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Kalin Agrivar
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 Posted - 28 Aug 2006 : 16:19:57
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I just noticed in Candlekeep's bibliography that in the comics listing the (DC Comics) Forgotten Realms comics is listed but the (DC Comics) Advanced Dungeons and Dragons series is not...which technically is not a "Realms" comic but practically it is...it is the "Waterdeep" comic series that has become "more" canonish than the For comic has and ran longer than the For comic...
An oversight? Maybe a correction to the bibliography? I hope so...I enjoyed the "Waterdeep" series a little bit more than the "Realmsmaster" series" 
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Aug 2006 : 17:13:00
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Big Al has been planning on updating that section of the site for a while, now. He's just been too busy being a harsh taskmaster on the rest of us.   
And actually, since AD&D was set mostly in and around Waterdeep, it is a Realms comic. That's not to mention the fact that many characters and situations from the comics have been entered into canon lore by sourcebooks, which makes it canon. Timoth Eyesbright, Onyx the Invincible, and Vajra Valmeyjar are all down in Tethyr, and Kyri is proprietor of Selūne's Smile, she's a prominent person at the House of the Moon, she's a Moonstar and Lord of Waterdeep, and she appears in Blackstaff. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 28 Aug 2006 : 19:04:00
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Big Al has been planning on updating that section of the site for a while, now. He's just been too busy being a harsh taskmaster on the rest of us.
Well met
How did I know that the first person to respond to this would be the Furry One
Indeed, Wooly is correct. I have been meaning to get this done for some time. I'll endeavor to complete these pages over the coming weeks. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2006 : 19:05:52
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Well met
How did I know that the first person to respond to this would be the Furry One
Indeed, Wooly is correct. I have been meaning to get this done for some time. I'll endeavor to complete these pages over the coming weeks.
Hi Alaundo
is everything in both comics considered canon ? |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 28 Aug 2006 : 19:32:40
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| As Jeff Grubb wrote them (and a couple short stories about the same characters in Dragon magazine), both Steven Schend and Eric Boyd are both big fans of the comics, and they and many ohter authors have included reference to them or things in those comics in actual books, I'd say that the events in the comics are as canon as most of the novels, if not more so. |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 28 Aug 2006 : 19:33:59
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| BTW, the official FR comics were the AD&D comic series and the FR comic series. That said, there was some crossover, particularly with the Spelljammer comic series (which honestly wasn't nearly as well done overall as the other two). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 28 Aug 2006 : 20:18:28
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Originally posted by TomCosta
BTW, the official FR comics were the AD&D comic series and the FR comic series. That said, there was some crossover, particularly with the Spelljammer comic series (which honestly wasn't nearly as well done overall as the other two).
Yeah, Spelljammer crossed over with both Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms. The title was just starting to get interesting when they all ended. 
But one character from FR went to Spelljammer, and later returned to the Realms in the novel Finder's Bane. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 28 Aug 2006 : 20:24:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
But one character from FR went to Spelljammer, and later returned to the Realms in the novel Finder's Bane.
yeah the girl with the wings (Jade? I remember it is a simple name)
for a while I thought she was going to become a major character, like Arylin or Alias... |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 Aug 2006 : 02:10:04
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Jasmine appeared, as Wooly said, in Finder's Bane and Tymora's Luck, and when she ran into Selune, she felt as if she had met her before (a reference, most likely, to the AD&D comic and Selune's avatar that ran the tavern therein).
Dwalimor Omen and the Realmsmaster were mentioned in Shining South, and again, as Wooly pointed out, Kyri has been referenced several places in 3rd/3.5 edition.
I guess what I was trying to point out is that even if the comics weren't "official" (and I beleive they are considered such), enough peripheral information has come about in "official" sources that just about every character and the general events surrounding them has been hinted at to make them so.
I always liked Priam Agrivar, and would love to see him show up again. Then again, I'm feeling nostalgic since I just finished reading Tymora's Luck. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Aug 2006 : 02:15:48
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The Realms Master, and her crew, is also written up in Dragon 247 during 2e.
Vartan is mentioned in Demihuman Deities and in Planescape material. On Hallowed Ground, I think it is. Kyri is also in For Duty and Deity and a few other 2e sourcebooks that Wooly didn't mention. :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36804 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2006 : 02:23:53
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Originally posted by Kuje
The Realms Master, and her crew, is also written up in Dragon 247 during 2e.
And the bunch from AD&D was written up either an issue before or an issue after -- I think it was 246.
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Originally posted by Kuje
Kyri is also in For Duty and Deity and a few other 2e sourcebooks that Wooly didn't mention. :)
Powers & Pantheons and Cloak & Dagger being the main ones. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 29 Aug 2006 : 02:28:43
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Oh, and a minor character intro'ed in the AD&D comic appeared in a couple of the earlier anthologies.
Plus, one of the characters in Blackstaff was the son of a bit character who had all of about 3 pages of air time in one comic book. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Aug 2006 : 02:34:04
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Originally posted by Kuje
The Realms Master, and her crew, is also written up in Dragon 247 during 2e.
Vartan is mentioned in Demihuman Deities and in Planescape material. On Hallowed Ground, I think it is. Kyri is also in For Duty and Deity and a few other 2e sourcebooks that Wooly didn't mention. :)
On Hallowed Ground it is -- specifically Labelas's entry.
The 2e sources for Kyri are Cloak & Dagger and Powers & Pantheons. And DRAGON #246.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2006 : 03:00:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Echo... echo... echo...
That's what I was thinking. :) |
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
266 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2006 : 03:02:41
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| I think it's time for another Forgotten Realms comic series, something with original or lesser known characters set up for the serial nature of comics. No more rehash of Drizzt's novels into comic form, as interesting as those are, something more independent of established novels would be refreshing. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Aug 2006 : 03:07:59
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Echo... echo... echo...
Hey, we did it again the other day with the Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II details. Why break the trend that's forming? |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 29 Aug 2006 : 03:11:03
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Well met
How did I know that the first person to respond to this would be the Furry One
Indeed, Wooly is correct. I have been meaning to get this done for some time. I'll endeavor to complete these pages over the coming weeks.
Hi Alaundo
is everything in both comics considered canon ?
As the guy who used to be the liaison and approvals guy for TSR and the AD&D comic with Kim Yale (may she rest in peace) at DC, I can say unequivocally that the events and characters are all canonical.
Steven
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 31 Aug 2006 : 00:29:06
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And actually, since AD&D was set mostly in and around Waterdeep, it is a Realms comic. That's not to mention the fact that many characters and situations from the comics have been entered into canon lore by sourcebooks, which makes it canon. Timoth Eyesbright, Onyx the Invincible, and Vajra Valmeyjar are all down in Tethyr, and Kyri is proprietor of Selūne's Smile, she's a prominent person at the House of the Moon, she's a Moonstar and Lord of Waterdeep, and she appears in Blackstaff.
That last bit of information just gives me all the more reason to grab a copy of Blackstaff. I always did like Kyriana and the others (and didn't Vajra become a champion of Selune or the like?).
And just where all have the other characters been mentioned, aside from the sources listed above? Did anyone ever write down what became of Dwalimor or the golem she-dwarf (I forget her name)? |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Sep 2006 : 02:54:03
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| Have they considered putting the AD&D comic into trades? I have a few old ones but not the whole series. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Sep 2006 : 17:26:48
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
Have they considered putting the AD&D comic into trades? I have a few old ones but not the whole series.
It doesn't seem likely that an older (and unfortunately, not terribly popular) series would get collected into a trade paperback -- especially since it was a collaboration between two companies.
I see various issues of the comic pop up on eBay pretty often, so I'd recommend looking there. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 Sep 2006 : 01:24:59
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
Have they considered putting the AD&D comic into trades? I have a few old ones but not the whole series.
It doesn't seem likely that an older (and unfortunately, not terribly popular) series would get collected into a trade paperback -- especially since it was a collaboration between two companies.
Agreed.
Though comic companies have developed TPB of joint work before... like Marvel/DC, Marvel/Image, Marvel/Wildstorm, DC/Verigo, and Dark Horse/Image -- but these have all been fairly popular series in their own rights.
The new FR comics featuring Drizzt may rekindled some interest in older FR comics, eventually... to the point where they may be either reprinted or collected together into trade-paperbacks. But for now howeverm the focus is still on Drizzt comics.
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I see various issues of the comic pop up on eBay pretty often, so I'd recommend looking there.
Milehigh Comics tends to have copies pop up occasionally as well... though just not the three I'm missing.  |
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 03 Sep 2006 : 16:29:53
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| The Drizzt series is well done. I know they started a Dragonlance one as well. |
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 04 Sep 2006 : 03:41:35
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Originally posted by The Sage
The DL series has had all kinds of up and downs.
I'm glad the publishers have decided to print the entire series as TPB next year.
I like the art in the Drizzt book more than at DL which I only glanced at. I have the first Drizzt TPB. Its great. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 04 Sep 2006 : 06:08:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
The DL series has had all kinds of up and downs.
As did the old DC/TSR title... They couldn't decide which characters to focus on, nor even what timeframe to stick with... The first couple of story arcs were good, but after that, it was all over the place. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 04 Sep 2006 : 06:44:01
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
The DL series has had all kinds of up and downs.
As did the old DC/TSR title... They couldn't decide which characters to focus on, nor even what timeframe to stick with... The first couple of story arcs were good, but after that, it was all over the place.
Aye.
Though, I was actually referring to the printing and publishing of the new DL comic. It's had all kinds of problems, including shipping to countries outside the US.
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Kuje
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Posted - 04 Sep 2006 : 23:29:31
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Ah hum,
We all missed another reference. Pages 58 to 59 of Shining South for 3/3.5e has the stats for the Astrolabe of Nimbral and the reference to the Realms Master. :)
Er, maybe that was the reference Knight meant but he didn't clarify which Shining South he was talking about since there was the old sourcebook of the same name. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 05 Sep 2006 : 01:43:33
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Originally posted by Kuje
We all missed another reference. Pages 58 to 59 of Shining South for 3/3.5e has the stats for the Astrolabe of Nimbral and the reference to the Realms Master. :)
Oh, yes... so it was.
Funny, I recorded this in my notebooks, but failed to mention it here. 
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Sep 2006 : 03:01:31
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Kuje
We all missed another reference. Pages 58 to 59 of Shining South for 3/3.5e has the stats for the Astrolabe of Nimbral and the reference to the Realms Master. :)
Oh, yes... so it was.
Funny, I recorded this in my notebooks, but failed to mention it here.
I mentioned that one recently in another thread. I just didn't mention it here, because I wasn't running thru the entire list. |
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