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Penknight
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 Posted - 03 Nov 2006 : 04:45:14
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Ok, if a person wanted to make a fey'ri bladesinger, exactly what build would you recommend and why? I am wanting to play one, seeing as how my other character got knocked off (stupid traps), but I am uncertain as to which PrC of bladesinger to actually use. Is one of them actually "carved in stone definite" to the Realms, or is it anyone's call? Thank you for the help. 
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Nov 2006 : 05:02:19
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As a DM I use the one from Races of Faerun, although technically I'm sure you could make an arguement that since Complete Warrior is more current, it is the "official last word" on the PrC. I kind of like the idea of it being a separate tradition that has its own set of spells that work with its abilities, but I know that there are others that disagree. I just was never that moved by the Complete Warrior version of the class, but as to which one is official, that would be up to your DM.
For what its worth though, the avarial bladesinger in the Year of Rogue Dragons books, Taegan Nightwind, appears to be pretty much portrayed as using the Races of Faerun version of the class. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 03 Nov 2006 : 13:52:32
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After Last Mythal...how many Fey'ri are still alive, and how many are in hiding?
The problem with daemonfey/fey'ri is that they are tied to House Dlardregeth. As such a PC would be an oddity that would probably be considered a traitor to his own people, and also hunted by the other races. Also, you should consider that Sarya Dlardregeth would not suffer such a traitor to live long prior to the start of Last Mythal since the presence of one fey're would alarm others to the rebirth of them.
As a NPC no problem, as a PC I would not allow it.
Plus it sounds very much like Drizzt...
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Nov 2006 : 14:23:43
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I'm adventuring with a fellow player that is a Fey'ri battle mage. I would say that it is less than impressive truth be told. It's one of those races that actually can drag a game down. Just my opinion.  For instance my Sun Elf mage will never be considered for the teaching of high magic.  All because this player wanted to be a Fey'ri which hasn't allowed him to do anything more than fly from time to time and he could have done that as a wizard anyways. He should have been a base FR race. There I go rambling.
Here are some other things to consider:
-People hate Fey'ri, lots of stigma attached to them at the moment.  Screws with canon FR role-playing situations.
-In order to become a bladesinger you'll need a lot of feats and you might want the hover feat as you do not get this as a Fey'ri. That takes an extra feat and trust me it is useful.
-The level adjust is not worth it. At all. My Sun elf mage could easily take a few feats and become a bladesinger and still be a rocking good mage that would hose down any fey'ri that tried to take me on with the same EL. (I'm bragging but I think this might actually be possible.)  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Nov 2006 : 15:07:26
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
After Last Mythal...how many Fey'ri are still alive, and how many are in hiding?
The problem with daemonfey/fey'ri is that they are tied to House Dlardregeth. As such a PC would be an oddity that would probably be considered a traitor to his own people, and also hunted by the other races. Also, you should consider that Sarya Dlardregeth would not suffer such a traitor to live long prior to the start of Last Mythal since the presence of one fey're would alarm others to the rebirth of them.
There are ways around this... And doesn't Races of Faerūn state that most, but not all fey'ri, are associated with House Dlardrageth and it's allies? I'm pretty certain it left the possibility for fey'ri not associated with those houses, though there certainly wouldn't be many of them.
I can think of a couple of ways to divorce a fey'ri from that background; either initially (they never had any connections to Sarya), or by finding a way out from under her. (Really, could she have personally known every fey'ri she freed?)
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As a NPC no problem, as a PC I would not allow it.
I'd only allow it in an evil or neutral party, unless the PC had an extremely good reason for being good. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 03 Nov 2006 : 15:52:51
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| The fey'ri had bladesingers in 2e. :) |
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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 03 Nov 2006 : 16:37:05
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| Hmm... without revealing too much, I think a fey'ri bladesinger would be just fine. You could go with the current bladesigner mechanic or use a duskblade. It would essentially accomplish the same purpose. |
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Penknight
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Posted - 04 Nov 2006 : 01:20:58
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Would you guys recommend going wizard or sorcerer for the arcane caster requisite? I know that they get the +2 to Int. and nothing to their Cha. score.
Also, couldn't they (the fey'ri) just use their alter self ability to make themselves appear to be a normal sun elf or another elf? I know that in 2nd Edition they mentioned several fey'ri that used that to make themselves appear to be other than they were. One of my favorites was the fey'ri that appeared as a half moon elf and worked in a tavern in Waterdeep. She did this at the behest of Sarya and was a spy. Who's to say that she didn't send my character off under the same style of directive and had me meet up with a group of adventurers to learn more about the Realms? (That is the story that I am proposing to my DM...) |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 04 Nov 2006 : 17:15:58
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Originally posted by Penknight
Would you guys recommend going wizard or sorcerer for the arcane caster requisite? I know that they get the +2 to Int. and nothing to their Cha. score.
Also, couldn't they (the fey'ri) just use their alter self ability to make themselves appear to be a normal sun elf or another elf? I know that in 2nd Edition they mentioned several fey'ri that used that to make themselves appear to be other than they were. One of my favorites was the fey'ri that appeared as a half moon elf and worked in a tavern in Waterdeep. She did this at the behest of Sarya and was a spy. Who's to say that she didn't send my character off under the same style of directive and had me meet up with a group of adventurers to learn more about the Realms? (That is the story that I am proposing to my DM...)
I've always felt that the bonus to Int was a bit puzzling. From a game perspective, an Int based spellcasting class is a better choice. From a lore perspective, fey'ri are more traditionally sorcerers. |
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Penknight
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Nov 2006 : 02:38:26
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
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Originally posted by Penknight
Would you guys recommend going wizard or sorcerer for the arcane caster requisite? I know that they get the +2 to Int. and nothing to their Cha. score.
Also, couldn't they (the fey'ri) just use their alter self ability to make themselves appear to be a normal sun elf or another elf? I know that in 2nd Edition they mentioned several fey'ri that used that to make themselves appear to be other than they were. One of my favorites was the fey'ri that appeared as a half moon elf and worked in a tavern in Waterdeep. She did this at the behest of Sarya and was a spy. Who's to say that she didn't send my character off under the same style of directive and had me meet up with a group of adventurers to learn more about the Realms? (That is the story that I am proposing to my DM...)
I've always felt that the bonus to Int was a bit puzzling. From a game perspective, an Int based spellcasting class is a better choice. From a lore perspective, fey'ri are more traditionally sorcerers.
If I may ask, what exactly is the "official version" of the Realms bladesinger? Does the version in Complete Warrior override the version in Races of Faerun? |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 05 Nov 2006 : 18:23:16
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Originally posted by Penknight
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
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Originally posted by Penknight
Would you guys recommend going wizard or sorcerer for the arcane caster requisite? I know that they get the +2 to Int. and nothing to their Cha. score.
Also, couldn't they (the fey'ri) just use their alter self ability to make themselves appear to be a normal sun elf or another elf? I know that in 2nd Edition they mentioned several fey'ri that used that to make themselves appear to be other than they were. One of my favorites was the fey'ri that appeared as a half moon elf and worked in a tavern in Waterdeep. She did this at the behest of Sarya and was a spy. Who's to say that she didn't send my character off under the same style of directive and had me meet up with a group of adventurers to learn more about the Realms? (That is the story that I am proposing to my DM...)
I've always felt that the bonus to Int was a bit puzzling. From a game perspective, an Int based spellcasting class is a better choice. From a lore perspective, fey'ri are more traditionally sorcerers.
If I may ask, what exactly is the "official version" of the Realms bladesinger? Does the version in Complete Warrior override the version in Races of Faerun?
I'm not an official source, so this is just my opinion, but I think both are valid. Races of Faerun was written fairly close to the switch to 3.5. Many of the races from that book have not been updated because their statistics are fairly solid from a 3.5 perspective. From the most literal perspective, CW's version is more recent, so it should take precedent, but it is not an FR source. I'm not sure there really is an absolutely official answer. Each version of the PrC has slight advantages and disadvantages.
I would design the character based on which fit better. I also think that five feats for any PrC is completely unreasonable, so I would go with the Complete Warrior requirements and then just work out with the DM what the abilities would be. |
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Penknight
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Kazzaroth
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 13 Nov 2006 : 11:57:19
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| I would advice take Duskblade because I think it suits fey'ri the most. But if you want take 'true' bladesinger levels I recomend wizard/fighter tough (use figther variant from Complete Mage to able cast spells in light armor). Duskblade could qualify for bladesinger but it would be waste of alot possible talent to cast varied and more powerfull spells than duskblade ever gets. |
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