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Mace Hammerhand
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 Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 15:10:21
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
It's the Forgotten Realms minus the Shining South and Maztica.
I thought the Shining South was an important part of the Realms. Also, you can't argue that partially draining the Inner Sea isn't going to change things in the Heartlands of Faerun.
Maztica, I could really take or leave, but I'm just not an advocate of excising entire continents so gracelessly.
A couple of harbor towns in Sembia and Cormyr will be more like "Yea, there was an ocean there, and we had a couple of merfolk and such seeking shelter in our pools, but now there's just this big-arse hole" |
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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 15:13:15
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Wouldn't it be cool, if water would be scarce now in the Inner Not-Sea area and people would have to cross the Shoals of Thirst to... no wait, that's already been done in Anauroch...
Maybe we'll have a themepark in Shadowdale called Realmsyland where you can see stuff that now is gone and go all "ooh" and "ahh"? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 15:16:59
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Originally posted by SiCK_Boy
Last thing that's getting more and more on my nerves about the whole thing... The changes being made, from an "in world" perspective, aren't even the result of the world's inhabitant... it makes it so that people don't have a grasp nor the control on their own world... I was thinking back about Middle Earth and the world of Tolkien... it's a world that suffered the same kind of cataclysm with the sinking of numenor... but at least, even if the event was godlike in origin, it was a reaction to men's actions and free-will... while the fate of Faerun just changed radically, by no will nor act of men (unless they release hidden information about the events leading to the death of Mystra and the unleashing of the Spellplague)
That's one of the things that bothers me, too. The general vibe of the Spellplague is that it was just a massive, planet-changing event that no one could have helped (it was set into motion by two or more gods). It's true that the Realms are supposed to change, but most of the organic setting changes happen when the creatures of the planet set out to leave their mark, and most of those changes aren't so massive. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 15:18:38
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Originally posted by The Sage
It's the use of the word "transposed" that got me thinking. The passage could suggest that parts of Abeir were transposed with parts on Toril...
Hmm, you're right. Thanks for pointing that out. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 15:19:06
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| If we view the "mark" as something a dog or cat leaves, one can say that some deities who still exist left their "marks" all over the Realms...pretty sh**ty |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 15:19:55
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
A couple of harbor towns in Sembia and Cormyr will be more like "Yea, there was an ocean there, and we had a couple of merfolk and such seeking shelter in our pools, but now there's just this big-arse hole"
Indeed, I was thinking that a lot of those undersea kingdoms would be negatively affected. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 15:23:26
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Indeed, I was thinking that a lot of those undersea kingdoms would be negatively affected.
being affected negatively would be something like an oil-plague or so, you make it sound so polite...I' have said "they're so screwed"
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Zanan
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 15:23:35
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Effect on Spellcasters
Many creatures that learned to cast spells and channel magic with Mystra’s Weave found themselves powerless in the Spellplague’s wake. Some never regained their power. Others worked to attune themselves to the new magical environment. Many required years to regain this facility, while others never regained the knack. Others took shortcuts to reaquire the power they’d lost, swearing questionable pacts to enigmatic beings in return for the ability to utilize arcane powers.
Essentially, to a highly magical realm, this means "stone age". It is of course "cheap" - if I may say so - that the Wizards skipped this whole refounding time. For it most surely was a "field day ... nay century" for warlords building their might on martial power - races like orcs spring to mind. This and some other stuff also essentially spells an end to most of the subterran drow cities too, bereft of magic you would expect them to decent into chaos (again ), fell to the Underdark horrors (those who did not need magic) and all ... of course, there will enough about to make the drow & Lolth bit we got so far sensible. Of course, it's not that the drow DMs and players (and I mean drow players, not the Drizzt-fan brigade) have been "dragged" through 8 novels already ... with no certain end product in sight. Well well.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 15:44:48
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Indeed, I was thinking that a lot of those undersea kingdoms would be negatively affected.
being affected negatively would be something like an oil-plague or so, you make it sound so polite...
Heh, maybe. |
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Drunken Master
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 16:05:33
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I rolling with it – I think this could be cool. The Realms has always been a place of cataclysmic upheaval. Is the Spellplague really any different than when the world was altered by the Sundering? Or when the sarrukh altered the landscape and the Underdark in their war against the phaerimm many millennia ago? Or when the entire empire of Jhaamdath was destroyed by a huge tidal wave? Or when Karsus killed Mystra and destroyed the entire empire of Netheril in seconds?
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
The merging of Abeir and Toril will no doubt explain the emergence of tieflings as a true-breeding race, and we already know it introduces the dragonborn of Tymanther. They have 100 years to assimilate into society, so I don't think their inclusion is too far-fetched. I'm sure the orcs did just fine in that span of time when they were brought to Faerun via portals from orc-world. Toril is littered with interloper races: the Mulhorandi people (and their dieties), mind flayers, kaorti, orcs, sun & moon elves, dwarves, malaugrym...
And as a side note, I never cared much for Maztica. I'd like to see Zhakara still around, though.
If the Old Grey Box had set the Realms in -245 DR, and my campaign was set in Jhaamdath, and 10 years later that empire was destroyed... well, I would use that element in my ongoing story, set up shop in a new area such as Thay or Cormyr, and keep having fun in a dynamic, ever-changing (sometimes drastically so!) shared world. This Spellplague, to me, is no different.
Of course, do what you gotta do for your campaign and your own personal enjoyment. There's a lot of naysaying going on across all the D&D-related boards, and I feel the need to pipe up for the other side from time to time. Time could make a fool of me, but I trust these guys, and Ed's still on board to help guide the ship.
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Hawkins
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 17:23:10
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
It's the Forgotten Realms minus the Shining South and Maztica.
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Effects on the Landscape
Where magic was completely loosed, the Spellplague ate through stone and earth as readily as bone and spell. Broad portions of Faerûn’s surface collapsed into the Underdark, partially draining the Sea of Fallen Stars into the Glimmer Sea far below (and leaving behind a continent-sized pit called the Underchasm). The event splintered several of the Old Empires south of the drained sea into a wildscape of towering mesas, bottomless ravines, and cloud-scraping spires (further erasing evidence of the lands and kingdoms once situated there). Historical lands most changed by the Spellplague include Mulhorand, Unther, Chondath, and portions of Aglarond, the Sea of Fallen Stars, and the Shaar. What was once called Halruaa detonated and was destroyed when every inscribed and prepared spell in the nation went off simultaneously. This explosion was partly to blame for destroying the land bridge between Chult and the Shining South—only a scattered archipelago remains.
[rant]That describes many more places than just Halruaa and Maztica. And though I like Maztica, I really like Halruaa after reading Elaine's novels. I think that they should have left alone places that have been covered in detail by the novels at least. There are several people who read just the novels (though I can no longer count myself amongst that number), and at least they would only have been affected mildly by the Spellplague and the time jump if the Realms covered in novels had been unaffected. I personally, having started in the novels, and then begun the purchasing of the 3.x books, still feel quite attached to the Realms that I have read about more-so than the ones that I have not. I just keep getting the feeling that they did not put much logical thought into the "new" Realms, and that it would have been better if they had just laid the Realms to rest and started a new campaign setting (or, at the very least, screwed up Eberron first ). Basically, the places that I see most radically changed (or gone) are the ones the designers themselves had grudges against, not necessarily the players. Also, the blame is in part TSRs, because if they had tried to "Realms-ify" the parts (cultures and deities) of Toril that were stolen from the RW instead of making them just like the RW, then WotC (at least hypothetically) would not have felt the need to "nuke" them. Also, I still dislike Chris Perkins pretty much over-all insensitivity toward the Realms "Old Guard" in the posts/blogs/interviews in which he has covered some of the changes to the Realms. He has outright said that he, not Rich, is the person that should be blamed.[/rant] |
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Zanan
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 18:14:07
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Historical lands most changed by the Spellplague include Mulhorand, Unther, Chondath, and portions of Aglarond, the Sea of Fallen Stars, and the Shaar.
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Mkhaiwati
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 18:15:22
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yep, Old Empires is gone, too. I had always hoped in 3e or a 4e that the current plots involved there, which cropped in all those books lately (Powers, Dragons, etc) would get a good resolution and have a good write-up like Krash did for the Hordelands. After the Grand History came out, I kinda knew that wouldn't happen.
So, let me get this straight, In 2e, they tacked on RW equivalents with Old EMpires, Maztica, and so on. Now, they replace them with material to support the current ruleset. What happens to those same places in 5e or 6e, just switch the same them, again? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 18:25:35
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Originally posted by Mkhaiwati
So, let me get this straight, In 2e, they tacked on RW equivalents with Old EMpires, Maztica, and so on. Now, they replace them with material to support the current ruleset. What happens to those same places in 5e or 6e, just switch the same them, again?
Oh, no, we're stuck with this. After all, 4E is so kewl and rocks so much that there could never be anything greater! |
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Apex
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 18:32:14
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| I am so glad I never switched to the new "fad" editions. I began playing literally at the dawn of second edition (My PHB was first print and I remember all the 1st ed stuff on the store shelves still) and stuck with it (I think it is by far the best version of D&D). We shall have to see, but I am guessing that 4th ed will be even less in the spirit of Gary's D&D than 3.5 was. On a side note, Old Empires was in 1st edition, not second. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 18:32:20
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4th Edition is going to be living rules, every other source book released will be part of core rules.
Therefore there will never be a need for a 5th Edition.
Of course when PHB5, DMG5 and MM10 (we tend to get more of them) are released what was in the PHB, DMG and MM might be totally superceded, but do not worry they promised us this will be the last Edition of D&D. |
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 18:55:10
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Maztica is toast? Interesting...
"Across the Trackless Sea, and entire continent of the lost realm reappeared (called Returned Abeir) subsuming the continent of Maztica"
Am assuming this was the new continent that Ed is writing for the FRCG that THO alluded to in another thread? (though darned if I can find it!)
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 19:02:29
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
[A couple of harbor towns in Sembia and Cormyr will be more like "Yea, there was an ocean there, and we had a couple of merfolk and such seeking shelter in our pools, but now there's just this big-arse hole"
and a completely different weather system operating in all the lands around the now drained SoFS - am wondering if they have bothered to think about this?
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So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 19:21:57
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Originally posted by crazedventurers
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
[A couple of harbor towns in Sembia and Cormyr will be more like "Yea, there was an ocean there, and we had a couple of merfolk and such seeking shelter in our pools, but now there's just this big-arse hole"
and a completely different weather system operating in all the lands around the now drained SoFS - am wondering if they have bothered to think about this?
The effects on weather and trade (both the loss of seaborne trade and the loss of domestic goods due to climate shifts) made me wonder the same thing. Not only that, but I really like Myth Nantar and the rest of Serôs, so them being nuked is not a happy thought for me. |
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 20:15:25
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Mkhaiwati
So, let me get this straight, In 2e, they tacked on RW equivalents with Old EMpires, Maztica, and so on. Now, they replace them with material to support the current ruleset. What happens to those same places in 5e or 6e, just switch the same them, again?
Oh, no, we're stuck with this. After all, 4E is so kewl and rocks so much that there could never be anything greater!
slightly off topic, I understand that in the Mournlands...errr the spellplagued lands, there have been sights of large, giant blue hamsters... |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 20:30:21
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I'm sure NONE of the RW socio-political, geological, or atmospheric sciences will be applied to the Realms - they appear to have taken the 'Sledge-hammer' approach to game design. 
First, I'd just like to say that a small part of me is overjoyed... now before you all go grabbing your pitchforks and torches, its not because I like the new setting. Basically, nearly everything I've predicted in the last five months about FR has come true. The only major difference is that instead of using an "Un-Sundering" to change the maps, they put a big crack in the world. Hmmmm... what does FR look like now, let me think... what else has a big crack in it, and smells really bad.?
And since we don't know everything, and they did mention that time was indeed affected, I may still see my 'Un-Sundering' come to pass... I was dead-on about Abeir, after all. Also, they haven't talked about Evermeet, so we will see how far off I was come August.
I also said about two weeks ago Maztica would be gone in 4e, and that Chult would break off and float away... sometimes I hate being right all the time.
Rather then repeat what I said over at the WotC boards today, I'll just quote myself for those of you who do not go there -
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Originally posted by MarkusTay63
They took back the rights to Spelljammer in order to use some of it with the new Astral, and they took back the rights to Ravenloft in order to incorporate some of it into the Shadowfel. They were going to take back Dragonlance in order to give us Draconians, but instead extended Margaret Weiss's contract and changed the name of them. Everything they have done in the last 2-3 years has been to consolidate their Intellectual Properties and 'refurbish' them for 4e. The writing is on the wall.
And to continue further down this train of thought, at least 90% of the Feywild is taken from the Birthright setting.
They haven't really created anything new - they are like children with glue and scissors, pasting together 'past glories' and trying to take credit for what others have done before, when all they have really done is create a mess and a lot of 'spilled glue'.
The only part of that I would change after re-reading it is calling Birthright a 'past glory' - thats definately an over-exagerration. Nothing creative has been done to the Realms, only destructive; but since I saw nearly all of this coming, the only thing I can do now is add my giant "SIGH" in with the others.
The positives -
Maztica was so derivitive that it's existance actually detracted from the Realms. The one thing I was hoping for was something new replacing it, and perhaps that spinning globe on Brian's site isn't so far-fetched after all, eh?
The WORST Negative -
The Shining South was pefect the way it was. I don't know who thought it wasn't worth keeping, but that will go down in history as one of the 'big blunders' of 4e. Blowing up Halrua? 
That sounds more like a personal grudge then a well-thought out decision. At least Maztica got 'shifted' somewhere else, but someone over at WotC had a bug up his a__ about that country, obviously. |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 21:05:23
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I love Seros. I've run several campaigns there, I've had dukars wandering through my surface campaigns, I sent my PC's down in search of the Wyrmskull Throne... it goes on and on.
Needless to say, I'm not converting to 4e.
On another note, along with changing weather patterns, the Moonsea drains into the Sea of Fallen Stars. If we see a major drop in the Sea's water level, would we get a corresponding drop in the Moonsea? Maybe not to the same extent, but enough to ruin all existing harbors?
Or do you think they didn't consider that possibility either? |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 21:08:12
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 22:11:20
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Halruaa, though technically being part of the shining south, is one of the most Faerunian places, because it is one of the two living heirs of Netheril, and if a realm has the right to call itself a genuine Faerunian place, then it is Netheril. So Halruaa is as much Faerunian as the Empire of Shade, the other heir to Netheril of old.
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 01 Feb 2008 : 00:13:48
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Halruaa, though technically being part of the shining south, is one of the most Faerunian places, because it is one of the two living heirs of Netheril, and if a realm has the right to call itself a genuine Faerunian place, then it is Netheril. So Halruaa is as much Faerunian as the Empire of Shade, the other heir to Netheril of old.
This is not Faerun minus the shining south and maztica, this much less.
This is a very good point. Halruaa certainly does have a "Faerunian pedigree," and yet it faced the chopping block just like Maztica. I'm not sure I completely buy that this was distracting to the "core Realms experience."
I'm wondering if the design team wasn't a little concerned that Thultanthar wouldn't loom quite so large if Halruaa still existed. |
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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 01 Feb 2008 : 01:07:13
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OK, RW-deities, aside from the Mulhorandi pantheon, are/were/still are Silvanus, based on the Roman god of woodlands etc, Oghma Celtic deity of knowledge or so, and Tyr...
I cannot understand why folks like Oghma and Silvanus are still "wanted" while people complain about Tyr being too real-worldy.
All of them worked/still work...so I won't complain there, cuz in my Realms I'll still keep 'em |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 01 Feb 2008 : 01:15:31
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Originally posted by Markustay
Hmmmm... what does FR look like now, let me think... what else has a big crack in it, and smells really bad.?
Nice imagery.
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The Shining South was pefect the way it was.
I thought so too. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 01 Feb 2008 : 01:16:56
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I think they figured there was only room enough for one Nethereses survivor-state, and decided to keep the 'super-cool' one.
Also, if the Freshwater Moonsea were to dump into the salt water Inner Sea, there would be major ecological damage. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Feb 2008 : 01:19:18
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
This is a very good point. Halruaa certainly does have a "Faerunian pedigree," and yet it faced the chopping block just like Maztica. I'm not sure I completely buy that this was distracting to the "core Realms experience."
ESPECIALLY considering that one of the 4E design principles as per Worlds and Monsters is to make the worlds more fantastic, with floating structures and such. Didn't Halruaa have that kind of wonder? Why get rid of it if it already fits in well with what the designers want for 4E in general? |
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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 01 Feb 2008 : 06:24:29
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Ahem: Sigh.
One of my favorite regions in Faerun just got nuked. Yeah, Chult's still around, but what of the Tashalar, The Black Jungles, the Mhair Jungles, the Lapal League, Thindol, and Samarach? Even more, what of Nimbral? So, dropping everything bot Chult and maybe nimbral... that's 6 of 9 wonderful places in the Realms just gone.
IF Halruaa nuking made everything between an archipelago, I am sad indeed.
The whole idea of the "new realms" bugs me. Even with Maztica being favored/unfavored by various people, a simple article like the one in Dragon for the Hordelands would have brought it into the fold (someone else said this, too).
And, of the very few Realms novels I have read (speaking directly the Avatar Trilogy), The Weave had no effect on any extra-dimensional areas. This includes the Planes, and IIRC El fixed a hole in reality from the other side during the ToT. Sorry, but that's one of the few bits of continuity I follow (especially in my crossover PS games).
I think that suffices as a long sigh for me.
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