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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 09 Jan 2007 : 22:52:53
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Because the priest of Cyric is FAR too important to be wasted and used up in such a way. Oh sure Cyric does so with others because they are fools and useless to him, but the priest knows his role is far greater.
It seems fitting that a Delusional god is served by Delusional priests does it not?
That accounts for a great deal of Cyrics clergy.
I assume that 5 minutes along with the God of lies is enough to convince them that they are the most important people in the world to him. Of course, I love how Cyric seems to enjoy screwing with his faithful.
He made a rug merchant into his Chosen. If that's not a gesture of contempt to the rest of the pantheon's overpowered champions, I don't know what is.
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Lemernis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Jan 2007 : 22:53:11
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Why in the world would anyone want to worship a mad (or seemingly mad) god who simply uses up his followers!
Because the priest of Cyric is FAR too important to be wasted and used up in such a way. Oh sure Cyric does so with others because they are fools and useless to him, but the priest knows his role is far greater.
It seems fitting that a Delusional god is served by Delusional priests does it not?
That accounts for a great deal of Cyrics clergy.
Not everyone in the faith can be a priest, though. You still can't have a church without general followers. Cyricism is supposed to be one of the fastest growing faiths in Faerun, but it's really hard to understand it's general appeal to the masses. Not to interject too much 'realism' into a fantasy world, but it would be easier to buy if the faith promised some sort of benefit to followers other than psychotic depravity. |
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jan 2007 : 23:00:34
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Not everyone in the faith can be a priest, though. You still can't have a church without general followers. Cyricism is supposed to be one of the fastest growing faiths in Faerun, but it's really hard to understand it's general appeal to the masses. Not to interject too much 'realism' into a fantasy world, but it would be easier to buy if the faith promised some sort of benefit to followers other than psychotic depravity.
With all due respect, why do you think it doesn't? Lords of Darkness describes the Cyricists as accepting anyone and anything as worshippers. They also throw favors like cure spells and so on for free to Ogres and the "masses" in order to win them over being exploiting them mercilessly. They're sort of like demonic televangelists even in canon.
Hell, Malik convinced a good portion of SHADES to join up.
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 23:57:10
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| Swicth to bane becuase the second bane death will never come and cyric will be dethrone (hopefully) |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 00:59:11
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And how do you see Cyric being "de-throned", really?
While he may not be as insane any more, though as I recall Ed Greenwood does still suggest Cyric has some residual mental instability, chaos and godly power can make for a dangerous foe.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 02:17:08
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While he may not be as insane any more, though as I recall Ed Greenwood does still suggest Cyric has some residual mental instability, chaos and godly power can make for a dangerous foe.
Ed's made it clear that Cyric is still, largely, insane... or at least at a point where his disturbed mental state still provides his enemies with some degree of chance when attempting to counter his crazy schemes.
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 05:03:15
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On the other hand, he's stated that Bane will probably win in a lengthy war against Cyric but that it's hardly one that will be resolved within any mortal's lifespan.
That leaves any amount of time for Bane to be dumped on or Cyric to make a deal with Shar or someone else.
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
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Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 12:00:18
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Bane never stays down which why he will win.
Even if he getys killed he could prolly just res from a hidden banechild somewhere |
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Julian Grimm
Seeker
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Posted - 11 Feb 2007 : 20:15:12
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Personally I use him as he was in FRA. I wasn't real happy that after he became possibly the biggest meance after the Avatar Crisis that they just bumped him down within an few years. Also I hate bane so that may be part of it.
I do like the Set concept and may adopt that. |
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Feb 2007 : 15:33:12
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One of the other fun things about Cyric is that he is insane. You can make the most convoluted plots you can imagine that amount to nothing at all :)
However, like I said earlier, it's more fun to make it appear that the convoluted plot had no real end goals while in all reality it was something else entirely (ie. the whole "Trial of Cyric" deal, imo that whole situation went exactly how Cyric wanted *g*) |
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see
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Feb 2007 : 09:01:01
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Remember, Talos and Umberlee get by almost entirely on placation.
Cyric probably has few devoted worshipers, and those would most likely be assassins and illusionists. But anyone making plots, planning murder, or telling lies probably should give him some attention. And anyone who would be on the receiving end of plots, murder attempts, or lies probably should offer him placation. Which means he's probably getting a lot of passing worship from scheming nobles, criminals (and officers of the law trying to catch them), merchants (both dishonest cheaters and honest ones trying to avoid being cheated), and so forth. |
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Lemernis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Feb 2007 : 14:53:29
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Feb 2007 : 16:34:58
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Originally posted by Lemernis
Faiths and Pantheons does say Cyric has "an immense following throughout Faerun," though.
Which has to be taken in a polytheistic sense, rather than a monotheistic sense.
You see, just because someone "follows" Cyric (and by follows I mean placates, gives a portion of worship to) doesn't mean they ONLY follow Cyric.
Further, Cyric is the god of lies and deception. Which means, without divine intervension, it's likely that he can convince you of just about anything. This also means that a devote worshiper of Cyric should be a decently accomplished liar or better.
Of course this whole post is based on what I think they mean by "followers" in F&P :) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Feb 2007 : 00:01:28
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Originally posted by see
Remember, Talos and Umberlee get by almost entirely on placation.
Cyric probably has few devoted worshipers, and those would most likely be assassins and illusionists. But anyone making plots, planning murder, or telling lies probably should give him some attention.
And look at it this way...is there anyone around who has never told a lie, ever? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Feb 2007 : 00:10:17
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I'd definately say that lies and even murder are actually pretty good portfolios to have when it comes to "placation" style power boosts. As has been stated, even fairly "good" people have told a few lies, and one or two of them might even invoke Cyric's name to cover their deed as well.
As far as murder goes, I can picture even fairly devout worshipers of Shar or Bane invoking Cyric to help them get away with a murder of a superior or the like. Heck, Cyric may even be more inclined to listen to them since the irony is just too great for him (though as Ed has pointed out, I doubt CLERICS of Shar or Bane would do this, but lay worshipers among the Zhentarim, for example).
It does seem that he is more accepted in the South of Faerun as well, and it may be more acceptable there for even a neutral aligned illusionist to hold him as patron, or perhaps a vizier or similar "court animal" who holds him as patron to allow them to be smooth "diplomats" and to see through the mechanations of others.
Although he might have a better "marketing campaign" going as far as new worshipers goes if he didn't have a skull as part of his symbol . . . |
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Twilight
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 14 Feb 2007 : 02:05:05
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| Cyric is the best |
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