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Faraer
Great Reader
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 Posted - 09 May 2007 : 20:58:21
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. . . and intellectual property, with contributions from Jane Yolen: here.
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2007 : 22:21:25
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| That was an interesting read, thanks Faraer. I have to admit I thought the joke about God and conjurer was great. |
Life is either daring adventure or nothing. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2007 : 23:47:45
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| Ya gotta admit, there is truth to what she's saying. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 May 2007 : 23:53:14
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| Robin Hobb's 'Book to Movie Rant' is worth reading, and pertains to Realms computer games and (theoretical) films. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2007 : 00:08:24
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Originally posted by Faraer
Robin Hobb's 'Book to Movie Rant' is worth reading, and pertains to Realms computer games and (theoretical) films.
That was a good read too. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2007 : 14:43:12
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Very wise words, Elaine. Very wise indeed.
I'm copying this into the Candlekeep's Guide to Forgotten Realms FAQ. 'Tis a useful and informative reply that will be of benefit to others curious about such topics.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 00:07:21
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| Candlekeep Compendium is fanfic. |
Edited by - Skeptic on 18 May 2007 00:08:42 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 00:27:03
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Candlekeep Compendium is fanfic.
Sort of. In general is mainly "sourcebook" style material, not presented as a short story (although some are presented as first person essays). Its not too much different than saying, "What if there were a city in Thay called X."
I guess I picture fanfic as more along the lines of, "Elaith and Danilo walk into a bar . . . you would have thought one of them would have seen it. After Arilyn rolled her eyes . . . "
The narrative voice in most of the Candlekeep articles is one of scholarly edification, rather than narative in the sense of conveying a plot, if that makes any sense.
I get your point, but I do think there is a bit of a difference. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 00:33:15
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Sort of. In general is mainly "sourcebook" style material, not presented as a short story (although some are presented as first person essays). Its not too much different than saying, "What if there were a city in Thay called X."
I guess I picture fanfic as more along the lines of, "Elaith and Danilo walk into a bar . . . you would have thought one of them would have seen it. After Arilyn rolled her eyes . . . "
The narrative voice in most of the Candlekeep articles is one of scholarly edification, rather than narative in the sense of conveying a plot, if that makes any sense.
I get your point, but I do think there is a bit of a difference.
I agree, but I tought that it also included short stories which seems to be false. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 00:36:04
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| Also, there are campaign logs that explain what happened in someone's game in the form of a narrative story. Some might consider that to be a form of fan-fiction. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 00:40:29
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Candlekeep Compendium is fanfic.
I would disagree with that, for the most part.
Elaine, I would say that the content of the Compendium itself falls more into the category of "as-close-to-official-lore-without-being-published" as you can get. Each of the scribes who are working on submissions for the PDF are asked to stick as closely to established canon-Realms material as possible. We're working toward making each entry useful for DMs who use the core Realms material. There's very little deviation from what is canon for the Realms, and certainly not enough to warrant labelling most of the entries as "fanfic." That's incorrect.
For what "fanfic" there is, it's mostly tied toward how the monks of Candlekeep would tend to operate when working on such materials and collating them -- giving a voice to the scribes themselves as KEJR notes above.
There is indeed a difference.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 00:46:14
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Also, there are campaign logs that explain what happened in someone's game in the form of a narrative story. Some might consider that to be a form of fan-fiction.
Yes, but these are noted directly as "Campaign Logs." Readers are already aware that what will follow isn't always supposed to add anything to the officially recognised canon Realms, which is what most "fanfic" pieces are intended for by those who write them. "Campaign Logs" are different because every DM's FR campaign will differ in someway from what is officially published about the Realms.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 00:50:12
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Also, there are campaign logs that explain what happened in someone's game in the form of a narrative story. Some might consider that to be a form of fan-fiction.
Yes, but these are noted directly as "Campaign Logs." Readers are already aware that what will follow isn't always supposed to add anything to the officially recognised canon Realms, which is what most "fanfic" pieces are intended for by those who write them. "Campaign Logs" are different because every DM's FR campaign will differ in someway from what is officially published about the Realms.
True enough, I only pointed that out because many of those logs are stories written in narrative form, and therefore could be considered "fan-fiction" even if they meant to recount events that happened in someone's game. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 00:58:09
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Originally posted by The Sage
I would disagree with that, for the most part.
Elaine, I would say that the content of the Compendium itself falls more into the category of "as-close-to-official-lore-without-being-published" as you can get. Each of the scribes who are working on submissions for the PDF are asked to stick as closely to established canon-Realms material as possible. We're working toward making each entry useful for DMs who use the core Realms material. There's very little deviation from what is canon for the Realms, and certainly not enough to warrant labelling most of the entries as "fanfic." That's incorrect.
For what "fanfic" there is, it's mostly tied toward how the monks of Candlekeep would tend to operate when working on such materials and collating them -- giving a voice to the scribes themselves as KEJR notes above.
There is indeed a difference.
Hmm.. just to be well understood :
1. I don't have anything agains't fanfic.
2. In my opinion, the Candlekeep Compendium's scribes do a great job.
However, from what I understand from Elaine's post, an FR author shouldn't read it. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 01:02:05
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I think that would depend on the individual FR author.
We do, after all, have noted FR designers and contributors also contributing to the submissions themselves -- apart from their official work on the Realms.
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 01:11:51
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Originally posted by The Sage
Very wise words, Elaine. Very wise indeed.
I'm copying this into the Candlekeep's Guide to Forgotten Realms FAQ. 'Tis a useful and informative reply that will be of benefit to others curious about such topics.
Sage, I've deleted my post, and I'd appreciate it if you'd also delete the copy in the FAQ. I'm bowing out of this discussion.
Thanks.
Best,
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 01:19:53
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Originally posted by The Sage
I think that would depend on the individual FR author.
We do, after all, have noted FR designers and contributors also contributing to the submissions themselves -- apart from their official work on the Realms.
I must admit that saying to Ed to be carefull for reading it would be quite ridiculous. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 01:28:05
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Oh, I wouldn't be offended by the title, and I agree that its in the same "sphere" as fanfic, but I think the intent is a bit different. A lot of fan fiction I've seen seems to move along the path of "this is where I wish these characters would go," or "this is how I wish they had differed from their original path," whereas I see a lot of the Compendium work as being more along the lines of "nobody has ever looked in this nook or cranny, so I'll just fill in the gap."
As I said though, I can see a definate relation between the two. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 01:32:12
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by The Sage
Very wise words, Elaine. Very wise indeed.
I'm copying this into the Candlekeep's Guide to Forgotten Realms FAQ. 'Tis a useful and informative reply that will be of benefit to others curious about such topics.
Sage, I've deleted my post, and I'd appreciate it if you'd also delete the copy in the FAQ. I'm bowing out of this discussion.
Thanks.
Best,
ec
I understand, Elaine. Think nothing more of it.
If it's okay with you, I will delete the official copy and just keep a version for my personal use?
I am willing to discuss this privately with you however, if you have any further concerns.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 01:38:59
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And Elaine, there were some further points I wanted to discuss with you... though, in line with your wishes here, I've taken them to the email.
Please check your inbox.
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 02:09:56
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Originally posted by The Sage
And Elaine, there were some further points I wanted to discuss with you... though, in line with your wishes here, I've taken them to the email.
Please check your inbox.
Nothing in the inbox. I think there's a black hole between me and thee, as I never received the "Hamish files" you sent me more than once. Alas.
Are you sending to elainecunningham@cox.net? Could you also try sending a cc to my gmail account, gwengellman@gmail.com?
Thanks!
ec
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 12:17:55
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| Sorry--didn't mean to sidetrack or kill the discussion. It's just that my initial post could be considered . . . less than tactful, seeing that other FR writers are involved in fanfic on this very site. I was not aware of this when I posted, and do not wish to imply disrespect to those colleagues who do not share my opinion on this matter. |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2007 : 21:53:38
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Faraer
Robin Hobb's 'Book to Movie Rant' is worth reading, and pertains to Realms computer games and (theoretical) films.
That was a good read too.
Concurs. And something I agree with and have tried to explain to people before - as good as some film adaptations of books are, I can't think of any films off the top of my head that are better than, or indeed as good as the book. For starters you just cannot pack as much into a film. |
Life is either daring adventure or nothing. |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 22:54:10
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| In general, I agree with you, Reefy. But I've always thought that the movie version of The Maltese Falcon may be the exception. For my money, it really does tell the story just about as effectively as Hammett's original novel. |
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 04:48:20
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
In general, I agree with you, Reefy. But I've always thought that the movie version of The Maltese Falcon may be the exception. For my money, it really does tell the story just about as effectively as Hammett's original novel.
Blade Runner is far superior to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, in my opinion. |
Za uspiekh nashevo beznadiozhnovo diela!
Forgotten Realms fans, please sign a petition to re-release the FR Interactive Atlas
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 04:54:59
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Originally posted by Reefy
And something I agree with and have tried to explain to people before - as good as some film adaptations of books are, I can't think of any films off the top of my head that are better than, or indeed as good as the book. For starters you just cannot pack as much into a film.
Not quite. If the author himself/herself is involved in the production, the film usually gives the book its deserved justice. Such was the case in Stardust and Goblet of Fire. |
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Icelander
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 05:13:11
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I Am Number Four is a good one, too. In some ways, even better than the novel. Pettyfer and Olyphant did a remarkable job in their roles. |
Every beginning has an end. |
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Yoss
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 09:58:44
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James Joyce's "The Dead.". I still can't see how that was turned into a movie in the first place, let alone fantastically so. And I still think the movie version of Fight Club is better than the book, but that might have something to do with hating Palahniuk's style and liking The Pixies's song that clearly didn't play in the book. ;)
Alas, this is such an old thread that neither the rant link or the fan fic discussion link in the OP still work. |
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Fascinating discussion on fan fiction
