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Brimstone
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 Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 19:49:10
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Originally posted by MarkustayWell, thats cool, I guess.
But I really wanted Anchorome... we already had a Maztica...
That means anyone staying with 3eFR will find NOTHING useful in the book. I was only going to buy it to use Ed's Anchorme in my 3e Realms.
Too bad. 
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 21:11:12
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Why not? If he is writing, I think that he is the creator!
Because it has nothing to do with his campaign the source of the Realms. Its basically just another campaign setting written by Ed. Which of course is all well and good, but has nothing to do with the Realms as originally envisioned |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 16:33:18
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Why not? If he is writing, I think that he is the creator!
Yeah, but Ed's published stuff focused almost entirely on the Heartlands. The New World-esque version of Maztica was not his doing. And now he's doing a replacement for it, which is still not the Heartlands he focused on.
Hopefully, the new lore will be original, unpublished Ed material. I'd far rather see what Ed originally intended for this area, rather than the "fill in this blank area, and make sure you include all this kewl stuff!" material that I expect to see. No disrespect to Ed, of course, but the days of traffic cops that truly understand the setting, like Jeff Grubb, are long gone. If we still had people like that, I'd be excited just to see anything by Ed. I hate the fact that he's now trying to smooth over other people's messes.
Exactly!
This resume my point. Maztica have nothing that connect it with the original Realms. Now, we have the chance to see what Ed want to show in that area.
I think that this is much better than the thinking that Ed is not creating stuff for his Realms.... itīs only a good ship travel far from the continent.   |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 18:12:04
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Why not? If he is writing, I think that he is the creator!
Yeah, but Ed's published stuff focused almost entirely on the Heartlands. The New World-esque version of Maztica was not his doing. And now he's doing a replacement for it, which is still not the Heartlands he focused on.
Hopefully, the new lore will be original, unpublished Ed material. I'd far rather see what Ed originally intended for this area, rather than the "fill in this blank area, and make sure you include all this kewl stuff!" material that I expect to see. No disrespect to Ed, of course, but the days of traffic cops that truly understand the setting, like Jeff Grubb, are long gone. If we still had people like that, I'd be excited just to see anything by Ed. I hate the fact that he's now trying to smooth over other people's messes.
Exactly!
This resume my point. Maztica have nothing that connect it with the original Realms. Now, we have the chance to see what Ed want to show in that area.
I think that this is much better than the thinking that Ed is not creating stuff for his Realms.... itīs only a good ship travel far from the continent.
Yeah, but we don't know that Ed is getting to do what he wants. He could be under constraints to have to use all the "kewl" stuff they're inflicting on the rest of the setting. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 19:00:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yeah, but we don't know that Ed is getting to do what he wants. He could be under constraints to have to use all the "kewl" stuff they're inflicting on the rest of the setting.
That was my thought as well. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 19:40:11
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Originally posted by Fillow
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yeah, but we don't know that Ed is getting to do what he wants. He could be under constraints to have to use all the "kewl" stuff they're inflicting on the rest of the setting.
I kow that I'm out-of-topic but I have another grammar question :
"kewl"?
What does it mean please ?
Thanks a lot.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 19:44:14
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Originally posted by Fillow
Thanks Brimstone.
Indeed, it was too obvious to be found by myself ! 
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 20:48:57
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Originally posted by Fillow
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yeah, but we don't know that Ed is getting to do what he wants. He could be under constraints to have to use all the "kewl" stuff they're inflicting on the rest of the setting.
I kow that I'm out-of-topic but I have another grammar question :
"kewl"?
What does it mean please ?
Thanks a lot.
-Kewl=cool =
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 21:27:50
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I've changed my mind - although I am dead-set against replacing Maztica with a continent from another world, I'm sure whatever Ed comes up with for the area will be wonderful... even if he was given a broad outline on what they wanted.
Ed can easily take s__t and turn it into Chocolate Mousse.
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Fillow
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 14:08:49
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 14:25:33
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Originally posted by Markustay
I've changed my mind - although I am dead-set against replacing Maztica with a continent from another world, I'm sure whatever Ed comes up with for the area will be wonderful... even if he was given a broad outline on what they wanted.
Ed can easily take s__t and turn it into Chocolate Mousse.
Bring on the 4e FRCG, I say, and have at thee!!!
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 15:45:28
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
This resume my point. Maztica have nothing that connect it with the original Realms. Now, we have the chance to see what Ed want to show in that area.
Well, Maztica is being replaced by "Returned Abeir", which probably isn't want Ed originally wanted for that area, as "Abeir" used to just be a part of the name of the planet, not a whole seperate place. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 15:48:14
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
This resume my point. Maztica have nothing that connect it with the original Realms. Now, we have the chance to see what Ed want to show in that area.
Well, Maztica is being replaced by "Returned Abeir", which probably isn't want Ed originally wanted for that area, as "Abeir" used to just be a part of the name of the planet, not a whole seperate place.
Maztica wasn't an ED creation anyway, right? In fact, I never really cared for it and this is low on my list of thinsg that bug me about 4E Realms |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 15:48:18
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Originally posted by Alisttair
So if Maztica is being replaced, is this a RSE or should I say a MSE taking place there to change it to what Ed originally thought up, or are they erasing Maztica from the lore completely, assuming it was never there in the first place??
It's all supposed to be part of what happened to the world as a result of the Spellplague, so it's not a retcon.
I wouldn't assume Returned Abeir is "what Ed originally thought up." |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 16:17:03
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
This resume my point. Maztica have nothing that connect it with the original Realms. Now, we have the chance to see what Ed want to show in that area.
Well, Maztica is being replaced by "Returned Abeir", which probably isn't want Ed originally wanted for that area, as "Abeir" used to just be a part of the name of the planet, not a whole seperate place.
Maztica wasn't an ED creation anyway, right? In fact, I never really cared for it and this is low on my list of thinsg that bug me about 4E Realms
I've got zero interest in Maztice, myself. But, regardless of who created it, it is an established place in the Realms. And for that reason, I object to seeing it blasted off the map.
And as for Ed writing about the replacement... Well, that could be quite cool. But I'd rather see him writing in the Heartlands -- his own playground, not one that was foisted off on him. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 16:23:58
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And as for Ed writing about the replacement... Well, that could be quite cool. But I'd rather see him writing in the Heartlands -- his own playground, not one that was foisted off on him.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 16:24:09
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
Maztica wasn't an ED creation anyway, right? In fact, I never really cared for it and this is low on my list of thinsg that bug me about 4E Realms
No, Maztica wasn't Ed's creation, and I wasn't a fan of the place myself. Still, I think WotC could have been...well, more subtle than literally replacing the whole thing. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 16:30:23
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| After a hundred years and with Helmsport and New Waterdeep and all, I think they could have "integrated" it better than being the "FR Aztec Place," without just "flipping" the continent with another world. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 16:37:35
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| Yeah, besides, there is more than enough un-detailed land on Toril that could have been used for this Abeir or what not. The more the merrier, and addition by substraction is something I'm not a big fan of. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 16:55:35
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| They also swapped out Unther for the silly plateau on which the Dragonborn (why reuse an old name? inconsistencies annoy the hell out of me) reside. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 17:03:16
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
Maztica wasn't an ED creation anyway, right?
Aye.
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In fact, I never really cared for it and this is low on my list of thinsg that bug me about 4E Realms
There were some aspects of the Maztica expansion that I found interesting enough -- but not something that I included in my Realms. Rather, elements of Maztica were employed in a alternate-Earth homebrew I ran in the late 90's. It was good stuff.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 19:08:41
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Lets just say that Maztica was never very good, but it had TONS of potential that just wasted away. I can see NO logical reason for replacing a region that had very little in the way of detail in the first place. Whatever Ed does with Maztica 2.0, I am sure he could have just as easily placed all of that in the old one - the place was barely explored. I'll have to wait and see what they've actually gone and done, but as of right now, this decision makes very little sense.
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
Maztica wasn't an ED creation anyway, right? In fact, I never really cared for it and this is low on my list of thinsg that bug me about 4E Realms
QFT.
Considering everything else that has happened, replacing a poorly-conceived continent like Maztica is the least of my worries. I would rather it was changed then replaced, but whatever the deal, I'm sure I can live with that one.
And I originally had 'Choclate Milk' in my analogy, but I thought it too childish and switched it to Mousse (the consistency worked better anyway). I'm not a fan of Mousse either, but I was attempting (and failing) to be poetic there.
And I still LOVE the idea of sticking the Flanaes in Anchorome's place.
It wouldn't even be a retcon* - the place received NO detail before, and neither did whatever was to the east of the Greyhawk's landmass. The two could easily be on the same planet, and the landmass below GH was identical (except in shape) to Maztica! I think that would have been the ultimate dream-come-true for this two-setting fan.
*EDIT: It would be a retcon for Spelljammer fans, though - I just thought about that. Probably Planscape fans as well. |
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Chyron
Learned Scribe
Hong Kong
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Posted - 03 Jul 2008 : 07:22:03
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So is this new realms going to take into account the cosmology and racial changes that take place in The Lady Penitant series?
Furthermore are we still dealing with a world tree? Or are we back to the wheel and Planescape style connections, etc? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Jul 2008 : 14:51:24
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Originally posted by Chyron
So is this new realms going to take into account the cosmology and racial changes that take place in The Lady Penitant series?
Absolutely.
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Furthermore are we still dealing with a world tree? Or are we back to the wheel and Planescape style connections, etc?
The Realms is going to use the new cosmological setup as used for the 4E "core setting" (the Feywild, the Shadowfell, the Astral Sea, the Elemental Chaos, the Far Realm). It differs from both the Tree and the Great Wheel. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Jul 2008 : 13:19:39
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[i]Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
The Realms is going to use the new cosmological setup as used for the 4E "core setting" (the Feywild, the Shadowfell, the Astral Sea, the Elemental Chaos, the Far Realm). It differs from both the Tree and the Great Wheel.
It seems very different. Plus, there is a Manual of the Planes coming out later this year |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 04 Jul 2008 : 14:59:50
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The wheel spun out of contol and went off the road, hitting the tree, and killing both.
I really like the new Cosmology, but I also really liked the Wheel, so I'm torn. Since Sigil is still around, hopefully the Outlands and Gatetowns will survive as well, so I won't have to choose (although it will be another retcon to swallow).
The tree was even starting to grow on me (no pun intended) - maybe I'll still use it as the 'Elven' version of the Universe or something. |
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chance87
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I always liked to think that the Tree was how the planes were perceived by the natives of Toril, and that the Wheel description of the planes was how planars and certain extensively studied sages preferred to describe the cosmology.
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I really like the new Cosmology, but I also really liked the Wheel, so I'm torn. Since Sigil is still around, hopefully the Outlands and Gatetowns will survive as well, so I won't have to choose (although it will be another retcon to swallow).
The tree was even starting to grow on me (no pun intended) - maybe I'll still use it as the 'Elven' version of the Universe or something.
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