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Alaundo
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 Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 17:30:09
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Well met
Hmmmm surprising results. Greyhawk has overtaken Forgotten Realms, I see. That simply won't do!
I'm quite surprised at the low numbers voted for Dragonlance, and actually Eberron.
Of course, FR is my first love but Ravenloft comes a close second. Most old TSR campaigns have a number of elements which I really enjoy but there's really only one which ticks all the boxes  |
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MaxKaladin
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 20:42:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*snickers* 'Tis a good point. I have a mild dislike for the Greyhawk setting, myself, but it's not so bad that I'll badmouth the setting or avoid buying interesting products for it. I've never really seen any Realms fans badmouthing Greyhawk, though I have certainly seen some Greyhawk fans bashing the Realms.
Indeed. My first exposure to this was back in college when someone joined my FR game only to spend the whole session rolling his eyes, snorting, sniffing, smirking, shaking his head and making little noises of contempt. After the game, he began his rant about how awful the Realms are, how superior Greyhawk is how much the Realms "stole" from Greyhawk and how awful a writer Ed Greenwood is. After that, he started in on how the Realms is only popular because it's overpowered and made for munchkins and how the Realms were only published because TSR decided to kill Greyhawk off after Gygax left and they needed a setting quick. Finally, he told us that we need to play a Greyhawk game under him so we can see how things are done "right". It was rather shocking since I had no idea prior to that how bitter some segments of the Greyhawk fanbase can be.
Fast forward a few years and I ended up joining a Greyhawk mailing list briefly. I heard all the same things along with lots of random "shots" at the Realms and anything and anyone connected with them. It really amazed me how much time they spent badmouthing the Realms. I would have expected them to spend more time talking about, well, Greyhawk. I gave it another shot a few years later and encountered the same thing.
Anyway, yeah, I've been pretty amazed at the amount of bitterness and vitriol out there, especially considering the vast majority of Realms fans I know don't really have any strong feelings about Greyhawk at all. |
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Grehnar
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 20:56:15
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Greyhawk is comfortably pulling ahead. Face it - it is pretty good and still very popular. It can't all be nostalgia.
Those FR-bashers among GH fans can be a bit vocal but, although there is a bit of campaigning for this poll going on within the WotC boards, nobody on, say, Canonfire has stooped to conquer yet. We have.
And yes, I voted for the Realms - it's just I'm not too proud to strip-mine GH for ideas too. |
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Pasta Fzoul
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USA
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 21:20:04
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I voted Realms, but I must admit to being a bit disappointed that Planescape isn't doing better  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 22:09:52
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Originally posted by Grehnar
Greyhawk is comfortably pulling ahead. Face it - it is pretty good and still very popular. It can't all be nostalgia.
Those FR-bashers among GH fans can be a bit vocal but, although there is a bit of campaigning for this poll going on within the WotC boards, nobody on, say, Canonfire has stooped to conquer yet. We have.
And yes, I voted for the Realms - it's just I'm not too proud to strip-mine GH for ideas too.
To be fair, Paizo's site has always been very much a safe haven for Greyhawk afficianados, since its pretty well common knowledge that Erik Mona is indeed the settings biggest cheerleader. Given that so many regulars to the site are Greyhawk fans, I'm not surprised that they poll is going this way, but I also don't think that it is representative of either the readership of the magazine or the overall D&D population.
I mainly just wanted Realms to have a good showing because, while Paizo's boards are a thousand times more civil and enjoyable than WOTC's, there are some Greyhawk fans there that are quite rude when it comes to Forgotten Realms, and who can't pass up an oppourtunity to say that the Realms are a rip off of Greyhawk, that the Realms would have never been successful if TSR had supported Greyhawk more ardently, and who will swear, no matter who might be quoted to the contrary, that Forgotten Realms didn't sell any better than any other setting, and that if Greyhawk had been the "flagship" during 2nd edition, it would have done better than FR. I have no problem with anyone loving thier given setting, and as I said earlier, I have had a lot of good times in Greyhawk, but blatantly ignoring reality irks me, and trying to undermine the success of another setting just because yours isn't supported strikes me as "I'm not happy, so you shouldn't be either," which bothers me as well.
As to the lack of campaigning at Canonfire . . . its probably due to a lack of clarity as to weather voting for Greyhawk will mean supporting the "pure" Gygax Greyhawk, Greyhawk later in TSR's tenure, with Brian Blume's influence, pre or post Carl Sergent Greyhawk, or "Paizo" Greyhawk versus RPGA Greyhawk . . . once they get all of that sorted out, I'm sure it'll start up just fine . . .  |
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Grehnar
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 23:33:50
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 Now breath.
 I agree. You're right in every point you make.
However, as this is on-line, it has the danger of becoming more like ammo in an on-going argument than FR chat.
That's what I disagree with. |
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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 09:01:12
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I never really played on Greyhawk, and although I owned the campaign setting and City of Greyhawk almost 2 decades ago, I am not very familiar with it.
Certainly, the Realms were the flagship of 2nd edition, true, TSR needed a new campaign setting back then, but there are a lot of people who live, and love, the old times, a fact that I cannot understand, for although I own a lot of old(er) material, I see that that 3.x is vastly superior.
True, Greyhawk is receiving no real, make that Logo-, support, and has no own gaming line, although it can be assumed that every generic product is grounded in Greyhawk. Instead of doing Eberron, WOTC would have been far better off, doing a real Oerth rennaisance, even bringing the old hands back into the play. Gary Gygax and the others would have been a tremendous publicity push for a Greyhawk line.
(the same goes for the old Realms hands who are slowly but surely coming back. Jeff should you read this, please come back and do some Realms  ) |
Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware! |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 10:11:42
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
To be fair, Paizo's site has always been very much a safe haven for Greyhawk afficianados, since its pretty well common knowledge that Erik Mona is indeed the settings biggest cheerleader. Given that so many regulars to the site are Greyhawk fans, I'm not surprised that they poll is going this way, but I also don't think that it is representative of either the readership of the magazine or the overall D&D population.
Right. The most reliable information, Wizards' market research, is that the Realms and Eberron are much more popular than the World of Greyhawk, with most other settings well behind. |
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Marquant Volker
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Greece
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 14:01:08
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Suprised to see that Greyhawk is winning. Eberron on the other hand... |
Edited by - Marquant Volker on 02 Mar 2007 14:02:45 |
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