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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 19:11:25
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Indeed, it will be Vhaeraun.  Actually, Mask has little interest in the drow, but Vhaeraun has interest in Mask's portfolio's. But back to the topic at hand, please. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 20:39:01
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| Oh I think Mask is just about as interested in Vhaeraun's portfolios as Vhaeraun is in his. |
A wise man from Calimport once told me: "If a merchant puts sand in the flask of oil he's trying to sell you, then he isn't trying to sell you sand..." |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 03:00:48
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Here's a general question I've seen mentioned on another board but not here.
What do you personally wish would happen to conclude the silence of Lolth? What, if any changes do you hope take place with the drow pantheon? |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 03:17:28
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Sirius, I'd answer, but you already know what I'd say....  |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 13:49:28
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Here's a general question I've seen mentioned on another board but not here.
What do you personally wish would happen to conclude the silence of Lolth? What, if any changes do you hope take place with the drow pantheon?
Well personally I hope she will increase her power tremendously. Becoming a greater god. Then exacting revenge on all who had wronged her, destroying Vhaeraun (perhaps with the help of Mask), or just greatly reducing him in power. Then destroying Ghaunadur as well. Then bitch-slapping Kiaransalee(sp? Don't have my books with me right now) and bringing her back in her place. Then trying to destroy Eilistraee but failing since the elven pantheon comes to her rescue. Then Eilistraee is reinstated in the elven pantheon properly.
If Drow want to become a force to be reckoned with then they need to be united under Lolth, and that means destroying that spoiled brat Vhaeraun (sorry Shadowlord) |
A wise man from Calimport once told me: "If a merchant puts sand in the flask of oil he's trying to sell you, then he isn't trying to sell you sand..." |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 16:13:18
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| Cherrn, I agree with you about the part about Kiaransalee because if you have played City of the Spider Queen, you would know that she tried to take over and ursup Lloth's powers and followers during her silence. |
"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 16:31:16
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Sirius, I'd answer, but you already know what I'd say....
Yes, but besides the obvious, Lolth dead...and Vhaeraun more powerful...anything else? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 16:33:12
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Cherrn, I agree with you about the part about Kiaransalee because if you have played City of the Spider Queen, you would know that she tried to take over and ursup Lloth's powers and followers during her silence.
I wonder what the pecking order will be if the Spider Queen comes back even more powerful:
Punish Vhaeraun first than Kiaransalee? Or the other way around?  |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 17:47:10
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quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Sirius, I'd answer, but you already know what I'd say....
Yes, but besides the obvious, Lolth dead...and Vhaeraun more powerful...anything else?
Well, that pretty much covers it. I'd like to see Eilistraee reduced to a demigoddess, not entirely dead, just because then Vhaeraun could torture her. I somewhat like Kiaransalee, because she doesn't overtly work against Vhaeraun, so she could stay. However, Selvetarm and Lolth must go. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 21:13:03
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I wonder what the pecking order will be if the Spider Queen comes back even more powerful:
Punish Vhaeraun first than Kiaransalee? Or the other way around?
I think Lolth will punish Vhaeraun first. After all, Kiaransalee did try to subvert Lolth worshipers, but Vhaeraun did a blatant open and direct attack on her, and that needs to be seen to first. Can't have anyone alive who openly dare to attack the spiderqueen can we ? |
A wise man from Calimport once told me: "If a merchant puts sand in the flask of oil he's trying to sell you, then he isn't trying to sell you sand..." |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 03:39:18
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Well, that pretty much covers it. I'd like to see Eilistraee reduced to a demigoddess, not entirely dead, just because then Vhaeraun could torture her.
Vhaeraun is in dire need of a Dr. Phil show devoted to him: "I hate my goddess sister because our father liked her best. Meet the God, Vhaeraun next on Dr. Phil." |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2004 : 19:25:34
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| I agree with Sage that there should be more to Lolth's transformation than just an increased level of divine power, but assuming that Lolth is elevated to Greater deity status, I wonder if that elevation is confined to Realmspace, or does Lolth become a Greater deity throughout the planes? If the latter is true, then there may not be any immediate retreat from the gains made by other drow dieties in the Realms: Lolth may have exchanged decreased power in the Realms for increased power in other worlds where rival deties have less of a presence. |
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Teflon
Seeker
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 02:46:00
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| I get the feeling that it will turn out Halisstra killin Lolth then somehow Lolth gets ressurected then afterwards she is transformed to a greater power. Thats my take on it. |
In any battle, the mightiest weapon is one that strikes unseen.
A Warrior or Wizard may be invincible in open battle, with their foes before them, but even they must sleep sometime, and cannot parry the knife that comes from behind.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 02:31:18
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Hah! Halisstra is a weakling! I doubt that she'll actually even come close to Lolth's Temple in the Demonweb. However, I do admit that no matter what happens, the outcome will be less than desirable, for I can already tell that it won't favor Vhaeraun in the slightest...   |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Teflon
Seeker
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 06:10:07
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In any battle, the mightiest weapon is one that strikes unseen.
A Warrior or Wizard may be invincible in open battle, with their foes before them, but even they must sleep sometime, and cannot parry the knife that comes from behind.
-The life of a assassin. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 06:44:36
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Hah! Halisstra is a weakling! I doubt that she'll actually even come close to Lolth's Temple in the Demonweb. However, I do admit that no matter what happens, the outcome will be less than desirable, for I can already tell that it won't favor Vhaeraun in the slightest...
Let's see...Halisstra actually kills or damages Lolth leaving the Spider Queen dead or weakened......Vhaeruan survey says....he'd be smiling
Or Halisstra ends up falling into a trap and one of Eilistraee's newest convert's is killed performing a crucial mistress for the Goddess....Vhaeraun survey says....he'd be smiling
Tell me exactly how any possible outcome can't favor Vhaeruan? It should be all good for him no matter the outcome. Or is he still upset at his son battling him to a stalemate? |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 21:30:27
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I'd like it if you didn't mention that again, Sirius...
Actually, what I meant was that if Lolth becomes more powerful, or is suddenly becomes "un-silent," Vhaeraun recieves nothing, and his followers are likely to enter into a civil war between drow that could create a terrifying rift in drow power, causing another race or nation to take advantage of it (much like Crown Prince Horgar Steelshadow/Kaanyr Vhok are doing in WotSQ novels 3-4).
True, if Eilistraee's "Crescent Blade" was lost, or Halisstra killed, it would put a smile on The Masked Lord's face, but I fail to see how it would increase his power. Losing one worshipper won't make Eilistraee suddenly become a demigoddess, you know... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 21:35:33
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
True, if Eilistraee's "Crescent Blade" was lost, or Halisstra killed, it would put a smile on The Masked Lord's face, but I fail to see how it would increase his power. Losing one worshipper won't make Eilistraee suddenly become a demigoddess, you know...
Yeah, but if mom wakes up right before or after Eilistraee's Champion tries to kill her, it might change Lolth's to do list from:
1. Kill/Torment Vhaeraun
2. Kill/Torment Eilistraee
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1. Kill/Torment Eilistraee
2. Kill/Torment Vhaeraun
then again, I guess no matter what, still a bad list to be on....
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Darth KTrava
Learned Scribe
USA
172 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2004 : 01:51:45
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Well, that pretty much covers it. I'd like to see Eilistraee reduced to a demigoddess, not entirely dead, just because then Vhaeraun could torture her.
Vhaeraun is in dire need of a Dr. Phil show devoted to him: "I hate my goddess sister because our father liked her best. Meet the God, Vhaeraun next on Dr. Phil."
Actually, that'd be an upcoming episode of "Jerry Springer". 
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Evil will be dealt with swiftly as it is my duty to remove such evil from my presence.
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Darth KTrava
Learned Scribe
USA
172 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2004 : 01:53:50
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Originally posted by Teflon
I agree, I wouldnt mind seeing males rule over the Menzoberrazan for a change.
That'd freak out all the females who are so used to ruling for SOOO long.... They wouldn't take well to being the subservient gender.
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Evil will be dealt with swiftly as it is my duty to remove such evil from my presence.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2004 : 06:29:10
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Originally posted by Darth KTrava
Actually, that'd be an upcoming episode of "Jerry Springer".
And with that family, it would be a highly rated episode of JS. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2004 : 23:57:15
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Originally posted by Darth KTrava
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Originally posted by Teflon
I agree, I wouldnt mind seeing males rule over the Menzoberrazan for a change.
That'd freak out all the females who are so used to ruling for SOOO long.... They wouldn't take well to being the subservient gender.
Darth, then it would just be exactly like what the males had before. The females wouldn't be able to do anything about it. However, I don't think it will happen since there are too many Llothites who would fight against any other faiths in drow society. |
"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2004 : 06:46:57
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Between the interwoven strands that make up the Demonweb Pits, are areas of nothingness - infinite depths of formless void. How then, will this effect both Selvetarm and Vhaeraun?.
I know the PGtF says nothing about what the consequences of this event are, other than the potential effects it will have on their worshippers in the Realms, but perhaps by better defining what exactly these formless voids are, or what effects they have on either mortal or divine beings, we can maybe hypothesize on what will become of the two deities.
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rowwhenn
Acolyte
France
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Posted - 06 Jul 2004 : 15:40:03
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Now, daddy, is another matter. However, didn't Ryld encounter a Vhaeraun force that included a cleric. I think if Vhaeraun was dead, the cleric wouldn't have been able to cast spells and I do believe he did so.
Have you an official year ? or better a mounth + year plz ? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2004 : 15:46:41
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Originally posted by rowwhenn
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Now, daddy, is another matter. However, didn't Ryld encounter a Vhaeraun force that included a cleric. I think if Vhaeraun was dead, the cleric wouldn't have been able to cast spells and I do believe he did so.
Have you an official year ? or better a mounth + year plz ?
For Ryld's encounter with the cleric? No. However, page 170 of the Player's Guide to Faerun details the following:
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16 Ukta 1372
Quenthel Baenre and her company reach the Demonweb Pits and witness Vhaeraun's attacks on Lolth. Selvetarm attacks Vhaeraun in the Demonweb Pits, and both gods plummet into the darkness.
Ryld's encounter with the Vhaeraun cleric occurs in the next novel, a short time later. Thus, we are most likely still in Ukta, 1372.
I hope that helps. |
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rowwhenn
Acolyte
France
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Posted - 06 Jul 2004 : 15:58:59
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Thanks , it'll help a lot !
In France , you always need to wait 4 to 6 supplementary mounths cause the traduction ( i can use forums , but a novel is a little too big for me ) .
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Losing one worshipper won't make Eilistraee suddenly become a demigoddess, you know...
Furthermore Eilistraee has the great priestress Alauniira of Shenandoah & Quilue one of the sisters ... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2004 : 16:34:45
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Originally posted by rowwhenn
Thanks , it'll help a lot !
In France , you always need to wait 4 to 6 supplementary mounths cause the traduction ( i can use forums , but a novel is a little too big for me ) .
No problem and I'm glad I could help. If you have any other questions, please ask away. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2004 : 17:12:04
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
For Ryld's encounter with the cleric? No. However, page 170 of the Player's Guide to Faerun details the following:
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16 Ukta 1372
Quenthel Baenre and her company reach the Demonweb Pits and witness Vhaeraun's attacks on Lolth. Selvetarm attacks Vhaeraun in the Demonweb Pits, and both gods plummet into the darkness.
Ryld's encounter with the Vhaeraun cleric occurs in the next novel, a short time later. Thus, we are most likely still in Ukta, 1372.
I hope that helps.
Ah, the month of Ukta... I really must find out where on the calendar that month falls. It's obviously after Uktar, but I can't seem to find it listed anywhere else... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jul 2004 : 17:16:51
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ah, the month of Ukta... I really must find out where on the calendar that month falls. It's obviously after Uktar, but I can't seem to find it listed anywhere else...
It's the new month replacing Uktar. Remember, according to the experts, if it's in a 3.0e/3.5e and it conflicts with previous sources, the newer version is one to go with.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 Jul 2004 : 18:55:26
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ah, the month of Ukta... I really must find out where on the calendar that month falls. It's obviously after Uktar, but I can't seem to find it listed anywhere else...
It's the new month replacing Uktar. Remember, according to the experts, if it's in a 3.0e/3.5e and it conflicts with previous sources, the newer version is one to go with.
All hail Ukta!
Ah, but the month of Uktar is mentioned right above the listings for Ukta. So Ukta is obviously a new month that occurs after Uktar. |
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Lolth's Silence
