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KnightErrantJR
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 Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 18:15:52
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Originally posted by Faraer
Here's the big 'don't know' about Rich's article: To what extent does it read like a PR release or a movie pitch because that's what it is, and to what extent is that kind of top-down, garish, ego-first, nuance-be-damned thinking actually how the new Realms has been conceived and is being done?
Chris Perkins' comment about making the Realms feel like a big budget Hollywood movie doesn't instill me with a lot of confidence either. Then again, interested parties can read my thoughts on Hollywood blockbusters in my blog, in the link below (Shamless Plug). |
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Verghityax
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 18:49:10
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After reading this I don't suppose WotC is getting any of my money anymore. The "Grand History of the Realms" is the last FR product I'm buying.
BTW, I'm wondering what are they going to do about the novels? It's like WotC is saying: "We know you like Shandril, Danilo, Mirt and all the other old geezers but it's 4E now so we have to kill them off. But don't worry, there's always Drizzt the Milking Cow". And that is the kind of attitude I definitely don't like nor approve.
I wish luck to all the people who plan to jump over to the 4E Realms as I'm staying in the Year of Risen Elfkin. |
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Faraer
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 18:52:30
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| Of course, another question is which are the parts Ed's working on? Tymanther, maybe? If so, how easily will we be able to use it as a gate-linked other world rather than as part of Realms 2008? |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 20:31:54
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| hmm ... a question that is resurfacing for me is if Candlekeep shouldn't take and do an semiofficial split so it haves a extended vault which rotates around 3.5E (and before) discarding 'everything' from year 1374 DR onwards ... or 'at least' make an unofficial retelling of the whole deal remaking the realms into how 'we' like it to be with the new 4e rules ... (i must admit that the 4E rules out yet are interesting ... they just overloaded it with crappy fluff) |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 21:02:39
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Originally posted by Sian
hmm ... a question that is resurfacing for me is if Candlekeep shouldn't take and do an semiofficial split so it haves a extended vault which rotates around 3.5E (and before) discarding 'everything' from year 1374 DR onwards ... or 'at least' make an unofficial retelling of the whole deal remaking the realms into how 'we' like it to be with the new 4e rules ... (i must admit that the 4E rules out yet are interesting ... they just overloaded it with crappy fluff)
I'm not as sure that's a good idea. We are here to discuss the Realms, whether it be 1E, 2E, 3.0E, 3.5E, or even 4E. There is undoubtedly going to be a lot of material in 4E FR that people like, too.
Maybe WotC can afford to alienate people, but I'd prefer not to do it here. There's already more than enough anti-4E discussion going on here; I don't think we need to officially declare that we're coming down on one side or the other. |
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Faraer
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 21:15:44
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| I certainly agree, but at some point it may be worthwhile adding a new Realms-2008 version of the Sages of Realmslore forum (it would be funny, for one thing, given the new setting's disdain for the very idea of Realmslore). |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 21:50:57
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Originally posted by Faraer
Of course, another question is which are the parts Ed's working on? Tymanther, maybe?
Ed is working on the familiar stuff. Waterdeep, Silver Marches, Dalelands, Cormyr.. you know.. the stuff that SURVIVED and didn't change all that much. You know, the stuff they didn't pull out of a grab bag of ideas to throw into 4E Realms.
All the other stupid asinine no room in my Realms crap they're adding, they'll write about... since it's new and they're lazy and don't have to open up old TSR books to read about. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 21:53:16
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
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Originally posted by Fillow
What will become our PC in 95 years ? Humans and short life span PCs will be dead... during this 95 year-old-no-events-period.
I cannot do the link with my PCs today, their death (that I really refuse !) and 1479 DR !
The Campaign Guide will have advice for moving your characters to the new time period (time portal, temporal stasis, playing descendants, etc...)
Sure, why not, if Spellplague can rip an entire race from it's home plane and transplant them on Toril, why not add time travel. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 22:11:42
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Originally posted by SirUrza
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Originally posted by Faraer
Of course, another question is which are the parts Ed's working on? Tymanther, maybe?
Ed is working on the familiar stuff. Waterdeep, Silver Marches, Dalelands, Cormyr.. you know.. the stuff that SURVIVED and didn't change all that much. You know, the stuff they didn't pull out of a grab bag of ideas to throw into 4E Realms.
All the other stupid asinine no room in my Realms crap they're adding, they'll write about... since it's new and they're lazy and don't have to open up old TSR books to read about.
And you know this for a fact? Please, quote your sources. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 22:13:33
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Originally posted by SirUrza
Sure, why not, if Spellplague can rip an entire race from it's home plane and transplant them on Toril, why not add time travel.
Neither event is without precedent. The saurials were transplanted into the Realms. And the 2E Netheril stuff covered time travel. There was also the Portals in Time part of the Perilous Gateways series. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 22:15:20
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| The main thing we know about Ed's work on the FRCG, other than its length, is that 'Ed is taking the lead on this [covering the world outside Faerūn], and a lot of the work he's doing on the campaign guide is focused on places beyond Faerūn' (Chris Perkins interview) and 'realms forgotten will be forgotten no more, and Ed Greenwood is personally behind that vision' (more cryptically, from Bruce Cordell's blog). Where did you hear different? |
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chance87
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 22:17:44
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Nah, no spectacular death scene with these guys. More like advanced lizardfolk with a martial bent...but named for dragons so they'll be "kewl" 
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Some say that the dragonborn are creations of Tiamat, hatched from vast incubators hidden beneath temples of the dragon-goddess in the cities of Unther. Others believe that the dragonborn are descended from the human population of the old empire, changed by the touch of the Spellplague into something no longer human. But the truth of the matter is even stranger: As it did in many other places in Faerūn, the Spellplague opened the door to some other realm entirely, wrenching the aeries and castles of the dragonborn from their native landwherever that once wasand depositing them amid the chaos of devastated Unther.
Have they dragged in part of Krynn/DL? The dragonborn sound a lot like draconians to me.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 23:11:42
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It's a scary time to be a Realms fan.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 23:24:56
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Originally posted by Faraer
Of course, another question is which are the parts Ed's working on? Tymanther, maybe? If so, how easily will we be able to use it as a gate-linked other world rather than as part of Realms 2008?
That's actually an excellent idea. I could always make use of the Ed-created areas that way. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 01:01:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by SirUrza
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Originally posted by Faraer
Of course, another question is which are the parts Ed's working on? Tymanther, maybe?
Ed is working on the familiar stuff. Waterdeep, Silver Marches, Dalelands, Cormyr.. you know.. the stuff that SURVIVED and didn't change all that much. You know, the stuff they didn't pull out of a grab bag of ideas to throw into 4E Realms.
All the other stupid asinine no room in my Realms crap they're adding, they'll write about... since it's new and they're lazy and don't have to open up old TSR books to read about.
And you know this for a fact? Please, quote your sources.
You know Wooly, in an ealier post you mention how sad you were and how these news are depressing to you. I'd like to wag my finger and tell you a hundred times "I told you so," especially when you're still sticking your neck out defending all those Realms defilers.
I wouldn't ask SirUrza to "quote his sources" when he's expressing what most of us - dare I say you as well? - feel at the moment.
Cut a brother some slack. He's allowed his opinion, and we're all mature enough to know it's just that -- an opinion. Don't worry too much about WotC staff: they have thick skins, and can take it (how else would you explain how they can release crap like this without even giving a shred of a damn, shedding a tear for Mystra and al., or at least providing an in-game explanation as to why the Weave is failing and why at least 4 subraces of elves are now no more?)
You know, I write for a living. It's pretty dry stuff based on data gathered in the field, computer simulations, predictive algorithms and analyses. I like my work, but everything I write is constrained within the framework of scientific/engineering logic, which must address and talk to the current government guidelines on the subject, as it is ultimately assessed by a government-paid reviewer. If I had the God-given opportunity to write FUN stuff about the Realms, you know, I wouldn't sleep at night until I came up with the stuff of legend, and until every single guy or gal here at Candlekeep has something nice to say about it. Heck, I'd probably get in trouble at times trying to be too nice to all you guys, and giving way too many opportunities to the various Realmslore sages here. We can't go about and be all soft about this: at some point if some designers are given a pink slip, it won't be undeserved as far as I'm concerned. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 01:10:01
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
I wouldn't ask SirUrza to "quote his sources" when he's expressing what most of us - dare I say you as well? - feel at the moment.
Wooly was (I presume) talking about the assertion that Ed Greenwood is working on the most popular and detailed parts of the setting (ie. Waterdeep, Cormyr, the Dalelands) even though everything we've heard so far suggests the opposite. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 02:07:58
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Reading that official "Proclimation"...
was like reading the obituary for one of my oldest, dearest friends.
I do not know when I will post again, I need some time.
Love to all my friends here. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 02:28:52
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Reading that official "Proclimation"...
was like reading the obituary for one of my oldest, dearest friends.
Yeah, that's one way of putting it.
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I do not know when I will post again, I need some time.
Love to all my friends here.
I'm so sad to hear that. Take care, and come back soon. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 03:00:25
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Wooly was (I presume) talking about the assertion that Ed Greenwood is working on the most popular and detailed parts of the setting (ie. Waterdeep, Cormyr, the Dalelands) even though everything we've heard so far suggests the opposite.
Waterdeep and the Dalelands were actually my assignments. I asked for and received the Moonshaes as well. My work on Waterdeep consisted primarily of distilling Ed's massive 100 page 50,000 word document on Waterdeep (circa 1479) down to 6 pages. Not an easy task at all but one I was more than happy to undertake. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 03:59:21
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Rich posted today.
"Remember, it's a preview. You've only seen half of the story on Tymanther (in that the question of *where* they came from and why they appeared is deliberately avoided). There's more coming.
Just to be clear, though: Tymanther is not a piece of Krynn, and dragonborn are not draconians."
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"Most of the pantheon changes we've got in mind take place "in continuity" and are explained in the new FR Campaign Guide. In other words, events that take place between the current year of the setting and the year of the new setting explain almost all of the changes. There might be a couple of exceptions, but we're trying to avoid "retcon" wherever possible. (Halfling height is an example of retcon we likely wouldn't avoid, because I don't think I can convince you all that the Spellplague made halflings grow 6 inches all across Faerun. Better to say they were always that tall, and move on.)"
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"Oh, and one more thing I'll add: I believe that Bill Slavicsek is planning to address the "Why?" question in his Ampersand column. I'm not sure exactly when that will be, but I think it'll be sometime in the next couple of weeks.
(I sort of feel that I've been explaining the why for a while now. I haven't touched on *every* factor in our reasoning because some of these are things I shouldn't discuss outside the office. When Bill writes his piece, he may be able to shed a little more light on matters.)
As far as why certain places were highlighted in this specific article...I will point out that folks here in this thread begged me to tell them about a) someplace that hasn't been "ruined"; b) someplace where people are better off in the new edition than the old; and c) something entirely new. Hence my decision to tell you a little bit about the Sword Coast, Cormyr, and Tymanther." |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 05:09:50
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
You know Wooly, in an ealier post you mention how sad you were and how these news are depressing to you. I'd like to wag my finger and tell you a hundred times "I told you so," especially when you're still sticking your neck out defending all those Realms defilers.
Sir, you have read me entirely wrong.
Defending the defilers? Not hardly! I've publicly stated that I think this is doomed to failure. Is that defending them?
What I was fighting for so long was all the rampant speculation and ever-growing negative emotion. You know what? I don't care if any one person likes or dislikes 4E FR -- so long as that one person gives it a fair shake. If you go back and look at my posts, you will not see me defending anyone. You will see that I have been saying "maybe it won't be that bad" and "let's wait until we have official information before reacting". I have defended nothing. I have simply asked that people make decisions based on real information, not on speculation.
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
I wouldn't ask SirUrza to "quote his sources" when he's expressing what most of us - dare I say you as well? - feel at the moment.
I feel WotC is making a mistake in what they're doing to our setting. That's an opinion. Like what they're doing or loathe it, it's all personal opinion. But, when someone states, unequivocally, that one designer is doing one thing and another is doing something else, then I want info to back it up. Had the statement lead off with "I believe Ed is doing this" or some other similar sentiment, I wouldn't have said anything.
Basically, if someone is stating something as a fact, then I want the info that backs up the assertation.
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Cut a brother some slack. He's allowed his opinion, and we're all mature enough to know it's just that -- an opinion. Don't worry too much about WotC staff: they have thick skins, and can take it (how else would you explain how they can release crap like this without even giving a shred of a damn, shedding a tear for Mystra and al., or at least providing an in-game explanation as to why the Weave is failing and why at least 4 subraces of elves are now no more?)
I will defend anyone's right to have an opinion. I have before, I will again. I just want that opinion to be stated as an opinion, not as fact. I'm not worried about the WotC staff; I'll freely share my opinions with them, as well. I'll even be respectful about it, and give them fair opportunity to defend themselves, if they feel the need (obviously they won't, as I'm not totally against what they're doing -- just significant portions of it). I hold no personal animosity towards any designer.
All I am saying is that if something is an opinion, don't state it as fact. If it is fact, then back it up. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 05:13:58
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Wooly was (I presume) talking about the assertion that Ed Greenwood is working on the most popular and detailed parts of the setting (ie. Waterdeep, Cormyr, the Dalelands) even though everything we've heard so far suggests the opposite.
Waterdeep and the Dalelands were actually my assignments. I asked for and received the Moonshaes as well. My work on Waterdeep consisted primarily of distilling Ed's massive 100 page 50,000 word document on Waterdeep (circa 1479) down to 6 pages. Not an easy task at all but one I was more than happy to undertake.
Oh gods above, do you know how badly I'd love to see that original document? Waterdeep has always been my favorite place in the Realms; it is, in fact, what made me fall in love with the setting. That's why my only non-Hook contributions to the Compendium have been Lords of Waterdeep. And I have a tendency to set Hooks there, too, because I love the place so much. 
Like many of us, I'd love to have something of mine become canon -- but I'd love it even more if it involved Waterdeep. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 05:50:39
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
All I am saying is that if something is an opinion, don't state it as fact. If it is fact, then back it up.
I understand your point of view, and respect it. My response was a poor attempt at trying to illustrate that we're way past the "wait and see" point at this time. The 1479 DR preview we just got should be enough to illustrate what the post-Spellplague Realms will be. If one is not satisfied with this preview, I would recommend he/she does not set himself up for disappointment when the official book is released. Like I've been saying before -- and this goes hand in hand with your fact-based assessment of the situation -- we have internet sources and GHotR to provide us the future "canon" of the Realms at this point, so the "wait and see before complaining" argument is ill-advised at this point, and if complaining loudly offers a small chance to mitigate some of the damage, I say plug-in that speakerphone Major! |
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 06:25:50
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The document Brian mentioned is one iteration of a fairly recent Waterdeep overview Ed prepared (and revised, several times) recently, as part of consulting work for Wizards. I know this because I asked Ed if this 50,000 words on Waterdeep was a shortened version of his old original Waterdeep notes, which by my estimation run to some 400,000 words, and he explained it was far more recent. Ed said he could contractually tell me nothing more than this, but I'm guessing it is probably Waterdeep in the "new" (post-Spellplague, 100 years on) Realms.
And, yes, Wooly, Ed Waterdeep documents, covering everything from where the latest chamberpot emptying goes (and how it gets there) to the latest club fads and fashions, with stops along the way for within-guild fights and the feuds and behind-closed-doors deeds of many noble families, are pure gold.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 07:29:24
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
And, yes, Wooly, Ed Waterdeep documents, covering everything from where the latest chamberpot emptying goes (and how it gets there) to the latest club fads and fashions, with stops along the way for within-guild fights and the feuds and behind-closed-doors deeds of many noble families, are pure gold.
love,
THO
Now that's the type of Realmslore I just love to read about!
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arry
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 12:00:21
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Having read the 1479 document, together with all the other factual information given out by WotC, I have decided that 4E FR is not for me. I haven't yet decided whether or not to buy 4E FRCS. I will have to look and see if there is enough useful lore by Ed Greenwood to make purchasing it worthwhile.
I never thought I would write that last sentence. I will have to see what lore is useable in a pre-Spellplague campaign. Now I was thinking last night and, colour me paranoid  , but in one stroke WotC have rendered a great deal of Ed's FR lore irrelevant. "Oh, but all that was 100 years ago; it's all different now."
Now I'm sure this is all paranoid conspiracy theory; but I have a horrible suspicion that now WotC can ask Ed to concentrate on writing novels (which I'm sure bring in more money for WotC than RPG materials) and not bother about RPG stuff as his knowledge is 'out of date'.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 13:34:42
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
The document Brian mentioned is one iteration of a fairly recent Waterdeep overview Ed prepared (and revised, several times) recently, as part of consulting work for Wizards. I know this because I asked Ed if this 50,000 words on Waterdeep was a shortened version of his old original Waterdeep notes, which by my estimation run to some 400,000 words, and he explained it was far more recent. Ed said he could contractually tell me nothing more than this, but I'm guessing it is probably Waterdeep in the "new" (post-Spellplague, 100 years on) Realms.
And, yes, Wooly, Ed Waterdeep documents, covering everything from where the latest chamberpot emptying goes (and how it gets there) to the latest club fads and fashions, with stops along the way for within-guild fights and the feuds and behind-closed-doors deeds of many noble families, are pure gold.
love,
THO
Gods, I would pay to read that, even in rough note form! |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 14:02:03
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
This does kind of sort of shed some light on Steven's next book being called "Blackstaff Tower," I guess . . . 
How so, he wonders aloud?
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 15:05:54
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
This does kind of sort of shed some light on Steven's next book being called "Blackstaff Tower," I guess . . .
How so, he wonders aloud?
Steven
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 15:23:13
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
All I am saying is that if something is an opinion, don't state it as fact. If it is fact, then back it up.
I understand your point of view, and respect it. My response was a poor attempt at trying to illustrate that we're way past the "wait and see" point at this time. The 1479 DR preview we just got should be enough to illustrate what the post-Spellplague Realms will be. If one is not satisfied with this preview, I would recommend he/she does not set himself up for disappointment when the official book is released. Like I've been saying before -- and this goes hand in hand with your fact-based assessment of the situation -- we have internet sources and GHotR to provide us the future "canon" of the Realms at this point, so the "wait and see before complaining" argument is ill-advised at this point, and if complaining loudly offers a small chance to mitigate some of the damage, I say plug-in that speakerphone Major!
Do you also pick which political candidate you'll vote for, based solely on their commercials? Because that's what you're talking about doing here -- basing the decision on whether or not to buy an entire product line based on a page and a half of text. That's not making an informed decision.
I try my best not to make any decisions until I have all of the info. And that's what I'm continuing to advocate. Sure, I have finally started to come down on the nay-sayer side, because of this preview, but I'm still going to give the FRCG a fair shake. That may be the last new Realms product I buy, but I feel that I owe it to the setting to at least give it a shot. |
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