is probably the best person to ask re. the two names for Azuth's gem, but I THINK I remember Ed saying "the Spirit Stone" is the name of this particular gem, and a "Donjon of facets" is WHAT it is (i.e. the type of magic item or artifact [analogy: my sword 'Foescorcher' [Spirit Stone] is a "2 Flametongue longsword" [Donjon of facets]).
As in, it can trap spirits of beings within its facets...
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 12:10:34
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Does anyone know if Eric Boyd still comes to the keep ?
I asked him the question about the name of Azuth's staff gem few days ago and I saw that he had not come to the forums since Sep 2007.
I still have questions about lore in the Faiths source books.
It deals with Auril.
It's about the congregation who takes place in the House of Auril's breath. the book says that few "1,600 priests gather around the fires for nightly fires and Ice rituals."
The Church of Auril really use Fire within his rituals ? I cannot understand why they use one of their enemy.
And I still have a small one :
Do we know something about the silver circlet that priests always wear on the head ?
Thanks for reading. |
"Today is a good day to smile",
Fillow Big'n'Book Mahlemiut 'Lead-dog', Son of Garl, Wanderer of the Masked Leaf and Namer of Oghma.
- Fight in the arena and have fun ! : La brute.com
- Feel free to take part to these projects : Post-Spellplague bibliography ; 4E index project ; Taverns and inns of the Realms ; Dogs of the Realms ; Descriptions of places in the novels ; forums, RPG, FR Abbreviations and Acronyms
- Come and have a look at the already asked questions from the Forgotten Realms Trivia Challenge
I am a French FR fan, so please forgive my lapses in English language and do not hesitate to correct me. Thanks a lot. |
Edited by - Fillow on 24 Apr 2008 12:11:27 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 20:35:15
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Thanks Great Sage.
I'll try it.
Aren't you tired to be thanked so many times a day ?
You know, I think that Rinonalyrna, Wooly and You should change your names for Ao, Oghma and Deneir ! Make your choice ! 
Euh... Something about that ? :
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still have questions about lore in the Faiths source books.
It deals with Auril.
It's about the congregation who takes place in the House of Auril's breath. the book says that few "1,600 priests gather around the fires for nightly fires and Ice rituals."
The Church of Auril really use Fire within his rituals ? I cannot understand why they use one of their enemy.
And I still have a small one :
Do we know something about the silver circlet that priests always wear on the head ?
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"Today is a good day to smile",
Fillow Big'n'Book Mahlemiut 'Lead-dog', Son of Garl, Wanderer of the Masked Leaf and Namer of Oghma.
- Fight in the arena and have fun ! : La brute.com
- Feel free to take part to these projects : Post-Spellplague bibliography ; 4E index project ; Taverns and inns of the Realms ; Dogs of the Realms ; Descriptions of places in the novels ; forums, RPG, FR Abbreviations and Acronyms
- Come and have a look at the already asked questions from the Forgotten Realms Trivia Challenge
I am a French FR fan, so please forgive my lapses in English language and do not hesitate to correct me. Thanks a lot. |
Edited by - Fillow on 24 Apr 2008 20:48:37 |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 20:49:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Fillow
Thanks Great Sage.
I'll try it.
Aren't you tired to be thanked so many times a day ?
You know, I think that Rinonalyrna, Wooly and You should change your names for Ao, Oghma and Deneir ! Make your choice !
Euh... Something about that ?
I'm flattered.
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Fillow
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 00:59:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Fillow
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'm flattered.
No no Milady.
I am !
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 02:10:10
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quote:
Originally posted by Fillow
Thanks Great Sage.
I'll try it.
Aren't you tired to be thanked so many times a day ?
Not so much. But I am tired of being called a "clumsy oaf" or a "silly old sage" by the Lady K.
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You know, I think that Rinonalyrna, Wooly and You should change your names for Ao, Oghma and Deneir ! Make your choice !
Rino as Ao? Whoa. I shudder to think what Candlekeep would be like with an all-seeing Rino. And I'd probably be Oghma, or evern Deneir. As for Wooly, why break with his trickster reputation? Make him Erevan. Or even Loki in the guise of a Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 02:19:39
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
As for Wooly, why break with his trickster reputation? Make him Erevan. Or even Loki in the guise of a Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen.
Loki's got bad PR on his side. My favorite Tricksters are Kokopelli and my patron saint*, Coyote. 
*Yes, I know Coyote isn't a patron saint. But I'm not Catholic, so I figure that balances out! |
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Fillow
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