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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 15:30:35
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Is there a difference, or do the guys in charge just take sadistic pleasure in switching letters around? I think I read somewhere that the name had something to do with age...Or something...But I don't have any sourcebooks handy to confirm this.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 15:39:35
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Well, back in 2nd edition Vampyres were vampires running around UnderMountain that had hands that would burst into flames, but other than that, I beleive its an archaic spelling.
To my knowledge no one has updated the UnderMountain Vampyres for 3.5. Also, in 2nd edition Nosferatu was a seperate type of vampire, one that only did ability damage and didn't do any level draining. |
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 16:13:22
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| Though it is not, strictly speaking, FR canon, the 2nd Edition Ravenloft Monstrous Compendium I had a specific entry for the vampyre, which was not undead, shared some of the vampire's characteristics (i.e., if you proposed them to drink your blood, they would not say no), but had none of its weaknesses. The way their ecology was presented, they were more in line with the Camarilla vampire of White Wolf fame than with Dracula. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 16:17:27
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| That's right, now that you mention it, they used "Vampyre" for two different thigns in 2nd edition as well. I remember the non-undead vampires as well. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 17:19:27
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| I wish WOTC would update the Eastern vampire also. :( Most vampires are of the Western types only now. |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 21:31:21
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Originally posted by Kuje
I wish WOTC would update the Eastern vampire also. :( Most vampires are of the Western types only now.
Not being so hot on my history of vampires in games, literature etc., what are the differences? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 21:38:19
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| Eastern vampires could turn invisible instead of turning gaseous, and they didn't have the ability to charm potential victims. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 22:07:50
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Eastern vampires could turn invisible instead of turning gaseous, and they didn't have the ability to charm potential victims.
they could also detach their heads from their bodies an fly around |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 22:08:08
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Eastern vampires could turn invisible instead of turning gaseous, and they didn't have the ability to charm potential victims.
If I recall right, and I didn't check the material to make sure, they also didn't have an issue with running water. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 22:39:16
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Eastern vampires could turn invisible instead of turning gaseous, and they didn't have the ability to charm potential victims.
If I recall right, and I didn't check the material to make sure, they also didn't have an issue with running water. :)
which has nothing to do with personal hygiene, of course  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 22:53:07
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Eastern vampires could turn invisible instead of turning gaseous, and they didn't have the ability to charm potential victims.
they could also detach their heads from their bodies an fly around
That was pennangalans . . . which were a whole separate kind of vampiric undead than just Eastern Vampires. Eastern vampires were just a sub heading of the standard vampires. |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 23:43:38
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| I was going to mention I *do* know about pennangalans, having fond memories of my players having what turned out to be an epic showdown with Mistress Adele during the Mere of Dead Men series of adventures. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 23:44:51
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RAVENLOFT also had an interpretation of the Eastern Vampire in the form of Mayonaka -- originally from Kara-Tur.
Mayonaka, like all eastern vampires, could turn himself invisible at will, and unlike the traditional vampire, Mayonaka's resting place was not dictated by the place in which he died. And, yes Kuje, like all eastern vampires, running water has no negative effect on him.
Also, while eastern vampires cannot assume a gaseous state at will, they could be forced into a gaseous state after the destruction of their physical bodies.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 23:45:56
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Eastern vampires could turn invisible instead of turning gaseous, and they didn't have the ability to charm potential victims.
they could also detach their heads from their bodies an fly around
That was pennangalans . . . which were a whole separate kind of vampiric undead than just Eastern Vampires. Eastern vampires were just a sub heading of the standard vampires.
During my 2e days... I stat'd up a variety of "hopping corpses." Needless to say, they were quite an entertaining bunch and featured prominently in the only Shou Lung campaign I have ever ran.
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 08:33:52
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| I always preferred the Nosferatu to the D&D version of the vampire. I seem to remember there being a Dragon magazine (somewhere about issue 200 or maybe in the first Annual) that had various vampires from around the world, from A to Z I think. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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boddynock
Learned Scribe
Belgium
258 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 14:19:57
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| or the vrykolakas from the third edition ravenloft "denizens of darkness". That sickly vampire kind is also a good one :) |
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
166 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 14:55:21
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| Well...I'm not sure that I'm not more confused now than I was when I asked the question...But thanks guys. |
"You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose the path that's clear
I will choose freewill." -'Freewill' by Rush |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 17:46:04
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
Well...I'm not sure that I'm not more confused now than I was when I asked the question...But thanks guys.
Grin,
Well, we like our vampires and oddly, I think this is the first question asked about them on Keep since I've been here. :) |
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Edited by - Kuje on 15 Jan 2007 17:47:13 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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5402 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 21:09:33
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Except maybe the queries about the new vampire types that popped up in Dragon 348, but those questions were all within the actual thread about that issue of the magazine . . . and of course that brings up three more types of vampires that have been detailed, Savage, Shadow, and Terror Vampires.
I hope we don't make Aglaranna head detatch and fly around the room with all of this . . . |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 23:34:37
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
Well...I'm not sure that I'm not more confused now than I was when I asked the question...But thanks guys.
Grin,
Well, we like our vampires...
Indeed.
Now, if only I could feature more eastern variaties in my Realms more often. 
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
166 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 15:39:26
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I hope we don't make Aglaranna head detatch and fly around the room with all of this . . .
I'm going to have nightmares for weeks about this...Okay, so does anyone have a list of all these vampires, with a brief discription and their whereabouts? |
"You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose the path that's clear
I will choose freewill." -'Freewill' by Rush |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 15:56:26
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I hope we don't make Aglaranna head detatch and fly around the room with all of this . . .
I'm going to have nightmares for weeks about this...Okay, so does anyone have a list of all these vampires, with a brief discription and their whereabouts?
Well, you can find the stated vampires from FR material in my 2 NPC files. :) In the 1e/2e version they are listed under the Monsters tab unless they had class levels, which most didn't. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 17:38:55
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'Course, to further complicate matters, there are "vampires" and "vampyres" in Ravenloft, also, who are creatures with very different powers -- part of the effect of using them was to play on character expectations. ("The vampire looks at the stake driven into its heart, laughs, and lunges upon you," etc.)
If you're going to expand it to literature, you'll find that different creatures have different spellings depending on which stories you read, which language they utilize, and from which era they originate. It's not uncommon to hear "vampire" or "vampyre" or "vampyr" or "vamphyr" or any of those.
D&D likes to make distinctions based on minute changes in spelling.
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 23:47:25
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There might also be vampire empires...
You could also toss a vampyre on a funeral pyre...
OK, I should go to bed |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 00:01:31
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
If you're going to expand it to literature, you'll find that different creatures have different spellings depending on which stories you read, which language they utilize, and from which era they originate. It's not uncommon to hear "vampire" or "vampyre" or "vampyr" or "vamphyr" or any of those.
China Miéville borrowed from several other different spelling traditions for his New Crobuzon books -- I've noticed references to "vampyre", "vhamphyre", and "vampir" (indicating a German basis perhaps).
And then, of course, there are the dhampires -- or "dhampir", "dhamphir" or "dhampyr."
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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5402 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 15:13:30
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
D&D likes to make distinctions based on minute changes in spelling.
Cheers
Sure Erik, and next you're going to tell me that there is a difference between goblins and goblyns . . . oh, wait . . .  |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 01:29:14
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I've stat'd the Lady Kazandra as both a vampire and a vampyre for two alternate Ravenloft campaigns.
And while the Sage may have eliminated the vampire Lady Kazandra in one campaign, little does he realise that the vampyre Lady Kazandra is still backing the Kargatane in the other.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 04:29:23
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Sure Erik, and next you're going to tell me that there is a difference between goblins and goblyns . . . oh, wait . . .
Off topic here, but since you brought up Goblins...
To make matters MORE confusing, are Blue (goblins) the same as the old Xvart? (and neither is related to the 'Oranges' that live in Cormyr now)
BTW, I personally prefer the good old fashioned bloodsuckers (no, not lawyers)
And let's not forget the half baked half-vampire. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 06:18:58
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Sure Erik, and next you're going to tell me that there is a difference between goblins and goblyns . . . oh, wait . . .
Off topic here, but since you brought up Goblins...
To make matters MORE confusing, are Blue (goblins) the same as the old Xvart? (and neither is related to the 'Oranges' that live in Cormyr now)
BTW, I personally prefer the good old fashioned bloodsuckers (no, not lawyers)
And let's not forget the half baked half-vampire.
Actually, Blues are just psionically gifted goblins. Xvarts have been given 3.5 stats in Dragon Magazine as a separate species, at least as separate as they can be looking like goblins with big heads and blue skin . . . |
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