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Hawkins
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 :  19:30:41  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And a couple more answers from Rich at the WotC Forums.

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 :  19:42:56  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yay, let's kill some gods... Lolth had it coming for a while and if I can trigger my healing surge and use my daily über-ability then I can hit her just in time for the rogue to activate his yearly ability of offing anything while it is distracted!

one word: BOLLOCKS!

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Markustay
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 :  22:29:08  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think it might be in their best interest to stop telling us their plans.

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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 :  22:42:45  Show Profile Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
BOLLOCKS = BUTTCHEEKS

Not to be confused with Bullocks, which by the way, also has very nice buttcheeks...
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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 :  23:04:00  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

BOLLOCKS = BUTTCHEEKS

Not to be confused with Bullocks, which by the way, also has very nice buttcheeks...



There is more than one Bullock? Oooh, now I remember: Jeremy Bullock, the dude who played Boba Fett in ESB...when did you see his buttcheeks?????

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The Sage
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 :  23:23:01  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Let's try to keep it on topic folks.

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 :  23:26:37  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I think it might be in their best interest to stop telling us their plans.



I think they cannot control the damage they've already done...why should they start damage control now when the Realms are already underneath ground zero?

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Kentinal
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 :  00:17:56  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I think it might be in their best interest to stop telling us their plans.



I think they cannot control the damage they've already done...why should they start damage control now when the Realms are already underneath ground zero?



In fairness, we do not know how much the Realms were changed, and we should be fair. Only about 5 months to release to FRCS and other then released information that is what should be used, I will admit that I do not like announced changes to the Realms, but those changes are only part of the Realms not the entire Realms.

Perhaps there will be something you and I will find that we like (might not be the same thing) when we actually see 4th FR. I do know 4th Ed. FR team peomisises that we will overall like the changes. Of course that is opnion and WotC reseach of what will sell. A company needs to sell something in order to survive.

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Markustay
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 :  01:06:25  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually, we know QUITE A BIT already, and I've compiled it over at the WotC forums.

So now, thanks to you, I have posted it here as well...

Enjoy

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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 :  04:04:24  Show Profile Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

BOLLOCKS = BUTTCHEEKS

Not to be confused with Bullocks, which by the way, also has very nice buttcheeks...



There is more than one Bullock? Oooh, now I remember: Jeremy Bullock, the dude who played Boba Fett in ESB...when did you see his buttcheeks?????

Of course, all those who have witnessed my overpowering manliness would know I was referring to SANDRA Bullocks.
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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 :  13:40:15  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That would be Sandra Bullock IIRC

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 :  13:44:53  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

Of course, all those who have witnessed my overpowering manliness would know I was referring to SANDRA Bullocks.



And does this list include any real people to whom you are not related?

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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 :  15:52:38  Show Profile Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

Of course, all those who have witnessed my overpowering manliness would know I was referring to SANDRA Bullocks.



And does this list include any real people to whom you are not related?

And Zing! the hamster goes for the FULL FRONTAL PIKACHU ATTACK! teeth bared and all...

Oh, but believe me... it SHOULD be BullockSSSSS in the plural form!!!
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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 :  21:36:11  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Stop drooling PDK

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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 :  23:50:05  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Let's keep it focused on 4e FR discussion folks.

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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 27 Mar 2008 :  02:25:15  Show Profile Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Let's keep it focused on 4e FR discussion folks.

But 4e FR discussions are so depressing... a bit of hilarity can't hurt anyone!
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Mar 2008 :  04:02:51  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I once thought the same too PDK. Until Alaundo set me "right."

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 27 Mar 2008 :  22:02:49  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Personally, I can't wait to see what they're gonna screw up next.

Magic screwed up? Check.
Lands and continents screwed up? Check.
Pantheons screwed up? Check.
Destroying opportunities to tell good stories for which plot hooks had already been provided (Manshoon Wars, Harper Schism)? Check. Well, they already did that in 3e.
Alienating the fanbase? Check.

Maybe we're gonna see Godzilla? Or Darth Vader? They're both cool... the old Vader from 20+ years back of course.
Or they introduce Cthulu via the Deep Realm or whatever it is called.
Maybe Mirt will morph into the Realms-equivalent of Donald Trump with a penthouse and stuff... no, wait...got that one already... of sorts.
Maybe Halaster returns... as... Godzilla!!!

Go WotC!

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Asgetrion
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Posted - 28 Mar 2008 :  12:23:50  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I once thought the same too PDK. Until Alaundo set me "right."




(Sage has omitted the last part of the sentence:"...with his Staff" )

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Asgetrion
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Posted - 28 Mar 2008 :  12:26:40  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

Personally, I can't wait to see what they're gonna screw up next.

Magic screwed up? Check.
Lands and continents screwed up? Check.
Pantheons screwed up? Check.
Destroying opportunities to tell good stories for which plot hooks had already been provided (Manshoon Wars, Harper Schism)? Check. Well, they already did that in 3e.
Alienating the fanbase? Check.

Maybe we're gonna see Godzilla? Or Darth Vader? They're both cool... the old Vader from 20+ years back of course.
Or they introduce Cthulu via the Deep Realm or whatever it is called.
Maybe Mirt will morph into the Realms-equivalent of Donald Trump with a penthouse and stuff... no, wait...got that one already... of sorts.
Maybe Halaster returns... as... Godzilla!!!

Go WotC!



*Shush*, Mace! Don't give them any funny ideas!

You could try running the Pathfinder RPG in FR, since it's a completely "non-fluffy" system although you would assume that it'd have Feats, Prestige Classes and magic related to Golarion.

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 30 Mar 2008 :  18:20:27  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually, I will play in Golarion with one group, first with 3.5 then with Pathfinder RPG. Won't change to Pathfinder with the other group until I have more insight to the rules changes and the skill system works more to my liking, so to speak. Further, I need to figure out how to deal with the Realms Prestige Classes.

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Ladejarl
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 :  20:25:25  Show Profile  Visit Ladejarl's Homepage Send Ladejarl a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

Maybe we're gonna see Godzilla? Or Darth Vader? They're both cool... the old Vader from 20+ years back of course.
Or they introduce Cthulu via the Deep Realm or whatever it is called.
Maybe Mirt will morph into the Realms-equivalent of Donald Trump with a penthouse and stuff... no, wait...got that one already... of sorts.
Maybe Halaster returns... as... Godzilla!!!



I can tell you one thing we'll se: "It's allways been this way."

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 :  20:36:50  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think you're wrong on that one.

Third Edition= Its always been that way.

Fourth Edition= It doesn't matter what it used to be like . . . oh, and Spellplague.
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 :  20:44:47  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
SirUrza, over at Paizo's site, said that at a convention Q&A that the 4th edition team mentioned updating a campaign setting a year, and that they felt it was a bad idea to "bloat" a campaign setting with too many books, which lead me to believe that we may ONLY be getting a FRCG and a FRPG, and perhaps adventures, and then we go back to 3.5 era "heavy lifting" for the novels, i.e. nothing that might change or get detailed or resolved in the novels will be codified in sourcebooks.

Except, of course, articles in the new Dragon . . .
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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 :  21:05:30  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Did I mention before that the entire downgrade (it isn't an upgrade at all) for the Realms was a big, stinking load of manure?

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capnvan
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 :  22:12:56  Show Profile  Visit capnvan's Homepage Send capnvan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Now, Mace, come on. Manure serves a purpose. Let's not give it a bad name.

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Markustay
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 :  16:21:40  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Okay, that was nearly spit-take worthy.

quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

Maybe we're gonna see Godzilla?
We already have them in FR - they're called gargantuas and live on Moster Island, near Kozakura. Besides Godzilla, we have Mothra and King Kong... and Gammora, if you want to include the Zaratans.

Also, BJ mentioned a battle with Krakentoa in Imaskar (in the GhotR), and all I could picture in my head was an Exxon Station in downtown Inaupras blowing up.

Especially considering that that region is home to the Dzalmaus (King Ghidra).

quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

Except, of course, articles in the new Dragon . . .
So, basically they will be holding our Realmslore 'hostage' - we get just two books (which could have been done as one big one), and we must pay for the DDi if we want to find out anything else.

Just one more reson why NOT to play in 4e Realms - the DDi hasn't lived up to its promise (big suprise there), and those advertisements they are calling articles don't come anywhere near the quality of Paizo's Dragon magazine. They are a joke, really... the only recent one that wasn't a thinly-disguised ad for 4e was The Headless Zhent.

Need I say more?

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Edited by - Markustay on 11 Apr 2008 19:31:22
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Aravine
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 :  16:24:37  Show Profile  Visit Aravine's Homepage Send Aravine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Okay, that was nearly spit-take worthy.

quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

Maybe we're gonna see Godzilla?
We are have them in FR - they're called gargantuas and live on Moster Island, near Kozakura. Besides Godzilla, we have Mothra and King Kong... and Gammora, if you want to include the Zaratans.

Also, BJ mentioned a battle with Krakentoa in Imaskar (in the GhotR), and all I could picture in my head was an Exxon Station in downtown Inaupras blowing up.

Especially considering that that region is home to the Dzalmaus (King Ghidra).

quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

Except, of course, articles in the new Dragon . . .
So, basically they will be holding our Realmslore 'hostage' - we get just two books (which could have been done as one big one), and we must pay for the DDi if we want to find out anything else.

Just one more reson why NOT to play in 4e Realms - the DDi hasn't lived up to its promise (big suprise there), and those advertisements they are calling articles don't come anywhere near the quality of Paizo's Dragon magazine. They are a joke, really... the only recent one that wasn't a thinly-disguised ad for 4e was The Headless Zhent.

Need I say more?




No, but the FAQ gave me a little more hope, for a reason I don't knoww...

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 :  16:46:41  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hope... hope is the carrot that dangles before the donkey's head so he keeps moving...

Read that somewhere a long long time ago in DragonLance, seems we've finally come full circle with Raistlin's quote

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Aravine
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 :  16:52:22  Show Profile  Visit Aravine's Homepage Send Aravine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

Hope... hope is the carrot that dangles before the donkey's head so he keeps moving...



no...that would be bribery.

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