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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 20:54:41
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Anyone else here this rumor that the geniuses at WoTC will only publish three books per setting then shelve the setting for the next. That is, after FR gets 3 books on 08, there will be no more supplements on the setting for the forseeable future as they will move to Eberron.
Anyone else believe this?
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 20:59:02
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I have seen it mentioned a few places. Seems logical if you nuke a world for being to detailed. But then again, what products do they need this new freedom for?
I would guess that more products are possible next year if the new Realms does sell. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 22:06:13
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I have no problem believing this, since several people at WOTC have pretty much said it. Also, it serves to keep the "real" fans of the setting interested in the D&D Insider, which will cost money, so that they can keep getting Realmslore articles, hoping that they will fill in the huge gaps that will likely exist . . .
And, not to sound too cynical, I'm betting the majority of the articles end up being monsters, paragon paths, epic destinies, and other rules heavy affairs that don't add much lore, because then they can use the circular logic that other people that don't like the Realms can still use the rules presented in the Realms articles.
Which is not to say that I don't think there will be some lore articles, just that by their own admission too much lore = bad. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 01:25:57
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| As I said of the WoTC Boards, if this true, they should come out and say "Long time Realms fans, sorry, but we just don't give a damn about you" |
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Chyron
Learned Scribe
Hong Kong
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 05:13:22
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Actually I think that was already implied given the dramatic time jump that the realms is taking (did they even ask the opinions of any fans about this move before they made the decision?).
To be honest, I think that if the setting gets shelved it may be better for it in the long run, as they can't do any more damage to it. If the online aspect does not do well, then perhaps WOTC will eventually tire of the property...and one day Master Greenwood can buy it back and create his own content and sell it over the web....
....well I can dream can't I?!? ;) |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 05:41:02
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Well, while I love the Forgotten Realms as is...I can see their point too:
"We didn't consult anyone before publishing the Realms the first time...not sure why everyone is so fired up and thinking we had to do it this time."
Back to my own thought on it: if they only publish three books for the Forgotten Realms, then I'll be truly sad to see so much of what I've grown to respect as the greatest campaign world ever go the way of the dinosaurs. |
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Edited by - Dalor Darden on 27 Apr 2008 05:41:44 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 06:05:31
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Well, while I love the Forgotten Realms as is...I can see their point too:
"We didn't consult anyone before publishing the Realms the first time...not sure why everyone is so fired up and thinking we had to do it this time."
There are three differences between this and when the Realms was published:
1) This time, there isn't someone working with Ed to get everything right;
2) This time, they are making sweeping changes to an existing property;
3) This time, there is an existing, well-established fanbase, with 20 years of material having been produced for that fanbase. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 14:46:24
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Well, while I love the Forgotten Realms as is...I can see their point too:
"We didn't consult anyone before publishing the Realms the first time...not sure why everyone is so fired up and thinking we had to do it this time."
There are three differences between this and when the Realms was published:
1) This time, there isn't someone working with Ed to get everything right;
2) This time, they are making sweeping changes to an existing property;
3) This time, there is an existing, well-established fanbase, with 20 years of material having been produced for that fanbase.
Oh, I agree completely...I'm just stating what they are saying in their office...
You know...that place high up on the hill in the highest tower in the uppermost level...
That place where they can't hear any of us...
EDIT NOTE: I just realized I seem to swing a bit on my opinions. It is, I think, because I don't mind so much a change in the game...but the vast changes to the Realms still really eat at me inside. I just can't get over it. I've even convinced others that this is just a new campaign world coming out...but maybe I haven't convinced ME! |
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Edited by - Dalor Darden on 27 Apr 2008 15:20:25 |
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Marc
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 15:38:54
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is there a possibility that they will license it out?
I don't have any hopes from the DDI with stuff like Zhent headless horsemen
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 17:33:15
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
is there a possibility that they will license it out?
I think they'd only license it out if someone offered them more money than they think'd they'd make themselves. And it's entirely possible that even if they decide to do this, the agreement would say something like "you can not change the setting in these specific ways; you can only move the timeline forward from where it exists right now, without changing the past; and whatever you do, we reserve the right to change/veto/ignore when the rights revert back to us."
I realize most people hate what's going on with the Sellplague, and all of us, myself included, have thought of ways to force the published setting to move in another direction. But as much as we dislike it, we need to realize: it's happening, and there's pretty much nothing we can do about except for hope they realize they've made a mistake and roll it back when 5E comes out*.
*Which will likely be only a few years away, considering how they did 3.x.  |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 18:59:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I realize most people hate what's going on with the Sellplague, and all of us, myself included, have thought of ways to force the published setting to move in another direction. But as much as we dislike it, we need to realize: it's happening, and there's pretty much nothing we can do about except for hope they realize they've made a mistake and roll it back when 5E comes out*.
*Which will likely be only a few years away, considering how they did 3.x.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 19:19:40
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
I'm routing for a DC-ish retcon
Would that involve the Anti-Ao trying to destroy the D&D worlds? 
(You know, making the Ao analogy was a lot easier than trying to come up with an Alex Luthor/Superboy Prime analogy for the Realms . . . ) |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 20:30:40
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Yes only three books are enough i think to describe the end of Wizards of the Coast with the Forgotten realms!!
Remember these words of mine: These books will be collectible in several years when will be banned by ED Greenwood!!!!!!!!! |
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HE DECAPITATES!!!
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 23:51:52
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Originally posted by Jorkens
I have seen it mentioned a few places. Seems logical if you nuke a world for being to detailed. But then again, what products do they need this new freedom for?
Novels.
I think that's what it really all comes down to. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 23:54:27
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Originally posted by Chyron
Actually I think that was already implied given the dramatic time jump that the realms is taking (did they even ask the opinions of any fans about this move before they made the decision?).
WotC claims to have research/statistics that supports their decision to drastically change the setting. Unfortunately, they aren't about to tell us what research that might be. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 23:56:04
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Well, while I love the Forgotten Realms as is...I can see their point too:
"We didn't consult anyone before publishing the Realms the first time...not sure why everyone is so fired up and thinking we had to do it this time."
There are three differences between this and when the Realms was published:
1) This time, there isn't someone working with Ed to get everything right;
2) This time, they are making sweeping changes to an existing property;
3) This time, there is an existing, well-established fanbase, with 20 years of material having been produced for that fanbase.
Exactly! The quoted statement is pretty, well, stupid! |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 03:47:21
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Well, while I love the Forgotten Realms as is...I can see their point too:
"We didn't consult anyone before publishing the Realms the first time...not sure why everyone is so fired up and thinking we had to do it this time."
There are three differences between this and when the Realms was published:
1) This time, there isn't someone working with Ed to get everything right;
2) This time, they are making sweeping changes to an existing property;
3) This time, there is an existing, well-established fanbase, with 20 years of material having been produced for that fanbase.
Exactly! The quoted statement is pretty, well, stupid!
LOL...that was just me making up a quote...it is the only thing I could think of that they could POSSIBLY be thinking!
The bottom line for me is this: they want the World of Warcraft/MMO crowd...end of story. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 03:59:30
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
bottom line for me is this: they want the World of Warcraft/MMO crowd...end of story.
They can have them. Its time for me to bale |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 15:59:17
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| Yup - they're fishing for people who won't play it anyways cause they are busy on WOW |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 15 May 2008 : 14:12:28
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Considering that Ed is writing for Paizo now, and Monte Cook has now announced having his own product line become coutermonious with Paizo's 3e, along with several other notables of past TSR fame being part of paizo's staff designing their world Galorian, I think Paizo has actually become the real Successor to TSR, not WotC/Hasbro.
Hopefully, when 4e tanks, Paizo will be there to buy the wreckage from a disgusted Hasbro and fix it. 
And the truth is, it will be TWO setting books and one adventure, and I'm pretty sure the adventure will be generic enough to be plunked down in any setting, so I don't really count that. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2008 : 15:35:15
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Originally posted by Markustay
Considering that Ed is writing for Paizo now, and Monte Cook has now announced having his own product line become coutermonious with Paizo's 3e, along with several other notables of past TSR fame being part of paizo's staff designing their world Galorian, I think Paizo has actually become the real Successor to TSR, not WotC/Hasbro.
Hopefully, when 4e tanks, Paizo will be there to buy the wreckage from a disgusted Hasbro and fix it.
And the truth is, it will be TWO setting books and one adventure, and I'm pretty sure the adventure will be generic enough to be plunked down in any setting, so I don't really count that.
I am not sure 4E will tank, but I am fairly confident that 4e realms will |
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