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MerrikCale
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 Posted - 03 Jun 2008 : 02:54:00
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Originally posted by The Grumpy Celt
Just to flog the dead horse a bit more….
It has occurred to me that Paramount updated the Star Trek Universe by 80 years without all saying the Federation had been conquered or all having most of the interesting planets bombed into asteroids.
Why isn’t the WotC update of FR handled as deftly?
well, thats true. Of course, Star Trek didn't have to force feed you a new magic system |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 05:13:12
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| According to the June and beyond previews, the new FRCG will have a glossary of FR specific terms. While some of them had to do with the 4e Spellplague lands and conditions, there were also a few general slang terms used in Faerun in the list that they previewed. I hate to say this, but if the list is extensive enough and has enough non Spellplague, not changed much from the current era slang, it might be worth it just for that glossary . . . |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 10:12:06
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I saw few days ago a short list of FR new terms. I dealt with words as Spellplague, Changeland, Plaguetouched, hawksnarl, Earthmote,... There was only round ten terms described.
It was in an article about the publihing of the next FRCG. I believe it was in the WotC website but I cannot remember the adress.
Does someone know about such a list, a longer one ? |
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Kyrene
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 10:39:19
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Originally posted by Fillow
There was only round ten terms described.
That is because it was merely a preview of what is in the new FRCG. Hopefully the actual list in the FRCG is more comprehensive. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 11:55:15
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Originally posted by Fillow
I saw few days ago a short list of FR new terms. I dealt with words as Spellplague, Changeland, Plaguetouched, hawksnarl, Earthmote,... There was only round ten terms described.
It was in an article about the publihing of the next FRCG. I believe it was in the WotC website but I cannot remember the adress.
Does someone know about such a list, a longer one ?
That is the entire list found in the June and beyond preview article over at WotC:
* changelands: A generic term for a piece of terrain that clearly doesn't fit in with the surrounding terrain, likely due to the Spellplague.
* earthmote: A floating chunk of landscape hanging in the sky.
* earth node: A place where magical power is concentrated.
* Faerie: another name for the Feywild.
* forestmote: An earthmote covered with forest.
* gulletfire: bad beer or wine.
* hawksnarl: A man who’s always yelling or blustering, or is nastier or more aggressive than prudent or necessary (more strongly: “a real hawksnarl”).
* mythal: A permanent, site-based enchantment of powerful fey magic.
* plagueland: A generic term describing anyplace where active Spellplague yet burns.
* plaguechanged: The term for creatures touched by the first wave of Spellplague in the Year of Blue Fire; usually horrible monsters.
* Plaguewrought Land, the: A specific location, the largest plagueland in Faerűn. prairiemote: An earthmote covered in tall grass.
* Returned Abeir: The continent that was fused to Toril west of the Trackless Sea.
* scorchkettle: A woman who delivers impressively blistering words to someone in public; see also “hawksnarl.”
* sellsword: A well-established or veteran mercenary, or one of impressive reputation.
* Spellplague, the: The event in 1385 DR resulting from Mystra’s death that altered magic and the world forever.
* spellscar: A brand of blue fire that grants an ability, usually beneficial, but with some negative aspect.
* spellscarred: The term for a creature (usually humanoid) touched by later, less virulent strains of the Spellplague and possessing a spellscar.
* throatslake: Anything drinkable that takes care of thirst and doesn’t cause illness in doing so, but isn’t particularly pleasant.
* watermote: An earthmote that contains a large water feature.
* Weave, the: A term for magic; once used to mean magic mediated by Mystra.
Mythals are now 'places of Fey magic'! Mhmh! HearHear! And finally we have a definition for 'the Weave' in that list!
But who is this 'Mystra'? 
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 12:05:44
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 12:45:53
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Indeed, the the two new FR campaign guides look interesting. I will seriously consider buying them, if only to learn how grave the damage is they afflicted the reams with.
By two you mean the Campaign Setting and the Players Guide? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 13:42:21
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I recognize at least one or two of those words from prior replies from Ed...
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 15:44:00
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
it is exactly what destroyed the X-books from Marvel. Every summer was a major crossover event with special covers, etc etc. It got old and the books burned out
Except that now Marvel Comics is doing that with every title, not just the X-Drek. Remember Civil War? |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 15:57:08
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Originally posted by Ardashir
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
it is exactly what destroyed the X-books from Marvel. Every summer was a major crossover event with special covers, etc etc. It got old and the books burned out
Except that now Marvel Comics is doing that with every title, not just the X-Drek. Remember Civil War?
Avengers Disassembled, House of M, Civil war, World war hulk, Messiah CompleX, Secret invasion....
And then we have the Realms: the return of shade, the rage, the demonfey, and countless other RSE'es. Anyone notice the similarities? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 16:09:37
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Originally posted by khorne
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Originally posted by Ardashir
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
it is exactly what destroyed the X-books from Marvel. Every summer was a major crossover event with special covers, etc etc. It got old and the books burned out
Except that now Marvel Comics is doing that with every title, not just the X-Drek. Remember Civil War?
Avengers Disassembled, House of M, Civil war, World war hulk, Messiah CompleX, Secret invasion....
And then we have the Realms: the return of shade, the rage, the demonfey, and countless other RSE'es. Anyone notice the similarities?
Yeah, but all the 3E RSEs had one thing in common: for supposedly Realms-shaking events, they had very little impact on any area beyond the focal point, and even within that area, the effects were often forgotten in mere months. |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 16:39:31
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Indeed, the the two new FR campaign guides look interesting. I will seriously consider buying them, if only to learn how grave the damage is they afflicted the reams with.
By two you mean the Campaign Setting and the Players Guide?
This is correct. From what I get from the preview, the FRCG is incomplete concerning the new 4th ed realms lore. (And again: what was formerly contained in one book, is now broken up in two). |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 17:39:22
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by khorne
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Originally posted by Ardashir
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
it is exactly what destroyed the X-books from Marvel. Every summer was a major crossover event with special covers, etc etc. It got old and the books burned out
Except that now Marvel Comics is doing that with every title, not just the X-Drek. Remember Civil War?
Avengers Disassembled, House of M, Civil war, World war hulk, Messiah CompleX, Secret invasion....
And then we have the Realms: the return of shade, the rage, the demonfey, and countless other RSE'es. Anyone notice the similarities?
Yeah, but all the 3E RSEs had one thing in common: for supposedly Realms-shaking events, they had very little impact on any area beyond the focal point, and even within that area, the effects were often forgotten in mere months.
thats also pretty tru with every Marvel crossover. Within a few years, they chnage everything again anyway |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 18:05:55
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
thats also pretty tru with every Marvel crossover. Within a few years, they chnage everything again anyway
Yeah, but their effects at least last beyond the story arc, unlike most of the 3E RSEs. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 21:10:28
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
According to the June and beyond previews, the new FRCG will have a glossary of FR specific terms. While some of them had to do with the 4e Spellplague lands and conditions, there were also a few general slang terms used in Faerun in the list that they previewed. I hate to say this, but if the list is extensive enough and has enough non Spellplague, not changed much from the current era slang, it might be worth it just for that glossary . . .
Yeah, some of the words seemed worthwhile. I thought a lot of them were stupid, though, like anything-mote and "Returned Abeir". I don't think words like "earth mote" are setting specific, and there isn't anything specifically Realmsian about the term "Returned Abeir". |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jun 2008 : 23:07:36
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I know that Faraer has been working on a Realms Glossary for some time which I'm sure will be superior to any sidebar they put in the FRCG. I too have dabbled with one and have collected terms throughout the sources but have become unsure regarding layout. A straight alphabetical glossary appears the most simple way to go but I'm unsure whether it will have the best utility. When I try to break it down into sub-categories I find that the potential number of these is daunting. And then I also find myself making individual lists for everything from food to poems!
I'm sure I'll have a workable version in a decade or so.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Jun 2008 : 01:30:36
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
thats also pretty tru with every Marvel crossover. Within a few years, they chnage everything again anyway
That's not entirely true. Even "ancient" events like the X-Tinction Agenda and the Mutant Massacre, still have an effect on portions of the Marvel Universe. And the current story-arc, Secret Invasion, was partly brought about by some of the decisions made during the "Kree-Skrull War" and Operation: Galactic Storm. So I do agree with Wooly's point about the temporality of 3e RSEs. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Jun 2008 : 01:32:48
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I know that Faraer has been working on a Realms Glossary for some time which I'm sure will be superior to any sidebar they put in the FRCG. I too have dabbled with one and have collected terms throughout the sources but have become unsure regarding layout.
I think we all have at some point. I know my own glossary, which is lingering deep down among the depths of my "To-Do List," is fairly comprehensive, reaching back to Realms-specific terms included in the Ol' Grey Box. I've not updated it in quite a while though, so I'm missing important references made from about 2005 to today.
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Jun 2008 : 01:49:52
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
thats also pretty tru with every Marvel crossover. Within a few years, they chnage everything again anyway
That's not entirely true. Even "ancient" events like the X-Tinction Agenda and the Mutant Massacre, still have an effect on portions of the Marvel Universe. And the current story-arc, Secret Invasion, was partly brought about by some of the decisions made during the "Kree-Skrull War" and Operation: Galactic Storm. So I do agree with Wooly's point about the temporality of 3e RSEs.
thinking about I suppose thats true. I remember Operation Galactic Storm. I remember the big deal they made about how some members killed the Supreme Intelligence and how that would change the team forever. Of course, within a couple of issues, it was irrelevant. Heck old SI was still alive
Plus, nobody stays dead in comics. As soon as the next writer says, hey I think we need to bring back Steve Rogers they will
But you cite example examples |
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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Jun 2008 : 02:26:23
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Heh. I was also going to bring up the changes wrought by the "One More Day"/"Brand New Day" story-arcs for SPIDER-MAN. But that's likely to trigger an entire series of off-topic posts. So we'll leave it at that.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2008 : 03:42:01
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
Plus, nobody stays dead in comics. As soon as the next writer says, hey I think we need to bring back Steve Rogers they will
Except for one person who not only had the perfect obscure death, but for whom fans were clamoring for years afterward, asking them to bring back: Blink. Unlike so many other deaths, we had no body, no death scene, no proof that she was dead. She suddenly went offscreen, and they said she was dead. So the one time that someone could have been brought back with no effort, they refused. 
Of course, the Realms has had plenty of folks wander thru the Revolving Pearly Gates more than once, but they're not as bad as comics are about it.
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 10 Jun 2008 : 03:45:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
Plus, nobody stays dead in comics. As soon as the next writer says, hey I think we need to bring back Steve Rogers they will
Except for one person who not only had the perfect obscure death, but for whom fans were clamoring for years afterward, asking them to bring back: Blink. Unlike so many other deaths, we had no body, no death scene, no proof that she was dead. She suddenly went offscreen, and they said she was dead. So the one time that someone could have been brought back with no effort, they refused.
Of course, the Realms has had plenty of folks wander thru the Revolving Pearly Gates more than once, but they're not as bad as comics are about it.
See I thought you were gonna say Ben Parker. But yeah, I suppose someday someone will bring back Blink although I suppose the more time lapses the less likely it becomes
and Brand new day is just an example of what I said before, the wonderful "about face" that comics like to do |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36971 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2008 : 04:44:27
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Originally posted by Fillow
And what about my question ? 
Hey, quit interrupting our thread-jacking! 
If you're still curious about the artwork, you may have to wait until the book is actually out to see who did it. I've not seen any notation of the artist, and the recent preview blurb is back to showing the cover we were told is a placeholder. |
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Fillow
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Posted - 10 Jun 2008 : 12:49:27
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Hey, quit interrupting our thread-jacking!
If you're still curious about the artwork, you may have to wait until the book is actually out to see who did it. I've not seen any notation of the artist, and the recent preview blurb is back to showing the cover we were told is a placeholder.
I know I ask a lot of question a day Wooly. Maybe too much.
But the last one did not deal with the artist of the FRCG cover !
It was this one :
About the Changelands, I saw in Swordmage that it was parts of Abeir which came out of the grounds of Toril to join the both... or something like that...
Did I understand in the good way ?
Thanks a lot to all of you fellow scribes. You help me very so much to understand the Realms. Really.
N.B. : my "And what about my question ?" post was a funny / joking / light one. I did not want to be unpleasant.
Excuse-me if I was misunderstood. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36971 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2008 : 13:21:02
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Originally posted by Fillow
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Hey, quit interrupting our thread-jacking!
If you're still curious about the artwork, you may have to wait until the book is actually out to see who did it. I've not seen any notation of the artist, and the recent preview blurb is back to showing the cover we were told is a placeholder.
I know I ask a lot of question a day Wooly. Maybe too much.
But the last one did not deal with the artist of the FRCG cover !
It was this one :
About the Changelands, I saw in Swordmage that it was parts of Abeir which came out of the grounds of Toril to join the both... or something like that...
Did I understand in the good way ?
Thanks a lot to all of you fellow scribes. You help me very so much to understand the Realms. Really.
N.B. : my "And what about my question ?" post was a funny / joking / light one. I did not want to be unpleasant.
Excuse-me if I was misunderstood.
Oh, I don't know about the Swordmage thing; I've yet to acquire that book. And my response to "what about my question?" was also a joke. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Jun 2008 : 13:39:55
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Originally posted by Fillow
About the Changelands, I saw in Swordmage that it was parts of Abeir which came out of the grounds of Toril to join the both... or something like that...
You might want to ask Rich Baker himself about that one. |
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scererar
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Posted - 11 Jun 2008 : 02:13:24
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Originally posted by Fillow
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
That is the entire list found in the June and beyond preview article over at WotC:
Thanks Erg'
That's the list I talked about ! I forgot there were more than 10 terms !
I translated it into a French website but I was asked for more...
About the Changelands, I saw in Swordmage that it was parts of Abeir which came out of the grounds of Toril to join the both... or something like that...
Right ?
from what I understood from the novel yes. I took it that many of the changeland features were actually portions of returned Abeir, merging with Toril. |
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