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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
So Ioun is a god of Knowledge now, and she created the Ioun Stones?
Things just keep getting weirder and weirder....


Why is this wierd? I am assuming because in the Realms they were created by Ioun the Arcanist. In fact Dale Henson decided to retcon the creation of Ioun stones to Netheril and made up a wizard to do it.

Ioun stone have 'always' existed in D&D from 1E onwards. I see no issue with WotC creating this deity and the reason behind the change in Lore.


Whether or not Dale Henson was correct to retcon ioun stones, the fact remains that we now have an established creator of the stones. And honestly, what he did isn't that much of a retcon, since it was never established where the stones came from.

Now they're simply chucking all that out the window... And though I don't think it will happen, if they decide to import Ioun the goddess into the Realms, then it will directly contradict established Realmslore.

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Wooly Rupert
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I also like the fact that WotC are going back to naming magics that 'belong' to someone. I think that Keoghtoms Ointment, Hewards Handy Haversack et al add to the game, not take away from it.

Cheers

Damian



Ditto. I feel the same way about named spells, like all of the named spells by Mordenkainen, Bigby, Tenser, and others. I was quite tweaked when they renamed all of those.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
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No. Part of the motivation for the Sellplague was to remove the deity of magic idea. No Mystra, no replacement.


But wouldn't it be interesting if this was changed because of all the complaints on the forums, (Torm in Tyr out etc).

I can see this happening




If that was to happen I really have to question the sanity of the movers & shakers at Wizards... why kill off Mytra (mkII) claiming they want magic to be free and then introduce a new deity of magic basically taking over for Mystra? Hmmm...no



If they did that, the backlash would be even worse than most of the Sellplague-related backlash already is.

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 15 Mar 2008 :  00:08:30  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ioun is not a Forgotten Realms god and her lore will have no impact on the 4E Realms. Congenio's pebbles remain canon.

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Ioun is not a Forgotten Realms god and her lore will have no impact on the 4E Realms. Congenio's pebbles remain canon.



Well, that should settle some concerns that have been bubbling up over this. Thanks for the information.

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So we are NOT getting a unified Cosmology then?

I had high hopes of something going back to the way it was in 2e, with all its crazy inter-connectivity.

It stands to reason that you can't have an 'Umbrella' Cosmology, and each of the worlds has seperate creation stories for things.

Since the new Cosmology was one of the things I was looking forward to in 4e, thats just one more bubble burst.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

I also like the fact that WotC are going back to naming magics that 'belong' to someone. I think that Keoghtoms Ointment, Hewards Handy Haversack et al add to the game, not take away from it.

Cheers

Damian



Ditto. I feel the same way about named spells, like all of the named spells by Mordenkainen, Bigby, Tenser, and others. I was quite tweaked when they renamed all of those.



Seconded, because I like how those items and spells allude to, umm, interworldly travel (does that make sense?).

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So we are NOT getting a unified Cosmology then?



Don't know--I don't know if we've even gotten a clear answer about that yet.

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What was said was the worlds would become more compatible with each other. Also was indicated that "points of Light" would not be applied as much to Realms.

So it might be inferred that the Realms will still not be core, however travel from core to Realms will require less conversion work then exists under 3.X

or plans changed somewhat since prior stated plans were released.

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Foxhelm
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I thought it would be something like this:

The planes are linked but travel between some planes might not be as easy as other in different campaign settings. Like The gates of the moon and the Nine Hells are existent in the Realms plus the Outlands and the Nine Hells exist in Oerth. Both can easily reach the Nine hells, but traveling to the Outlands from the Realms (or to the Gates of the moon from Oerth) would meet with resistance (barring DM rules).

It might be easier to make it from the realms to the nine hells then to Oerth.

Either that or planes exist/not exist depending on the DM's choice for their campaigns. Which could lead to the Outlands in the Realms or leas likely the Gates in Oerth.

Thoughts?

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Markustay
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Thats how I've been envisioning it, and I hope thats the case. Universal planes, like Baator and the Demonweb Pits should touch all relevant planes (and be the SAME), while 'local planes' would revolve within the local cosmology, like little metaphysical Solar-systems. In that analogy, the 'Great Planes' would be like Galaxies compared to the little local planes.

I just never got that in 3e -

FR guy: "Lets meet in the Nine Hells, Okay?"

Greyhawker: "Which one, yours or mine?"

Kender: "How about mine? No one uses it anyway..."


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New post by Rich on the WotC forums.

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Thanks for the link, HawkinstheDM.

IIRC, the bladesingers are from the Core of the old 2nd edition Complete Elves Handbooks. So, I believe that there are no problems with them in the core in any D&D edition.

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As long as we don't get TONS of overlap in the books, like we did with 3e. How many classes allowed a fighter to cast arcane spells again?

New Topic?

I was going to start a new topic for discussion, but since it is directly 4e-related, I figure I would just toss it in here:

The PHB is scheduled (according to Amazon) to come out in June; I thought it was initially scheduled for a March release? This changes the slant of this post somewhat, but my thoughts are still somewhat valid.

Do most of you think that 4e FR's biggest competitor will be 3e FR? Originally, when they were talking about a March release (IIRC), we were looking at 5 months for folks to convert the existing setting to 4e rules. I am part of two sites right now that plan on doing exactly that once the rules are in our hands, and I know of at least a dozen others that will do the same. By the time August rolls around, don't you think most folks will have already either done or aquired what they need to play 4e in the Realms, WITHOUT having to make any 4e FR purchases?

Also, I'm not sure if I got the dates confused, or if the books were really pushed back. If they were pushed back, does anyone else think that maybe they did that, forseeing that they were giving us too much time to do our own thing? Think about it - 5 Months left in Limbo was way too long, and a lot of FR players would have exercised various other options.

What does everyone think about that?

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Hawkins
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Posted - 17 Mar 2008 :  23:14:34  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin

Thanks for the link, HawkinstheDM.

IIRC, the bladesingers are from the Core of the old 2nd edition Complete Elves Handbooks. So, I believe that there are no problems with them in the core in any D&D edition.

Oh...okay...cool...bit of foot-in-mouth syndrome there...

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Brian R. James
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Seriously, good luck with that Markus. As far as I can tell, Elves of Faerűn is the furthest along of any fan project and that's been going on for how many months now? And that tome covers just one aspect of the Forgotten Realms. Or am I misunderstanding the scope of your conversion?

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Markustay
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Probably just the scope. I, myself, am NOT in charge of either, so I have high hopes they will finish stuff.

I'm holding back on the two netbooks I'm doing because I want them to be multi-edition compatible. Neither is anywhere near a complete conversion of everything that has gone before (more like updates, in my case). I was waiting until I got my hands on the GHotR, and now I'm waiting on the new edition. If I never finish them, oh well, but they are my PERSONAL pet projects, and not what I am referring to.

And I'm not involved with the EoF project anymore, but thats coming along rather nicely, from what I can see.

The sites I'm referring to will just offer ways to translate 4e classes into the old game, and major NPCs into the new rules, with perhaps only a little bit of fluff. For instance, we wouldn't be writing up Khelben Blackstaff, but I'm sure someone can easily stat him out in 4e. Its more of a 'crunch' thing (which really isn't my thing - I'm only going to be there for 'lore' issues).

Heh - even if I only finish the 2e to 3e map conversions, I'll be happy.

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay


New Topic?

I was going to start a new topic for discussion, but since it is directly 4e-related, I figure I would just toss it in here:

The PHB is scheduled (according to Amazon) to come out in June; I thought it was initially scheduled for a March release? This changes the slant of this post somewhat, but my thoughts are still somewhat valid.

A prerelease starter module was to be trleased in March, last I know that sliped to Aprol. The PHB was to be released in May, DMG in June and MM in July. Change bundled all three to be released in June.
quote:


Do most of you think that 4e FR's biggest competitor will be 3e FR? Originally, when they were talking about a March release (IIRC), we were looking at 5 months for folks to convert the existing setting to 4e rules. I am part of two sites right now that plan on doing exactly that once the rules are in our hands, and I know of at least a dozen others that will do the same. By the time August rolls around, don't you think most folks will have already either done or aquired what they need to play 4e in the Realms, WITHOUT having to make any 4e FR purchases?

Also, I'm not sure if I got the dates confused, or if the books were really pushed back. If they were pushed back, does anyone else think that maybe they did that, forseeing that they were giving us too much time to do our own thing? Think about it - 5 Months left in Limbo was way too long, and a lot of FR players would have exercised various other options.

What does everyone think about that?



Well 3.X certainly will compete with 4th, much like 2nd competed with 3rd. It is hard to know how much a difference, resistance to change will be a factor. There clearly are vocal ones that indicate they do not like announced changes, there were vocal ones that did not like announced changes annonced for 3rd. There likely are many waiting and not speaking yet as to if they will buy 4th. There is no good way to guage market based on internet posts.

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Markustay
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quote:
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There is no good way to guage market based on internet posts.

Very True.

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I will give 4E a try with someone from work but my home campaigns will remain 3.5E

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I am starting a new campaign tomorrow night with my old group. We haven't played in almost 2 years. We were all sitting around watching the hockey game a few weeks ago and started talkign about 4e coming soon, and of course that led to the "we should play again" discussions.

I bit the bullet and purchased the big hardbound "Cormyr" module that leads into the Spellplauge etc.

Much of what I've read about 4e seems interesting. I'm going to pick it up when it launches and see what it has to offer. If I (and the gaming group) like it enough, we'll likely make the switch after the current adventure runs its course.

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I'm very likely going to give 4e a try first. And more then likely, I'm going to buy the FR materials, if only to keep up with the "Realmslore". It's funny, my wife and I just bought three book shelves, to put our gaming collection on a real shelf for the first time in years. (Stacks and Stacks of books started getting in the way)

I'm actually tentatively in the process of taking one of the home games, and starting to work slowly to preparing on converting the game through the Spellplague from 3.5 to 4e. I'm trying to see if I can keep interest through the whole change over. Brian James' articles have actually helped a lot lately with this course of action. I'm also going to keep running 3.5 games as well. I've invested too much money in the books to just through them out the window. The way I look at it, I may end up running the FR in two separate rules systems at the same time, in the end.

I know that there are some that may consider these words Blasphemy, but I'm more than willing to run a bunch of historical games using 3.5e. I've done it before and it was pretty fun. I know that the whole "this is the way things have always been" mentality with 3.5e kinda chaffed some, but since that's where I started actually playing instead of just reading FR, it works for me.

I'm still concerned about 4E, with some of the abilities and stories I'm hearing from EN, WotC's site, and friends. It sounds like the Power Creep issue maybe bigger in 4e then 3.5 ever conceived. The magic system may work more effectively, but everything else seems kinda... video-game-esque. But then, I think the final vote won't be completed until after August when the "Drizzt Does Faerun" book (since they STILL haven't changed the cover on the WotC site) is finally released.

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I have absolutely no problem with switching over to the new rules. I have always been about training new players, and NOT using the most current ruleset would be counter-productive to bringing in 'new blood'. Besides, anything I don't like, I houserule - always have, always will.

In the long run, I expect everyone will eventually switch. Almost everybody I played with that foreswore 3e switched, so its bound to happen.

The thing I'm wondering about this time is if the setting will be its own worst enemy. Despite past edition changes, and weirdnesses in lore like the ToT and all the Assasins simultaneously dieing, people still came around. This time, I'm not so sure.

The new Realms (Shattered Realms, as Wooly puts it) will have to be so incredible that it will make folks want to switch. Considering the VAST amount of previous lore and wonderful writing by talented folks, those are some mighty big shoes to fill.

I'm not saying it can't happen - I myself HATED FR when it was launched, and swore I would never leave my beloved Greyhawk... but it happened. FR was just THAT good.

Will the new setting be able to make that claim? Will it make people want to leave the world they know and love for something new and different? We'll see.....

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quote:
Originally posted by ShepherdGunn


I'm still concerned about 4E, with some of the abilities and stories I'm hearing from EN, WotC's site, and friends. It sounds like the Power Creep issue maybe bigger in 4e then 3.5 ever conceived. The magic system may work more effectively, but everything else seems kinda... video-game-esque.



quote:
Originally posted by Markustay


In the long run, I expect everyone will eventually switch. Almost everybody I played with that foreswore 3e switched, so its bound to happen.




My huge stumbling block so far with 4E is the wizards plasma blaster, otherwise known as a magic missile or eldritch blast. Anything that can blast 2d4+5 at will can't be called anything but a plasma blaster. And I can't imagine a fantasy setting where I'd want to play or DM such a thing. Although there are alot of aspects of 4E that I want to improve 3.5 with. I can't see myself switching ever.

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It's not that I don't think 4e will be a good game.

It's not that I don't think the Realms will be a good setting.

It's that I really do believe that the game will not support the verisimilitude of the setting.

At will powers, that are 'eldritch blasts', are not really fitting with my vision of the Realms.

A 'core pantheon' for the dungeons and dragons multiverse is not really fitting with my vision of the Realms.

I really do believe that the design team will do the best that they can, and I really do believe that they will put out something that is very enjoyable.

But I do not really believe that I'll see it as the Realms.
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quote:
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But I do not really believe that I'll see it as the Realms.



That's the bottomline for me as well.

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Link to new posts by Rich on the WotC forums.

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He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)

Edited by - Hawkins on 19 Mar 2008 23:12:57
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Aravine
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by ShadezofDis

But I do not really believe that I'll see it as the Realms.



That's the bottomline for me as well.



Agreed.

The brave don't live forever,the cautious don't live at all
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Aravine
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by ShadezofDis

But I do not really believe that I'll see it as the Realms.



That's the bottomline for me as well.



Agreed.

The brave don't live forever,the cautious don't live at all
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Hawkins
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Yet more posts by Rich on the WotC forums...

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The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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