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Effect
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 :  16:27:27  Show Profile  Visit Effect's Homepage Send Effect a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
From what I can understand through the use of his powers he is pretty much going to age rapidly, at least that's and Danica suggest. I haven't read past this series yet (read Drow series about Drizzt, the Icewind Dale Trilogy and now the Cleric Quintet series (finally got around to it (well skipped a head here and there but rereading now)). Anyway after this and in other books, his apperance, how much has it changed?

Is he an old man now due to him using the divine magic or has he not changed as much? Dead or alive? Is Danica still with him? Any children?

Anything you can tell me about what happens to the character would be great. Thanks.

Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 :  16:33:34  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Effect

From what I can understand through the use of his powers he is pretty much going to age rapidly, at least that's and Danica suggest. I haven't read past this series yet (read Drow series about Drizzt, the Icewind Dale Trilogy and now the Cleric Quintet series (finally got around to it (well skipped a head here and there but rereading now)). Anyway after this and in other books, his apperance, how much has it changed?

Is he an old man now due to him using the divine magic or has he not changed as much? Dead or alive? Is Danica still with him? Any children?

Anything you can tell me about what happens to the character would be great. Thanks.



basically at the end of the Cleric Quintet Cadderly is the choosen of Deinir (sp?) and uses his own life-force to rebuild/restore/reconsecrate his church...thus he is weak and old and dieing by the end of the series...he is married to Danica and they have twins (I think they were twins)

but as a gift afterword Denier, in reward for Cadderly's great sacrifice to rebuild the church the god restores Cadderly's vitality and youth

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Effect
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 :  16:40:23  Show Profile  Visit Effect's Homepage Send Effect a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks. The part about him being restore and having kids, exactly where is that said and happen?
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 :  16:44:41  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Effect

Thanks. The part about him being restore and having kids, exactly where is that said and happen?



the kids are in the last book of the Cleris Quintet...The restoration is in the Cadderly's first appearance in the Drizzt series..

But I'm sure Sage or one of the others can give the specifics for those details

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 16 Aug 2006 :  01:25:38  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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but as a gift afterword Denier, in reward for Cadderly's great sacrifice to rebuild the church the god restores Cadderly's vitality and youth



Yeah, isn't that awesome? Cadderly gets all that power for zero sacrifice.

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Foxhelm
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Posted - 16 Aug 2006 :  01:48:12  Show Profile Send Foxhelm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by kalin agrivar

but as a gift afterword Denier, in reward for Cadderly's great sacrifice to rebuild the church the god restores Cadderly's vitality and youth



Yeah, isn't that awesome? Cadderly gets all that power for zero sacrifice.



The thing was that Cadderly didn't know that he would be rewarded with his renewed youth. It is like returning a wallet filled with hundred dollar bills because it was the right thing to do only to be rewarded by surprise by the owner with a couple of hundred bills.

The test of faith was that Cadderly was willing to sacrifice all he had (His lifeforce, his life with Danica, his time with his children) to his god so that Deneir would be empowered in the land. He expected to die in the attempt and was willing to continue. As a high cleric of the Faith he could do no less.

Denier like any responible Diety was willing to do what he could to reward his worshipper for his sacrifice. People willing to give everything for the cause are rare and should be rewarded.

Just my thoughts.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 16 Aug 2006 :  02:02:13  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My personal opinion, is that if sacrifice is rewarded (at least as directly as it was in Cadderly's case), it's no longer a sacrifice. Cadderly loses his youth, vigor, etc. because of his sacrifice which was meant to please his god. Cadderly's sacrifice pleases his god, so he gets...exactly what he lost (his youth!). So, what exactly was lost here?

Sorry, but I just find that corny. Not trying to start a huge debate or anything, but that's just my feeling on the matter.

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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 16 Aug 2006 02:02:32
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mavericace
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 :  00:58:09  Show Profile  Visit mavericace's Homepage Send mavericace a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree with Foxhelm, plus what kind of good god would want to see one of his most loyal clerics just up and die lol. I am glad he is still alive.
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Foxhelm
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This has evolved to a religion discussion, which means that we all must tread lightly as everyone can see the divine in a different way.

I have not read the Novel involving the regeneration, but does it state how the regeneration is gained? Could it be an effect from a secondary quest/mission that Cadderly had to pass? One that might be even harder in his aged state? I think it is vague, so it could be any number of methods.

Just trying to build a bridge...

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 :  02:18:04  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by mavericace

I agree with Foxhelm, plus what kind of good god would want to see one of his most loyal clerics just up and die lol. I am glad he is still alive.



He didn't need to die, he just didn't need to get all his youth and vitality back.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 :  02:41:01  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
He didn't need to die, he just didn't need to get all his youth and vitality back.



I'm inbetween the two opinions here...I think such a selfless and willing sacrifice that was unasked for deserved such a reward but his death would have made the sacrifice (and the hero Cadderly) even greater

but he was dieing...at the end of the last book Danica thinks he won't last the winter...and that is what made him great

(even though [IMHO] I thought the 5th book was totally unnessary and was tacked on only to complete the Quintet)

it was (real) years later RAS decided to reveal Cadderly was renewed and rewarded and young again...in a Drizzt novel..

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 :  03:43:56  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't care very much for Cadderly to begin with, but I think his renewed youth and vitality makes him just one more "hero" who--in the end--doesn't have to pay very much for his victories.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Ilztfryn Claddghym
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Posted - 15 Sep 2006 :  16:56:12  Show Profile  Visit Ilztfryn Claddghym's Homepage Send Ilztfryn Claddghym a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cadderly rocks! I believe that he will have to pay though I dont know how yet!

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