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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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 Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 22:58:19
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I was thinking of having a cabal of warlocks as the Nentyarch of Narfell's elite guards/bodyguard.
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 28 Nov 2006 : 01:39:12
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I think that in general, warlocks in FR would follow the same basic ideas as in any world. Some make pacts with demon, others have some sort of heritage-based link to the fey world, and others might derive their powers from another source. As alluded to in DoF, there is likely to be something related to warlocks and the Sildėyuir, though what, I cannot (yet) say. Along with Erik's reference, we can surmise that they are a minor, but real presence in the Realms. Beyond that, I think people can use (or not use) them however they desire. The existing references are vague enough to be used casually or considerably (or not at all).
And amazingly enough (and I honestly didn't know about this when I wrote this post, hence this added edit), this is my 333rd post. It also happens to be about warlocks. I wonder if there's a connection. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 28 Nov 2006 : 01:55:10
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I wouldnt mind seeing a Warlock varient that hurls spellfire
Ive never really been satisfied that the Spellfire Channeler PrC adequetly represent what we know about spellfire
Theres no way that the Spellfire wielder from Eds novels had the 5 class levels that you need to have to pick up that PrC (She was at best a 2nd level thief when she first starts hurling spellfire |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Nov 2006 : 02:35:47
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I wouldnt mind seeing a Warlock varient that hurls spellfire
Ive never really been satisfied that the Spellfire Channeler PrC adequetly represent what we know about spellfire
Theres no way that the Spellfire wielder from Eds novels had the 5 class levels that you need to have to pick up that PrC (She was at best a 2nd level thief when she first starts hurling spellfire
1st actually, according to her 2e stats. :) |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 12:17:26
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I wouldnt mind seeing a Warlock varient that hurls spellfire
Ive never really been satisfied that the Spellfire Channeler PrC adequetly represent what we know about spellfire
Theres no way that the Spellfire wielder from Eds novels had the 5 class levels that you need to have to pick up that PrC (She was at best a 2nd level thief when she first starts hurling spellfire
To do some spellfire wielding, you just need one feet and the goodies are yours, no matter what class you have. Easiest option to annoy other spellcasters wanting to harm you ... and because of that, spellfire wielding has seen very (as in: VERY) little use ever since those three novels.
Regarding the topic, as I said, I regard warlocks as some sort of witchlike class ... and IMHO both the warlock as well as the witch suffer (or enjoy) the same sentiments from the populace. Whether they actually deserve it or not. What makes the use of this class a bit egdy is the different sort of "magic" they wield. Much like psionics or these fighting stuff in the Tome of Battle, these invocation rules are something player and DM have to take on board before using the class (and set it into relation to the "normal" rules) and more often than not, one party will decline the additional workload. Just MHO, of course. |
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 16:37:22
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| I would think that warlocks would be somewhat more common in countries with a strong summoning tradition, like Thay or perhaps many drow cities. I can see the demons/devils/whatever awakening the powers in some that may be nearby and don't know better, perhaps. Those individuals wouldn't necessarily need to be evil, although it does seem more likely. For good obsessed with vengance, it seems to me to that the pacts with good outsiders could be like the example of the first dragonborn, out of the Races of the Dragon. Without the physical transformation of course. |
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Lemernis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Dec 2006 : 03:58:36
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| Re: the notion of a warlock making pacts with a demons or devil does anyone know of any cults cited in canon that worship demons or devils (I guess that would be archdevils of demon princes, specifically, from the Nine Hells) anywhere in the Lands of Intrigue? I'm not aware of any from Lands of Intrigue, Empires of the Sands, Calimport, and Empires of the Shining Sea (though the latter for some reason I'm not able to search for keywords in the .pdf that I got from RPGNow). I would think these tend to be secretive anyway, though. |
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Dec 2006 : 04:03:33
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Originally posted by Lemernis
I'm not aware of any from Lands of Intrigue, Empires of the Sands, Calimport, and Empires of the Shining Sea (though the latter for some reason I'm not able to search for keywords in the .pdf that I got from RPGNow). I would think these tend to be secretive anyway, though.
They didn't OCR Empires of the Shining Sea. The file size is bigger too, consistent with a series of large images than text. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Dec 2006 : 04:05:12
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Originally posted by Lemernis
Re: the notion of a warlock making pacts with a demons or devil does anyone know of any cults cited in canon that worship demons or devils (I guess that would be archdevils of demon princes, specifically, from the Nine Hells) anywhere in the Lands of Intrigue? I'm not aware of any from Lands of Intrigue, Empires of the Sands, Calimport, and Empires of the Shining Sea (though the latter for some reason I'm not able to search for keywords in the .pdf that I got from RPGNow). I would think these tend to be secretive anyway, though.
Although he is a deity now, Gargauth was/is the secret patron of the Knights of the Shield, active in the Land of Intruigue. Over the years I can see a few members of the Knights of the Shield entering into pacts and perhaps becoming warlocks . . . hm . . . at any rate, when the organization was founded, Gargauth was "just" an exiled archdevil. |
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Lemernis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Dec 2006 : 04:34:09
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| Tnx! Yeah, IIRC it's actually a secret to the Knights of the Shield that Gargauth is involved, though. I think even the two senior members Hhune and Ghantuz don't actually know who the Hidden Lord of the Shield actually is. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Dec 2006 : 04:41:17
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| I beleive you are correct . . . don't have my books at hand at the moment, but I could see Gargauth, since he is active in the area, making pacts with families associated with the organization, even if he did so without revealing who he really was. |
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Lemernis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Dec 2006 : 05:08:02
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| Ah, true! It makes sense for a power like that to try to grow his influence in the region as such, i.e., other than solely through disguised manipulation of the Knights of the Shield. |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 00:27:12
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I like the warlocks, as they're different from the usual spellcaster, and powerful enough (especially when run as a villain with the usual flunkies) to be a tough opponent.
F'r instance, I was thinking of using a warlock half-fiend dwarf as a ruler within the mines of Tethyamar, leading goblinkin, worghests, and tieflings (some of whom are also taking training as warlocks) as a long-term enemy for any players I ever get. The idea being to send PCs into the mines to reclaim them for the dwarves & the Tethyamar royals, only to learn that there is one other descendant of the old royal line remaining, and he's not happy that outsiders are trying to throw him off his rightful throne...
After they get in, I imagine they'd be happy when they finally find that undead dwarf cleric & his rune golems (? the ones from MM2) who've been using that rune circle to keep the Deeplord out of the most sacred chambers of Old Tethyamar. |
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