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Bladewind
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 Posted - 24 Mar 2007 : 23:27:57
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Ive read in the Players Guide its possible to get a title and have your family get promoted to nobility. Is it possible to have a human noble family stripped of its (local & social) powers? Do you do it by dishonoring them, or some other more directly damaging actions?
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Kentinal
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Posted - 25 Mar 2007 : 00:00:02
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Yes it is posible to lose title, though that would be regional/local law.
Most titles are confered from a higher power, the Queen makes Duchess, etc. Some titles in border lamds can be self proclaimed. In either case the title holder is required to defend their title by their conduct and/ot force of blades.
Should any chose to Contest a title holder all they need to do is claim such a person is not a Noble and have the power to enforce the claim on a wide scale. A King can clearly banish a Baron from his lands and declare that the Baron of lands no longer exists.
How to take the title clearly can be a factor of words or might require direct action. It depends on the power of the ruler. Words can be more powerful then a single blade, though often words need the impression of strenght behind it.
As for being granted a title it is just about the same in reverse. A Duke can grant lands and title to make a Count but the lands might not be well secured or firmly controled. The title and land grant (if any) has to be defended to be considered credible.
Displaced Nobles often in RW retain their title, but in pratice they are no longer Noble (A power of a realm) just a desentent of such a person and allowed to retain a title as a matter of respect to the parents and/or concept of heraldidy. |
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The Sage
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Mar 2007 : 00:21:56
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| The novels Cormyr, beyond the high road, and death of the dragon have quite a bit of good info on this subject also. All related to Cormyr of course, but very good. |
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Bladewind
Master of Realmslore
Netherlands
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Posted - 25 Mar 2007 : 20:53:28
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Excellent! Twisting laws to obtain or asurp the title of a noble through the right connections seems a very gritty subject indeed. Politcal cat and mouse games in roleplaying sessions are a favorite of mine. (also bloody combat, but thats another story ^^)
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 27 Mar 2007 : 00:47:06
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I'd go so far as to suggest that technically, any title anywhere can potentially be "self-proclaimed". People have crowned themselves often enough in real world history.
And yes, to fully answer the question with specifics, one would need to know what nation or region in particular is being discussed, as governments vary widely and most Realms don't seem to be traditional feudal. |
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Bladewind
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Kuje
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Posted - 31 Mar 2007 : 23:31:29
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Originally posted by Bladewind
I was thinking about Waterdeep and Menzoberranzan and their "nobles". The waterdhavian noble families seem nearly untouchable, with their foundations strongly tied to the guilds.
Ed has given us long replies about the nobles of Waterdeep and or how to gain that status. It's practically impossible. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 31 Mar 2007 : 23:56:04
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It does seem like the type of nobility in Waterdeep (merchant nobility) can be applied to many other lands as well, so even though becoming a noble of Waterdeep is practically impossible, if a character is very good at making money through capitalistic ventures, they can probably become a noble in some other city.
I really like that system--nobility is conferred to those who've created wealth and prosperity through trade rather than those who just happen to be good at killing people (ie. the "might makes right" version of noble status). |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 01 Apr 2007 00:03:26 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 01 Apr 2007 : 00:49:35
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Bladewind
I was thinking about Waterdeep and Menzoberranzan and their "nobles". The waterdhavian noble families seem nearly untouchable, with their foundations strongly tied to the guilds.
Ed has given us long replies about the nobles of Waterdeep and or how to gain that status. It's practically impossible.
See also the 'Becoming Noble in Waterdeep' section in Power of Faerūn.
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Gettng/Losing Noble status
