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Mace Hammerhand
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 Posted - 29 Feb 2008 : 21:51:01
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| I appreciate Brian's effort, but as I'm really dead set on not going the Sellplague way and (being a cynic when I'm not sarcastic) his efforts (and those of everyone else who tries to make at least a bit of sense of the nonsense) is akin to being told there is a bright side to losing a leg... doesn't make the "pain" any better |
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 29 Feb 2008 : 22:43:14
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
I appreciate Brian's effort, but as I'm really dead set on not going the Sellplague way and (being a cynic when I'm not sarcastic) his efforts (and those of everyone else who tries to make at least a bit of sense of the nonsense) is akin to being told there is a bright side to losing a leg... doesn't make the "pain" any better
True, but it's pretty frickin awesome to see Brian shine.  |
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
252 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2008 : 01:17:02
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Originally posted by crazedventurers
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Originally, Lurue WAS magic—before Julia Martin added the name “Weave” to my GenCon explanations of ‘the great web of magic that’s everywhere in Toril, binds Toril together, and IS Toril,’ Lurue was the embodiment of the Weave. To the usual chorus of “Look, yet another all-powerful Greenwood munchkin!” I reply: Yes. Of course. This is THE all-powerful goddess, and she’s also whimsical.
The TSR designers quite rightly wanted human gods to be front and center and of the greatest power and importance, so Mystra (most important to intelligent creatures trying to USE magic) became also the Guardian or Mother of the Weave, and Lurue sort of . . . danced sideways.
VERY interesting, I seemed to have missed this first time around.
Just wondering if Lurue is in 4E and what her status is? who knows, maybe the designers might be going back to how Ed initially invisiged Lurue as 'MAGIC'? (one can hope that their might be one Deity left who's portfolio is magic perhaps? )
Cheers
Damian
I asked Ed a couple of months ago about Lurue and her status with regard to the no-Weave situation (if she is the embodiment of the weave, with no Weave, no Lurue). He never replied. Not even to say it was NDA'd. I don't have high hopes for her survival. |
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chance87
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Posted - 01 Mar 2008 : 02:31:55
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Originally posted by ShadezofDis
It's pretty incredible how different various people view Nobanion, I certainly never saw him as a paladin type deity (barring Wemics and I'd really rather have a Wemic Pantheon than have them worship a human deity) but I can see where you're coming from (though I totally disagree with him being more paladinesque than Tyr or Torm *g*)
As for the second part, Mercy is the most important part of the Triad. Especially because there is such a militant side.
I think this line from Powers and Pantheons really defined my view of Nobanion:
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"Nobanion also gets along well with Torm and Tyr and sees himself as trying to emulate among beasts what they strive for among humans;"
I sometimes see Tyr as being the stiff-necked and unbending avatar of Justice and Law - something that drew some criticism when Dream Spheres was published. Torm seems to embody a better balance between Law and Good, but the single-minded emphasis on Duty always put him in the shadow of Helm, in my mind.
Not that I ever considered Nobanion to be the epitome of paladinhood; I saw him as noble and just, but constantly striving against the bestial side of his nature.
To direct this back on topic, I'm hoping that the next revision of Nobanion we see draws him as more than a Hierophant with a lion fetish. I'm afraid so many designers and authors have "handled" the major dieties that the feel that Ed, Eric, and Julia tried to impart has been lost; the "less kewl" dieties, like Nobanion, Lurue, and Shialla, will either face the axe, or re-imagined, and lose their unique flavor. |
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Stonwulfe
Seeker
Canada
81 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2008 : 20:43:57
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| With the nerf- err... turfing... of druids, rangers, and monks in 4e, what's happening to Silvanus' Exarchs if noone woships nature? |
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Stonwulfe
Seeker
Canada
81 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2008 : 20:59:07
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2008 : 02:30:09
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
I appreciate Brian's effort, but as I'm really dead set on not going the Sellplague way and (being a cynic when I'm not sarcastic) his efforts (and those of everyone else who tries to make at least a bit of sense of the nonsense) is akin to being told there is a bright side to losing a leg... doesn't make the "pain" any better
I have to agree. I appreciate Brian's effort (and yes, the writing is fine, no question about that), but I can't honestly say I didn't feel upset when I read this piece. I wouldn't call it being "slapped in the face", per se (I'm a bit beyond that point, by now, I think?), but silly as it might sound, I was literally shaking when I read it. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Mar 2008 : 02:31:28
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Originally posted by Mkhaiwati
I asked Ed a couple of months ago about Lurue and her status with regard to the no-Weave situation (if she is the embodiment of the weave, with no Weave, no Lurue). He never replied. Not even to say it was NDA'd. I don't have high hopes for her survival.
That might have just been because he didn't get to the question yet. As far as I know, Ed never outright snubs any question. |
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
252 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2008 : 06:02:53
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Mkhaiwati
I asked Ed a couple of months ago about Lurue and her status with regard to the no-Weave situation (if she is the embodiment of the weave, with no Weave, no Lurue). He never replied. Not even to say it was NDA'd. I don't have high hopes for her survival.
That might have just been because he didn't get to the question yet. As far as I know, Ed never outright snubs any question.
True. But.... I have a bad feeling about this.
Okay, I admit, this is the pessimist in me coming out. |
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eiglos
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Mar 2008 : 12:13:55
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I too fear for Lurue and all the other lesser deities of the Realms. I do hold out some hope for Lurue though as in one of the "Countdown to the Realms" articles there was mention of Luruar as in the original name of Silverymoon, the alliance not the city.
I will be interested to learn of the eventual fate (or otherwise) of these deities. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 02 Mar 2008 : 15:10:05
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Originally posted by eiglos
I too fear for Lurue and all the other lesser deities of the Realms. I do hold out some hope for Lurue though as in one of the "Countdown to the Realms" articles there was mention of Luruar as in the original name of Silverymoon, the alliance not the city.
I will be interested to learn of the eventual fate (or otherwise) of these deities.
Me, too. Lurue is my fave deity in the Realms, and the Luruar bit is the only hope I have that she'll still be around as a deity. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 02:38:13
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They sent Lurue off to the Glue factory...
They need something to hold this mess together. |
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chance87
Seeker
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 03:04:28
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Is it merely coincidence that your latest work is Gulthmere?
Looks great, BTW.
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Originally posted by Markustay
They sent Lurue off to the Glue factory...
They need something to hold this mess together.
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 03:33:33
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lurue is my favorite non-evil deity also so i hope she survives in some form
mote – noun - a small particle or speck, esp. of dust.
hmm, so these motes from the sidebar are supposed to ADD to the indescribabilitynesslier of the new-fangled realms
well congratulations, i can now say that a swath of land floating on a speck of dust is surely now indescribable
i'm sorry brian, but i cannot get over the very first part about lands and peoples being sucked into these new realms
genasi aliens and dragonborn aliens are the stupidest things WotC has come up with so far
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 04:01:14
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Originally posted by coach
lurue is my favorite non-evil deity also so i hope she survives in some form
mote – noun - a small particle or speck, esp. of dust.
hmm, so these motes from the sidebar are supposed to ADD to the indescribabilitynesslier of the new-fangled realms
well congratulations, i can now say that a swath of land floating on a speck of dust is surely now indescribable
i'm sorry brian, but i cannot get over the very first part about lands and peoples being sucked into these new realms
genasi aliens and dragonborn aliens are the stupidest things WotC has come up with so far
Genasi were already in the Realms, just not as a nation. I even made one a Lord of Waterdeep, in the Candlekeep Compendium, Volume VI - July 2006.
I hate the floating mote idea for the simple fact that it's something that often pops up in console-based fantasy video games. They will make me think of those games, not the Realms. I mean, I know we've already got a couple of oddball floating rocks in the Realms, but those are isolated cases. And having that concept limited to isolated cases makes them work. Making them more common just doesn't work for me.
And I certainly don't want to imply that I'm blaming Brian for any of this. Trying to put a good spin on bad stuff is tough enough without getting dumped on for it. |
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
252 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 05:53:35
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Originally posted by Markustay
They sent Lurue off to the Glue factory...
They need something to hold this mess together.
You are a very sick man. And coming from me, that IS saying something.
But it was funny! |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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2131 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 16:17:44
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Originally posted by ShadezofDis
As for the second part, Mercy is the most important part of the Triad. Especially because there is such a militant side.
So militant, that he stuck a sword through Helm! (sorry, I couldn't help myself  ) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 17:24:47
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Don't know if I mentioned this before, but I'm not surprised about the motes thing because they were mentioned in Worlds and Monsters, and one of the 4E "design conceits" is to make the world more "fantastic", with more floating islands, weird structures in the middle of nowhere, etc.
However, I also said that I was happy with the Realms the way it was before. |
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 17:30:57
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by ShadezofDis
As for the second part, Mercy is the most important part of the Triad. Especially because there is such a militant side.
So militant, that he stuck a sword through Helm! (sorry, I couldn't help myself )
Booooo!
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 17:35:11
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Originally posted by coach
lurue is my favorite non-evil deity also so i hope she survives in some form
mote – noun - a small particle or speck, esp. of dust.
hmm, so these motes from the sidebar are supposed to ADD to the indescribabilitynesslier of the new-fangled realms
well congratulations, i can now say that a swath of land floating on a speck of dust is surely now indescribable
i'm sorry brian, but i cannot get over the very first part about lands and peoples being sucked into these new realms
genasi aliens and dragonborn aliens are the stupidest things WotC has come up with so far
Orcs are aliens in the Forgotten Realms.
The Mulan are aliens in the Forgotten Realms.
Elves and Dwarves are aliens in the Forgotten Realms.
Giants are aliens in the Forgotten Realms.
Tyr is an Alien God in the Realms.
So is the entire Mulhorandi Pantheon...
Lots of aliens in the Forgotten Realms...very few natives (except humans...and a goodly number of THEM are from other worlds!) left in the place!
I agree with you on the "motes" though...and Wooly too...they just don't feel right to me.
I can appreciate a more fantastic feel in the Realms I suppose, I mean it IS a world of magic after all...and the Netherese used to have some pretty darned big "motes" at one time. Like Wooly said though...the rare times such things are found makes them much more unique.
As I said some time ago to my players "Hey guys, a new campaign world, also called "The Forgotten Realms" is coming out...you guys wanna try it?"
It just isn't the same Realms any more. So I'm willing to keep running in the "old" Realms or this new one depending on my gamers. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 20:38:17
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Originally posted by dalor_darden
Orcs are aliens in the Forgotten Realms.
I believe that it was stated that only Gray (or is it Grey) orcs are aliens.
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Originally posted by dalor_darden
The Mulan are aliens in the Forgotten Realms.
No contention here.
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Originally posted by dalor_darden
Elves and Dwarves are aliens in the Forgotten Realms.
Once again, I think that it has been stated that only Sun and Moon elves are not native. Also, I think it is in the 3e FRCS that it is stated that dwarves may or may not be native (no one knows for sure).
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Originally posted by dalor_darden
Giants are aliens in the Forgotten Realms.
I know that at least some giants are native, the is a short story in one of the "Realms of..." compilations about the god and goddess that gave birth to them. Also, isn't the Great Glacier the sleeping or dead body of a native Realmsian giant deity?
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Originally posted by dalor_darden
Tyr is an Alien God in the Realms.
Once again, no contention. (I personally never really liked Tyr, and am not sad to see him go.)
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Originally posted by dalor_darden
So is the entire Mulhorandi Pantheon...
And once again, no contention (especially considering that they are the original pantheon of the Mulan mentioned above).
Please, those who are more knowledgeable, correct me if I am wrong. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 20:47:02
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Frankly, I've never had any problem with the "interloper" deities, as they, to me, are part of the Realms I grew to love over the past decade. Removing stuff that has been around for ever, at least to me and everybody who did not know the Realms before they became TSR/WotC property (which is probably everyone except those who played with Ed before official publication), so taking that out because it is too difficult/complex for new players and/or writers/designers is a very very very weak excuse.
If WotC were to do a realistic medieval RPG they could not say: "Oh, all those petty barons and stuff in Europe who make things so...complex...need to go away so our new readers will 'get' medieval Europe better, and our new writers/designers don't have to fuss over all this bs history between feuding lords etc."
Cuz this is what they are saying and doing.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 02:24:36
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Originally posted by chance87
Is it merely coincidence that your latest work is Gulthmere?
Looks great, BTW.
That was just a quick post so I could ask Brian a question about weather anything happens to Ilimar's Northern Portal located in the Gulthmere.
It was just a slice of my ever-expanding, never-ending World Map. That particular piece was barely modified from the original though (the official FR worldmap downloadable from WotC) - all I did was tack on a couple of missing towns, Ilimar, and the two time portals (the one from Brian's article, and the one from the Perilous Gateways article, which just happen to be very damn close to each other). Also the Volcano (Mt. Andrus), because that is where Brian's portal lies.
I often post pieces of the main map as a reference in a thread, but I usually use Photobucket for that - sorry for the confusion. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 14:47:53
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| Heya Markus. There is no mention of Ilimar's portal, so I'd just say that its fate has yet to be determined. Yeah, I intentionally didn't use the portal from Perilous Gateways (as it is way too restrictive). So I used the one mentioned in Cormanthyr instead. It is curious why there would be multiple time gates in close proximity. Some temporal confluence in the region perhaps? |
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 15:22:37
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Ooohhhh, I totally thought you were using the Perilous Gateways one.
Heh, and I'd thought it was in the Vilhon Reach Boxed set to boot. I think I might need to sleep more. ;)
Anyhow, all I can assume is that there is some sort of temporal properties that make these portals easier to establish in that region. Some sort of deific or creator race jam seems the most reasonable.
I haven't finished reading up on the timegate from Cormanthyr but is there anything specific about that gate being different from the one from Perilous Gateways? Previous to your article that is. :) |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 16:56:56
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
As I was looking at the 4E FR characters from D&D Experience, I noticed that Erais the Sunlord was a cleric *Amaunator*.
Here's the link to the character sheet:
Annoyingly big link!
Mod edit: Recoded the link, since it was stretching the page.
I also noted that on that sheet, it says "Unaligned" -- and there's no other mention of alignment. I hope that alignment hasn't been chucked because of the people that can't figure out that "This is a guideline" means that it's a guideline. 
It seems that you've only got three alignments in 4E: Good, Unaligned and Evil. Unaligned is apparently more or less equivalent to True Neutral. However, someone also spotted at D&D XP that Gnolls in 4E MM were Chaotic Evil, so it may very well be that the alignment system is going to stay as it is? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 18:47:00
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| At this point, who knows? Thanks for the information, too. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 20:24:57
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Thanks, as always, for the timely response Brian.
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Heya Markus. There is no mention of Ilimar's portal, so I'd just say that its fate has yet to be determined. Yeah, I intentionally didn't use the portal from Perilous Gateways (as it is way too restrictive). So I used the one mentioned in Cormanthyr instead. It is curious why there would be multiple time gates in close proximity. Some temporal confluence in the region perhaps?
I did a little bit of 'homebrew' in order to combine the portals, in case anyone feels they should have been one and the same. The text that comes with the Gateways article just says its SE of Ironfamng, so it could very well be the same one. From my post at WotC -
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Originally posted by MarkusTay63 at WotC
Lore Fix -
The Portal used by the Imperial Society for Historical Study IS the same portal. The map location is in corrrrect - the text merely indicates it is SW of Ironfang Keep - precisely the direction Mt. Andlath is from the keep. The society obviously fabricated the story of the gate's creation, in order to 'legitimize' their claim over it.
Unfortunely, the text in Cormathyr (thanks for that ;)) says it is protected by Mystryl (and later Mytsra's) magic from the enormous heat of the volcano - which puts a big, fat hole in the assumption that it can be used post-Spellplague.
Second suggestion: The caves leading to the timegate travelled through immensely hot, un-survivable regions that required magic to mitigate the effects. However, the Historical Society has built their monastery a few miles away, and created their own set of tunnels leading to the gate, which is in a much less heated cavern then the rest. They of course did this to further their desires to claim it as their own. The fact that the original caves are no longer traversible has made the ISfHS VERY happy, indeed.
Add to my above assumptions:
Since 1385 DR, a mysterious figure has taken over the leadership of the Imperial Society for Historical Study. No one knows for sure who he is, but he has been accepted by the historian-monks as their leader. He always wears a hood, but the few who have caught a glimpse under the hood have made out terrible scarring on his face. Anyhow, he has opened up the portal to those wishing to 'skip ahead' to after the Spellplague, at the price of 10,000 GP a head! However, he has waved the 'entrance fee' in special circumstances, and has even refused to allow certain personages to pass through at any price!
Does that work for everyone? :)
Thats it... not canon, but now I've linked them and no gods are involved anymore.
Also, Brian has answered me at WotC, and he says the Portal is still protected by another god who has the Time Portfolio, so that is the CANON answer.
Thanks again, Brian.
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BlackAce
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Mar 2008 : 19:00:58
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Yes, the Emerald Enclave (and the aforementioned Shadowmoon Crystalembers) is nothing new!
All "new" ideas for 4E that I like (motes flying in the air--and again, these were mentioned in Worlds in Monsters, so it's not really a surprise) I could just use in a different setting. Heck, I would say that stuff like motes have always been in the Realms, it's just that now there are lots more of them to make the feel of fantasy more pervasive.
However, as I said before I was already satifised with the tone of the Realms, I didn't need for it to be changed like this.
Thinking pretty much the same thing. (Nice ideas but if I ever use them it would be by hacking out of the realms and in a homebrew setting)
It's a great article, Brian but you still haven't sold me. In fact the changes actually evolve the setting away from one I'd want to play in. |
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Thente Thunderspells
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 18:39:28
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Dang it... time limit on the reply page...
I have been absent from WotC updates since I heard the news about 4E last year, but then I saw something about the death of Mystra and that forced me to read about how they are wrecking the realms, so I've just now caught up with the fact that as Wooly says, they have Shattered the Realms. I was reading through this article to get the sidebar on Nobanion (removed before I got there) when I noticed this sentence:
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...Priests dedicated to the new Goddess of Magic cleansed the land of the fetid pits in later years...
I would say that Corellon isn't going to be the new Goddess of Magic anytime soon. Maybe Selune/Sehaine? Perhaps Lurue gets the portfolio back now that it is back to the raw permeation of magic in the Realms?
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Spellplague: The Wailing Years
