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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
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 Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 12:10:46
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Doe anybody have any idea of Obulds stat, Gear (Besides his +!Flaming greatsword.) or Chosen one ablilities?
He seem to be alot tougher than he was originally so im adding 10/1 dag reduction
He seem much stronger and swifter so +4 str and +4 Dex (Bull str & cat grace)
He also seems alot smarter so + 6 intl (at least)
- 10/1 damage reduction
- +4 Str
- +4 Dex
- +6 Intel
Is this even close? doe anybody know? If so post here.
(All stats are risen from his base stats in Fr capaingn(sp?) setting)
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Zimme
Learned Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 12:41:15
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| He is discribed in the forgotten realms campaign setting page 175, as a Barbarian level 5/fighter level 4 |
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Dreamstalker
Acolyte
USA
47 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 17:46:12
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| I would say those stats represent his capabilities before he managed to pull together this recent campaign. During the course of the of his gaining more widespread leadership, gaining allies among other races, and leading this battle onward I would place him around 14th to 17th level. Obould is a warrior on par with Drizzt now. My suggestion would either be to apply one of the two Gruumsh classes. One was in Sword and Fist and the other in a Dragon Magazine issue. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 21:19:57
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It has never been definatively stated that Obould is the Chosen of Gruumsh. In fact, all through the books, Obould seems to kind of find the idea that "Obould is Gruumsh" kind of amusing and something that he could exploit. Yes, he did receive some kind of burst to his faculties and physical abilities, but who knows if it really was Gruumsh getting involved.
I only say this because of preceedence in RAS novels. The only god that has ever really directly intervened in RAS's books has been Lolth, and that was during the Time of Troubles. I doubt it will be definitively answers, especially considering some of the interviews that I have heard of RAS's that seems to indicate that he doesn't really want to answer if he is or isn't. Of course, when The Orc King comes out, we'll likely get something more to speculate on. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 00:17:10
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
It has never been definatively stated that Obould is the Chosen of Gruumsh.
Seconded. So far, we probably have to assume that Obould's stats are still the ones in the FRCS, or close to them--the FRCS actually takes place later in the timeline than the recent Drizzt trilogy. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 23 Jan 2007 00:19:08 |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 09:17:21
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
It has never been definatively stated that Obould is the Chosen of Gruumsh.
Seconded. So far, we probably have to assume that Obould's stats are still the ones in the FRCS, or close to them--the FRCS actually takes place later in the timeline than the recent Drizzt trilogy.
Well, this may be right but we cannot set aside, IIRC, that RAS has a tendency to write not in line with other canon products. So in that light it really could mean anything ........ and nothing at all............
Just my thoughts here.
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 11:54:56
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
It has never been definatively stated that Obould is the Chosen of Gruumsh.
Seconded. So far, we probably have to assume that Obould's stats are still the ones in the FRCS, or close to them--the FRCS actually takes place later in the timeline than the recent Drizzt trilogy.
But also you must admidt that the Frc was written many years ago well before Ra began the hunters blades triligy |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 23:41:38
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
It has never been definatively stated that Obould is the Chosen of Gruumsh.
Seconded. So far, we probably have to assume that Obould's stats are still the ones in the FRCS, or close to them--the FRCS actually takes place later in the timeline than the recent Drizzt trilogy.
But also you must admidt that the Frc was written many years ago well before Ra began the hunters blades triligy
So what? |
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Weiser_Cain
Seeker
87 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 09:28:30
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So, Salvatore doesn't follow the stat sheets when writing as far as I know.
We can be fairly certain that it was Gruumsh because of how straightforward the ceremony was. Obould may find the near worship of him as Gruumsh amusing but he is in fact now working for the benefit of all his Orcs instead of his personal gain and revenge. I think that alone is proof that this is Gruumsh's influence and not some random demon playing games. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 11:33:02
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It may be Gruumsh influence. Heck, by extention if his divine caster worked the spell, its essentially his influence. I just get tired of everyone that a god singles out as special or grants a boon to as being a "Chosen." To me a Chosen is a special title, and requires something of the Chosen as well as from the god. Obould pretty much wants to be an orc king, and some of his non-orcish ideas are actually rather anti-Gruumsh in his reasoning (establishing a stable kindgom that might actually foster trade and diplomatic relations with other nations).
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Weiser_Cain
Seeker
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 11:40:04
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| Well they got rid of all the other titles so anyone that get's a special power from a god is considered chosen... well except for Halisstra. |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 12:00:26
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Lol ^
Having sex with your god is the ultimate sign of being chosen (as in the case of Elminster)
so i would hate to see gruumsh and obould coupling *barfs in a corner*
I think they chould created an up to date Core rule book dictating the stat gains you get from being the chosen one of each specific god (bane and mystra which are in Frc could also be included) an have current chosen ones (epic or otherwise) included compendium style |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 12:30:16
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
I think they chould created an up to date Core rule book dictating the stat gains you get from being the chosen one of each specific god (bane and mystra which are in Frc could also be included) an have current chosen ones (epic or otherwise) included compendium style
Oh gods, no. We've got way too many "Chosen" as it is. The last thing we need to do is provide a mechanic for creating more of them... Besides, most deities don't have any read need for a chosen. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 12:45:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
I think they chould created an up to date Core rule book dictating the stat gains you get from being the chosen one of each specific god (bane and mystra which are in Frc could also be included) an have current chosen ones (epic or otherwise) included compendium style
Oh gods, no. We've got way too many "Chosen" as it is. The last thing we need to do is provide a mechanic for creating more of them... Besides, most deities don't have any read need for a chosen.
Indeed.
It's bad enough that nearly every major deity seems to have some form of Chosen in 3e. Gone are the days when Mystra's Chosen represented the only unique beings in FR with special abilities granted to them by a deity for a specific reason.
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 12:53:41
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
We've got way too many "Chosen" as it is. Besides, most deities don't have any read need for a chosen.
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Weiser_Cain
Seeker
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 13:13:48
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
Lol ^
Having sex with your god is the ultimate sign of being chosen (as in the case of Elminster)
so i would hate to see gruumsh and obould coupling *barfs in a corner*
I think they chould created an up to date Core rule book dictating the stat gains you get from being the chosen one of each specific god (bane and mystra which are in Frc could also be included) an have current chosen ones (epic or otherwise) included compendium style
I frown on the idea of gods that don't have sex in their portfolio having sex with a mortal and I frown on sex gods in general. I'd like to think the gods are beyond that. |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 14:00:02
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Originally posted by Weiser_Cain
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
Lol ^
Having sex with your god is the ultimate sign of being chosen (as in the case of Elminster)
so i would hate to see gruumsh and obould coupling *barfs in a corner*
I think they chould created an up to date Core rule book dictating the stat gains you get from being the chosen one of each specific god (bane and mystra which are in Frc could also be included) an have current chosen ones (epic or otherwise) included compendium style
I frown on the idea of gods that don't have sex in their portfolio having sex with a mortal and I frown on sex gods in general. I'd like to think the gods are beyond that.
Apperently gods need sex to (Read the elminster series) |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 14:10:49
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Originally posted by The Sage.
It's bad enough that nearly every major deity seems to have some form of Chosen in 3e. Gone are the days when Mystra's Chosen represented the only unique beings in FR with special abilities granted to them by a deity for a specific reason
I agree, and I personally still miss these days dearly. The gods arms-race is one of the things with the 3ed. that bothered me the most. That and the map changing of course.
As for the gods having sex with mortals part. As this is a common happening in most mythologies I have no problem with this. |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 15:06:58
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I don't mind the idea of gods and mortals getting frisky. It does depend on the deity, of course.
With my main player character, Kiaransalee visits his dreams on a regular basis and makes her apparent charms and talents quite clear. Unfortunately, my character castrated himself as an act of devotion to her and in order to be accepted to her clergy. (She said she didn't accept males, so he decided to disqualify himself as a male.) Still, it serves him right for worshipping an evil diety. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 17:19:23
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Originally posted by Jorkens
As for the gods having sex with mortals part. As this is a common happening in most mythologies I have no problem with this.
Indeed. Especially certain deities like Zeus... As godchecker.com says about him:
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ZEUS is married to the long-suffering HERA, but spends most of his time lusting after Goddesses, mortals, animals, and indeed anything that will keep still long enough.
While that is an extreme example, I don't have a problem with a deity having sex with a mortal -- within reason. I wouldn't expect an avatar of Torm to pop into Suzail for a quickie, but I can see some high-powered, insanely special ritual of Sune's clergy involving some quality time with an avatar of the goddess. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 19:22:49
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At least with the system of avatars, where the gods take a mortal shape of sorts, there would logically be physical relationships between mortals and some gods. From explaining strange powers to "epic" campaigns a la Gilgamesh, such happening can be used in many ways in a campaign.
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Aureus
Learned Scribe
Luxembourg
125 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 20:12:53
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| I imagine an avartar of Sune rewarding one of her priests for succending a important quest for her, now that would be a reward^^ |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 11:58:01
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| Im more of a shar man myself but sune is nothing to scoff at |
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Weiser_Cain
Seeker
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Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 12:52:26
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| *withdraws in disgust* |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 13:10:28
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*withdraws in disgust*
That's a shame. 
My understanding of your point of view was that you disapprove of deities succumbing to mortal urges. Personally, I think deities are above such things but may use sex to advance their portfolio. (Zeus' actions could be explained as him taking his role as father of the gods a bit too literally.) In my campaigns, Kiaransalee torments her worshipper because she is evil.
As regards sex gods in general, I think the sex drive in most mortals is so strong and at times so unfathomable that many would need to call on a higher power to help them understand it. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 23:39:07
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I think it partly depends on what the word "god" means to a person.
If one believes that gods are all-powerful, all-knowing, beyond the comprehension of mankind, they (most likely) wouldn't feel the drive to reproduce or even have sex for pleasure the way humans and other animals do.
However, if one believes that the gods are much more anthropomorphic than that, possess human feelings, needs, and desires (and are therefore imperfect and not all-powerful), and are interested in the affairs of mortals, there's no reason why they should be somehow beyond the things that mortals do. As it so happens, this is what the deities of Faerun are supposed to be like. |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 09:19:29
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I think it partly depends on what the word "god" means to a person.
That's a nice reply.
I wonder if there is a link between a deity and their avatar/s here? Maybe the higher in divine rank a deity is, the less removed they are from mortal feelings, emotions and motivations. Maybe a deity itself doesn't make love but its avatar does?
In the real world, some catholics identify more strongly with saints then with their god. Maybe this is the role of a specific pantheon's demi-gods or avatars in Faerūn, they're nearer to the mortal realm and have a greater empathy.
I'll see if I can give my ideas more clarity. For example, the goddess Chauntea is concerned with agriculture in general and with summer. Maybe her avatars are concerned with specific regions (for example, areas that are said to be sacred to her), specific crops or with the finer details. Obviously, at the lowest level she has her clerics.
I'm sure someone has articulated this much better and much earlier than me. Also we've moved away somewhat from the original question raised in this scroll.
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Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 17:38:32
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| Well, avatars are part of the deity because if you, as a mortal, saw the real deity, it would drive you insane, or you would fall in love with it for the rest of your life, etc, because of the vast amounts of power that deities have. So, deities create lesser versions of themselves (i.e. avatars) to interact with mortals. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 22:56:30
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
That's a nice reply.
Thank you. 
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I wonder if there is a link between a deity and their avatar/s here? Maybe the higher in divine rank a deity is, the less removed they are from mortal feelings, emotions and motivations.
Actually, the higher in rank they are, the more removed from humanity they tend to be.
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In the real world, some catholics identify more strongly with saints then with their god. Maybe this is the role of a specific pantheon's demi-gods or avatars in Faerūn, they're nearer to the mortal realm and have a greater empathy.
It has indeed been argued that the Catholic saints fulfill a similar role for some Christians in the way the pagan gods used to--much like true *gods* of other religions, the saints have specific areas of interest and are believed to take an interest in the affairs of mortals, as well as being inclined to intercede on their behalf.
At any rate I agree with Kuje's answer...heck, even when I was growing up I was told that one couldn't actually *see* God without dying as well, so I don't see why something similar couldn't apply in Faerun. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 26 Jan 2007 23:14:03 |
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Aureus
Learned Scribe
Luxembourg
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Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 21:35:30
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in Faerun, I imagine a god in itself as a bodiless being in the prime material who to interact directly with mortals compress some of their divine power into a powerful form, its avartar
I imagine the avartar as the (weaker) form the gods would have if the martals could see them in their divine form, on their level of existance and power |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2008 : 12:58:06
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| So is there any new update to Obould's possible stats at this point?? |
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Obould chosen of Grumussh (sp?)
