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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
USA
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 Posted - 17 Dec 2007 : 10:31:52
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I actually wouldn't be surprised if it's not a "new" town. Perhaps New Tilverton? Cormyr with it's knights, Sembia with it's merchants, the Dales and the Auroch (Anourach, Aunorach, Ana-wanna-ding-dong-boom-sha-boom) right there. It's a good place to locate everything in the whole Points of Light concept. It would also stick with the whole "We don't want to touch anything old, because Old is Bad" mentality they seem to have at Hasbro(WotC).
I'm also glad that the cover's just a place holder. (Odds are, in my opinion, that it wasn't going to be a place holder, but there was such an outcry, they changed it.) |
"Man does not live by bread alone, likewise, blades and arrows aren't the only things that can kill him." |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 17 Dec 2007 : 15:07:10
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On the WotC boards, I jokingly guessed that the sample town would be Mithral Hall, based on the placeholder cover.  Or, some town from that new orc kingdom. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2007 : 18:25:29
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Why don't they just rename it all "Drizzt World"?
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2007 : 19:02:40
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
Why don't they just rename it all "Drizzt World"?
That's what some people were saying. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2007 : 22:21:21
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Originally posted by Faraer
Wizards is, as we know, celebrating Drizzt's 20th anniversary but ignored the Realms' doubled one.
[sarcasm]Well, it is kinda insidious to celebrate someone's birthday and then stab them in the back. But then you might ask, "If Cyric would do it, why hasn't WotC?"[/sarcasm] |
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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
USA
89 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2007 : 07:23:56
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Oooh.... there's a new product WotC should put out! Just in time for the holidays those plastic "gummy" wristbands in three delectiable versions...
1) WWCD- What Would Cyric Do?
2) WWBD- What Would Bane Do?
3) WWYP4- What Would You Pay For...?
Ta-dah! |
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RodOdom
Senior Scribe
USA
509 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2007 : 15:30:44
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A couple weeks ago in a bookstore a chatty fellow shopper showed me the Drizzt boxed set he was looking for. I showed him my selection: Ed Greenwood's new Dark Lord hardcover. "Who's he?" the guy asks. I explained Greenwood is the creator of the Forgotten Realms. The look on his face told me he still couldn't make the connection between Drizzt and Ed.
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2007 : 20:00:47
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quote:
Originally posted by RodOdom
A couple weeks ago in a bookstore a chatty fellow shopper showed me the Drizzt boxed set he was looking for. I showed him my selection: Ed Greenwood's new Dark Lord hardcover. "Who's he?" the guy asks. I explained Greenwood is the creator of the Forgotten Realms. The look on his face told me he still couldn't make the connection between Drizzt and Ed.
'Tis a sad world we live in... |
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The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
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* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
USA
89 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2007 : 08:58:12
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| Say, has anyone heard the status of Smokepowder weapons in the new FR? Just wondering if that's been addressed anywhere. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2007 : 14:48:20
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Originally posted by ShepherdGunn
Say, has anyone heard the status of Smokepowder weapons in the new FR? Just wondering if that's been addressed anywhere.
I'm pretty sure Rich Baker addressed this, saying that smokepowder weapons won't become more prominent or more emphasized in the 4E Realms. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
USA
89 Posts |
Posted - 27 Dec 2007 : 07:09:47
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| I don't know... sounds like a standard progression when you have a God of Invention. Guns, unfortunately, is a natural development of technology. Can't have a Dark Ages all the time. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2007 : 14:50:46
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Originally posted by ShepherdGunn
I don't know... sounds like a standard progression when you have a God of Invention. Guns, unfortunately, is a natural development of technology.
Not sure if they can be called a "natural development of technology". That kind of implies that the invention of guns is inevitable in any second world setting.
To be fair, though, they do already exist in the Realms. But I'm happy that they aren't going to be emphasized, either. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 28 Dec 2007 14:51:22 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2007 : 15:34:05
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I never had a problem with guns or smokepowder, but that's mainly because its not as efficient as magic or alchemical solutions to most problems, and unless something really bad happens to magic to make it less powerful or less reliable, it shouldn't become more prevalent or more efficient.
Oh, wait . . .
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Mazrim_Taim
Learned Scribe
341 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2007 : 19:14:31
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I never had a problem with guns or smokepowder, but that's mainly because its not as efficient as magic or alchemical solutions to most problems, and unless something really bad happens to magic to make it less powerful or less reliable, it shouldn't become more prevalent or more efficient.
Oh, wait . . .
Mystra and magic out. Gond and guns in.  |
And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, “he” will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who ‘celebrate’ after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, I’d be wondering: “Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE you’re adventurers?” -Ed Greenwood
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2007 : 19:40:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I never had a problem with guns or smokepowder, but that's mainly because its not as efficient as magic or alchemical solutions to most problems, and unless something really bad happens to magic to make it less powerful or less reliable, it shouldn't become more prevalent or more efficient.
Oh, wait . . .
Mystra and magic out. Gond and guns in.
Well, Rich has said pretty clearly that they aren't interested in focusing on smokepowder weapons, so I don't think they will become more prevalent. However, the Spellplague would actually be the perfect reason for them to become more prevalent. It would actually be kind of logical.
Thankfully, logic has no place in 4th edition development . . .  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2007 : 20:20:33
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Thankfully, logic has no place in 4th edition development . . .
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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
USA
89 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 12:38:15
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Here, here! The more I read the 4E stuff, the more I hope all my misgivings are wrong. I know a lot of people are saying that they're just going to get the realms books for the lore. I'm thinking I may end up falling into that boat as well. I've been working on a new campaign setting for Spacemaster, and spending a lot of time looking over the Spacemaster and RoleMaster rules. Despite the huge investment I'll have to put into Higher Math concepts, I'm starting to debate running the Forgotten Realms using the RoleMaster rules. LOL
I looked at the responses to Bruce Cordell's last Gleemax post, and I'm kinda starting to feel sorry for the Developers. It seems they can't open their mouths without something that people are not pleased with. It's kind of making me hope that 4E is an amazing product and we're all just fearful of change. Unfortunately, my natural cynicism is still winning out over the tender hearted gamer. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 18:59:15
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Well, not all change is good.
Also, I'm not sure if I'm going to get the 4E FR books, because I feel then I'll be "voting" with my dollar for changes I dislike. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 19:48:23
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There are two quite different meanings of 'change' here. Something changing, of its own accord and from its own nature, is not the same thing as being changed from without, and to accord with purposes outside of itself. And being sceptical (in the legitimate, not the 'debunking' sense) of the second doesn't mean at all that one is fearful of the first. That's the equivocation fallacy -- quote:
Everything that runs has feet.
The river runs.
Therefore the river has feet.
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 20:30:47
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i think the original is
quote:
mom can't fly
a stone can't fly
therefore mom is a stone
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what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 21:06:25
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I don't fear change. In fact, I have embraced many of the changes wrought upon the Realms over the years. What I fear is the Realms becoming something only vaguely recognizable to long-term fans. I'm still willing to give 4E FR a shot, but I don't like some of the changes we already know are coming -- and I fear some of the changes that are rumored to be coming.
As long as I can recognize the setting as the same one I fell in love with 10 or so years ago, I'll be happy. I just fear that I won't be able to recognize it, and that I'll be looking at a different beast with a similar name. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Master of Realmslore
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2008 : 20:51:04
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| It might be that no one knows who the artist is. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
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* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2008 : 21:44:45
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Yes, that IS the REAL cover.
The one with Drizzt was only a place-holder.
I have asked over at the WotC boards about who the artist is, but I received no response.
It's a picture of a Shade doing Shadow Magic astride a Shadow Dragon over the city of Shade.
Yup... that about says it all right thar.... 
BTW, I happen to like the pic - its an excellent rendition of a Nazgul over Minas Tirith. |
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The Grumpy Celt
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 May 2008 : 01:51:21
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Just to flog the dead horse a bit more….
It has occurred to me that Paramount updated the Star Trek Universe by 80 years without all saying the Federation had been conquered or all having most of the interesting planets bombed into asteroids.
Why isn’t the WotC update of FR handled as deftly?
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Cyria
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Jun 2008 : 18:58:08
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Originally posted by Markustay
The one with Drizzt was only a place-holder.
I have asked over at the WotC boards about who the artist is, but I received no response.
It's a picture of a Shade doing Shadow Magic astride a Shadow Dragon over the city of Shade.
I'd rather have Drizzt. Whatever I may think of him, he started out as a character in a random D&D novel and has genuinely built his popularity over the years and books that followed. The Shades always struck me as artificially manufactured foes, a preview of the "Whoops, dragonborn here!" approach to remaking the Realms for 4E. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jun 2008 : 22:01:25
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| Drizzt would have been a wiser choice, IMO, since this way the book could appeal to non-gaming readers. But wisdom has been found lacking as of late with WotC |
Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware! |
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