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Drakul
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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 Posted - 17 Jul 2004 : 18:00:38
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Originally posted by Drakul
Question. Is there any way I can get a link to a site that has detailed events that happened in WotSQ?? I need them for my Drow Elves of Faerūn group.
I know not of any official online resources detailing this... Have you not got the appropriate sources, yourself?
You could always hit google, and hope that some fan or group of fans has put together a detailed outline... |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jul 2004 : 20:24:12
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Drakul
Question. Is there any way I can get a link to a site that has detailed events that happened in WotSQ?? I need them for my Drow Elves of Faerūn group.
I know not of any official online resources detailing this... Have you not got the appropriate sources, yourself?
You could always hit google, and hope that some fan or group of fans has put together a detailed outline...
The Player's Guide has a brief run down on the first couple books..... |
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ywhtptgtfo
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Posted - 20 Jul 2004 : 00:06:20
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I doubt Player's Guide to Faerun is correct although it is still a canon source.
According to War of the Spider Queen series, Vhaerun was only knocking (rather impudently) on Lolth's door rather than attacking her directly. From what is written in Book 5...
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1) Abandoned the 66th layer of the Abyss and her temple
2) Created a new Demonweb Pits somewhere else.
3) Transformed into many spider demons, which are slowly merging themselves back together
I suppose Selvetarm was there to defend the temple just so Vhaeraun wouldn't be stealing from Lolth's garbage heap and that Quenthel could meet Lolth's midwives
In other words, I believe the guy who wrote the part about Lolth in PGtF must've been slacking off. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Jul 2004 : 01:43:27
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| ywhtptgtfo, Player's Guide to Faerun came out way BEFORE Book 5. It only covered the events of 1 and 2. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jul 2004 : 04:26:04
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Originally posted by DDH_101
ywhtptgtfo, Player's Guide to Faerun came out way BEFORE Book 5. It only covered the events of 1 and 2.
Actually, it covered the first three novels within the series. However, your point is still valid.
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ywhtptgtfo
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Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 02:37:22
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| It is still inaccurate, since Vhaerun has never seen Lolth in the 66th layer in book 3. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 03:14:07
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ywhtptgtfo, here's the quote from the handbook:
Using his (Tzirik) magics, he created a gate and summoned Vhaerun himself, who attacked the apparently COMATOSE Lolth and injured her terribly.
This isn't incorrect since Vhaerun did smash apart that face of Lolth. The book Condemnation wasn't clear if that was the Spider Queen herself or just some kind of defense. Also, inside book 3 Phaerun (or was it Quenthel?) said that that was the furthest they could go to find Lolth. If she wasn't there, then the goddess couldn't be anywhere else. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 03:18:48
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Originally posted by ywhtptgtfo
It is still inaccurate, since Vhaerun has never seen Lolth in the 66th layer in book 3.
Many sources have had specific things that changed in later sources. It's not that big a deal, so long as there's a valid reason for the change. A sourcebook that predates fiction falls into that category. |
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ywhtptgtfo
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Posted - 22 Jul 2004 : 02:15:15
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Originally posted by DDH_101
ywhtptgtfo, here's the quote from the handbook:
Using his (Tzirik) magics, he created a gate and summoned Vhaerun himself, who attacked the apparently COMATOSE Lolth and injured her terribly.
This isn't incorrect since Vhaerun did smash apart that face of Lolth. The book Condemnation wasn't clear if that was the Spider Queen herself or just some kind of defense. Also, inside book 3 Phaerun (or was it Quenthel?) said that that was the furthest they could go to find Lolth. If she wasn't there, then the goddess couldn't be anywhere else.
It is the door of her temple, actually. If you've read Book 5, you might already have known that Lolth wasn't even in the 66th layer at that time. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jul 2004 : 02:57:30
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| I haven't read book 5. And from what you have said, it's Philip Athans that screwed up, not the writers of the Player's Guide to Faerun. Like I have said, PGtF came out before Book 5 so it's not their fault if the writer of Annihilation didn't do his research correctly and follow up with the other writers. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jul 2004 : 03:58:40
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| Meh, whatever. Doesn't really matter now as the novel is the version that everyone will follow... |
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Ordin_Solandar
Acolyte
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Posted - 22 Jul 2004 : 07:21:24
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| Jah mixing the rule book with the authors vision of things is not really a fair comparison. We can apply stats to characters, or make monsters greater or lesser then one another; but in the end its and authors idead put to paper... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jul 2004 : 07:28:03
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Originally posted by Ordin_Solandar
Jah mixing the rule book with the authors vision of things is not really a fair comparison. We can apply stats to characters, or make monsters greater or lesser then one another; but in the end its and authors idead put to paper...
I'm more interested in what's to come with Lolth and her followers than what has been detailed in any gaming product so far when someone attempted to review/summarize a series in less than a page or so of text. |
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ywhtptgtfo
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Posted - 16 Sep 2004 : 07:55:43
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Originally posted by DDH_101
ywhtptgtfo, here's the quote from the handbook:
Using his (Tzirik) magics, he created a gate and summoned Vhaerun himself, who attacked the apparently COMATOSE Lolth and injured her terribly.
This isn't incorrect since Vhaerun did smash apart that face of Lolth. The book Condemnation wasn't clear if that was the Spider Queen herself or just some kind of defense. Also, inside book 3 Phaerun (or was it Quenthel?) said that that was the furthest they could go to find Lolth. If she wasn't there, then the goddess couldn't be anywhere else.
With the usage of common sense, we'd know that door of her temple is not Lolth herself. What deity would place his or her big fat head unprotected? It is also said in other books that Lolth resides in her arachnid city, which of course resides beyond that wall.
In other words, Vhaerun did not hurt Lolth at all.
No, I doubt Philips Athens screwed up, since Condemnation came BEFORE PGtF. |
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