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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 17 Feb 2008 : 23:26:27
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Wow... it's been 4 years since I've visited this forum and when I return I find everything going crazy. Lol.
Greetings to you again DDH! Welcome back to Candlekeep. 
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4E? Oh man, I've only been keeping track with the novels and haven't heard too much about 4E. Could anyone explain to me what's happening with the new edition and why the huge jump 100 years into the future?
You probably want to pick up a copy of Grand History of the Realms if you have not done so already, as it contains a few tidbits that lay the foundation for the change-over to 4e FR. Additionally, the "Countdown to the Realms" series for the online DRAGON Magazine will also prove somewhat informative.
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 18 Feb 2008 : 00:16:58
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Thanks for the greeting, Sage. It's good to be back.
It's funny, just as I was reading your post I was also reading my newly purchased copy of GHotR. Lol. Haven't gotten to any tidbits on the 4E change yet so don't anything for me. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 10:06:59
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Wow... it's been 4 years since I've visited this forum and when I return I find everything going crazy. Lol.
4E? Oh man, I've only been keeping track with the novels and haven't heard too much about 4E. Could anyone explain to me what's happening with the new edition and why the huge jump 100 years into the future?
So much has been written about it by now that I think it would be far more fruitful for you to read the 4E threads in the WotC News and Releases forum.
Are the "Countdown to the Realms" articles they only info we've had on 4E FR so far? (I mean, beside what was also published in "Grand History of the Realms") |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
143 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 10:29:27
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I'd like to know if we are going to see any offspring of current "Realms-people of power".
Is Azoun V still alive? Is Morngrym Amcathras child still alive? Does El and Simbul have children? What about the child of Sharantyr of the Rangers Three (was supposed to become a new Chosen of Mystra)? What about the child of Vangerdahast? I know they would be very old but I still would like to see them. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 11:10:20
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Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet
I'd like to know if we are going to see any offspring of current "Realms-people of power".
Is Azoun V still alive? Is Morngrym Amcathras child still alive? Does El and Simbul have children? What about the child of Sharantyr of the Rangers Three (was supposed to become a new Chosen of Mystra)? What about the child of Vangerdahast? I know they would be very old but I still would like to see them.
Prolly not. Kids of existing characters would be an extension of current canon, and that would violate the fresh start part of moving the timeline forward so far. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 12:57:27
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Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet
Is Azoun V still alive?
I don't think so. He's apparently dead by the time of 1479 DR. His son, Foril, is King of Cormyr.
From the 'Year of the Ageless' article:-
"Azoun V, born in the troubling times at the end of his grandfather’s reign, went on to become a just, wise, and long-lived ruler. Under his rule Cormyr quickly recovered from the chaos of the Plague Years. Azoun V successfully resisted Netheril’s efforts to bring Cormyr under its domionion, and he fought Netherese-sponsored Sembia to a stalemate in a war 40 years ago, preserving Cormyr from Sembia’s fate. Late in his reign, Azoun V enacted a new code of laws that restrained the power of Cormyr’s restless nobility and established rights for commoners oppressed by nobles. His son Foril is now king of Cormyr." |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 16:53:09
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Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet
What about the child of Sharantyr of the Rangers Three (was supposed to become a new Chosen of Mystra)?
The child of Sharantyr was never "supposed" to become a Chosen of Mystra, that is just one interpretation of the interest Mystra took in her.
Just because Mystra takes a special interest in someone doesn't mean they are slated to be a Chosen. There are plenty of other ways to serve the Goddess of Magic. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 16:54:37
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Are the "Countdown to the Realms" articles they only info we've had on 4E FR so far? (I mean, beside what was also published in "Grand History of the Realms")
Mainly, yes. Although, I think Rich's thread on the WotC forums is also a reliable source of information. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 17:03:33
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Are the "Countdown to the Realms" articles they only info we've had on 4E FR so far? (I mean, beside what was also published in "Grand History of the Realms")
Mainly, yes. Although, I think Rich's thread on the WotC forums is also a reliable source of information.
... And to reiterate, he has asked that his posts on that forum not be copied elsewhere. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1715 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 15:43:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet
I'd like to know if we are going to see any offspring of current "Realms-people of power".
Is Azoun V still alive? Is Morngrym Amcathras child still alive? Does El and Simbul have children? What about the child of Sharantyr of the Rangers Three (was supposed to become a new Chosen of Mystra)? What about the child of Vangerdahast? I know they would be very old but I still would like to see them.
Prolly not. Kids of existing characters would be an extension of current canon, and that would violate the fresh start part of moving the timeline forward so far.
You'll meet the sons of two very important couples in BLACKSTAFF TOWER. I won't promise that they're alive, but they're in there. 
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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 15:45:20
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet
I'd like to know if we are going to see any offspring of current "Realms-people of power".
Is Azoun V still alive? Is Morngrym Amcathras child still alive? Does El and Simbul have children? What about the child of Sharantyr of the Rangers Three (was supposed to become a new Chosen of Mystra)? What about the child of Vangerdahast? I know they would be very old but I still would like to see them.
Prolly not. Kids of existing characters would be an extension of current canon, and that would violate the fresh start part of moving the timeline forward so far.
You'll meet the sons of two very important couples in BLACKSTAFF TOWER. I won't promise that they're alive, but they're in there.
Steven
Yeah, but being dead in the realms haven't stopped anyone from continuing with their lives in the realms, ne? |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 15:52:04
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Originally posted by Foxhelm
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet
I'd like to know if we are going to see any offspring of current "Realms-people of power".
Is Azoun V still alive? Is Morngrym Amcathras child still alive? Does El and Simbul have children? What about the child of Sharantyr of the Rangers Three (was supposed to become a new Chosen of Mystra)? What about the child of Vangerdahast? I know they would be very old but I still would like to see them.
Prolly not. Kids of existing characters would be an extension of current canon, and that would violate the fresh start part of moving the timeline forward so far.
You'll meet the sons of two very important couples in BLACKSTAFF TOWER. I won't promise that they're alive, but they're in there.
Steven
Yeah, but being dead in the realms haven't stopped anyone from continuing with their lives in the realms, ne?
No more than it does in Joss Whedon's universes. 
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 21:46:28
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Originally posted by crazedventurers
As a long time gamer I welcome new DM's and players into the fold, as it keeps the hobby alive.
New & old DM's all make errors, the errors are not important, it is the participation with fellow human beings face to face that IS important IMHO.
I doubt very much I will buy much of 4E Realms stuff (I think I have four 3.x FR specific products) as I don't see myself running 4E, but if 4E means new players and new DM's then that can only be a positive thing for the future of the hobby. Alas, like others here, I don't think that 4E will do this, 'kids' don't seem to want to sit around and play games anymore unless it is on a computer (generalising here! based from my experiences working in education and as someone nearing 40 who has friends who have kids of the teen age range).
I think that WoTC need to get this change to 4E really correct to get the kids interested and to properly market it to them as well. There are too many other forms of 'interactive' entertainment out there for WoTC to see this as a 'given'. I fear this is the last throw of the dice for WoTC to generate substantial sales to the emerging teen market, I have no doubt that many of the 3E generation will switch, but WoTC need new 'blood' for long term viability, not just keeping their current customers buying products, as they tend to get more choosey in time and need less 'splat books' etc as they have a previous edition sitting on their shelf which does the job instead.
Just my thoughts
Damian
WotC is not great, and really never has been, great at getting new players to D&D. That's always been the job of the D&D gamers themselves for the past 30+ years D&D has been in existence.
What gets new players to D&D is simple and it's worked for me for many years. You invite your friends over to play. Whether they're newly met or people you've been friends with for year, you simply invite them to play.
That's how you introduce D&D to people. I really don't see any other way for it to be other than massive amounts of advertisement spread throughout many venues (which WotC has never done in the years it's had D&D under its control).
I honestly don't want a ton of new players with 4th Edition D&D. I believe they'll miss out on D&D's true roots if they miss out on 1e, 2e, or 3e. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 23:26:35
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
You'll meet the sons of two very important couples in BLACKSTAFF TOWER. I won't promise that they're alive, but they're in there.
Woot! I can't wait to see what we'll learn.
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Zorro
Seeker
Germany
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 23:47:21
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Originally posted by Razz
I honestly don't want a ton of new players with 4th Edition D&D. I believe they'll miss out on D&D's true roots if they miss out on 1e, 2e, or 3e.
Come again???
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 00:04:52
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I can't believe Sage just said "woot!".
I guess I just think of him as more of the reserved type. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31777 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 00:23:18
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I apologise for the slip Rino. But I've been programming and de-bugging for nearly 12 hours straight.
I don't like to use what is commonly regarded as "internet slang," though, I guess I'm more tired than I thought if "woot!" slipped through.
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Dart Ambermoon
Learned Scribe
Germany
253 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 00:29:36
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| Figures that only Steven Schend himself can get me interested in anything post-Spellplage in the Realms. Here I´m sitting, at peace with my disgust, and then he has to pop along...hrmph. But seriously, this coming novel is my only "point of light" so far. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 02:23:25
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Originally posted by The Sage
I apologise for the slip Rino. But I've been programming and de-bugging for nearly 12 hours straight.
I don't like to use what is commonly regarded as "internet slang," though, I guess I'm more tired than I thought if "woot!" slipped through.
*laughs* No need to apologize, I thought it was FUNNY! |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 02:24:13
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Originally posted by Dart Ambermoon
Figures that only Steven Schend himself can get me interested in anything post-Spellplage in the Realms. Here I´m sitting, at peace with my disgust, and then he has to pop along...hrmph. But seriously, this coming novel is my only "point of light" so far.
Heh! I'm looking forward to it, myself. |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
143 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 09:26:44
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I'm sure all of us want to know (even though none has asked) if Candlekeep exists post-Spellplague and are there any changes to our favourite library.
I can only think in horror what it would mean to this website if Candlekeep was destroyed   |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 13:35:54
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| Destroy Candlekeep you say!? Never! Fear not, Candlekeep yet stands in the Year of the Ageless One. In fact I believe you're going to see a really nice picture of it in the FRCG. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 15:25:56
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Destroy Candlekeep you say!? Never! Fear not, Candlekeep yet stands in the Year of the Ageless One. In fact I believe you're going to see a really nice picture of it in the FRCG.
Brian has done a pretty good job of making me interested in the 4e Realms, if for no other reason than he and Ed are trying to make it a sandbox we will enjoy playing in, even if it is not the same old sandbox we loved to play in. Anyways, anticipating reading the FRCG at the local Borders in August, but beyond that, little in the way of enthusiasm for the new setting. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 17:20:14
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Destroy Candlekeep you say!? Never! Fear not, Candlekeep yet stands in the Year of the Ageless One. In fact I believe you're going to see a really nice picture of it in the FRCG.
Well, that's certainly nice to know. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31777 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 23:20:26
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Destroy Candlekeep you say!? Never! Fear not, Candlekeep yet stands in the Year of the Ageless One. In fact I believe you're going to see a really nice picture of it in the FRCG.
I assume that means we can expect a nice little lore update for it as well?
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 00:12:41
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| Unfortunately no Sage. The keep is mentioned only in passing (and only because I wanted a confirmation of its existence at the very least). |
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Procrastinator Most High
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Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Mar 2008 : 06:16:52
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Are the "Countdown to the Realms" articles they only info we've had on 4E FR so far? (I mean, beside what was also published in "Grand History of the Realms")
Mainly, yes. Although, I think Rich's thread on the WotC forums is also a reliable source of information.
... And to reiterate, he has asked that his posts on that forum not be copied elsewhere.
-Hence the reason I quit posting his little tid-bits over at enworld. I let some other people post his stuff. I can respect the mans wishes even if other people cant. I go by Spectre666 at enworld.
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Athairgi_the_Child-Eater
Acolyte
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Posted - 10 Apr 2008 : 13:57:04
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Methinks that I be using the 'Classic' rather than the 4th edition Realms...
Why?
-Several decades of Lore to pick from.
-All my previous chronologies(campaigns, if you will) played out in the old world.
-Lack of world-shattering Spellplague event(In order to lure the MMO-children into DnD. Fully understandable, since business is business, but I find it outrageously horrid, never the less.)...
-Lack of a 100-year time jump(Hmm... 40 years of NPC's, locales, et cetera... All faded into nothingness. Replaced by the dragonborn freaks? No thanks. I'll pass.).
-Less 'cool'.
-Wasn't the 5th edition around the corner? Bah, I'd rather stick with the previous ones.
-MMO-inspired system(It should be so simple to understand, that anyone could play it! Understandable, since more buyers mean more coins, but... Urgh.)
...Just telling you how I feel about the $th edition, nothing more. If you like buying a whole new set of shiny books, I'm not stopping you! |
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Ithil
Acolyte
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Posted - 10 Apr 2008 : 14:12:39
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I am very enthusiastic about the 4th Edition Realms update. Blasphemy? Well, maybe, but I'll accept that. I have at least one good reason for the adoption. I'm looking to build a new campaign with old (familiar, experienced) players. One of the concepts I usually bring to the fore in my campaign are secrets that the party learns. Lost lore, new villains, secret societies, etc. The current Realms has plenty to spare, but the updated Realms will be completely fresh yet familiar. Plus, I don't have the time I used to have to fill in campaign holes as well as designing my adventures. The newer Realms offers that for me. I figure, why not use the resources at WotC's disposal to fill in the gaps I have? My free time is certainly better spent designing a great adventure rather than working to convert old Realms to 4th rules.
And that is the other consideration. My fellow players and I are very much looking forward to trying the 4th Edition ruleset. Another in the group will run the "generic" modules for us to playtest and learn the system, while my campaign will offer more devout roleplaying and deeper plots. But we all intend to shift to the newer ruleset.
Am I anxious about the Realms? Certainly. I have very few preconceptions about the plans and designs WotC writers have for the world. But I trust them to make at least a few good decisions. After all, I highly respect the designers in charge of the projects.
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