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Ayunken-vanzan
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 Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 09:12:13
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
You are all forgetting The spell lord of Fearūn... Namely Melcar Silverdragon.
15 wizard
5 Arcane Avatar
2 Arch Mage.
He took out Manshoon in 5 rounds.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 14:41:18
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Bad news.....no way in the abyss does he make the top 50 anymore since he cannot risk using his magic anymore. Due in part to his worsening insanity and in part to his magic can and does go horribly wrong if attempted.
According to The Simbul over on the WotC boards (who, apparently, has the book), the bits about El being insane and having voices in his head make no appearance in the FRCG. |
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keijemon
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 15:01:06
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OK, I went back to the store and thumbed through FRCG again. I know I should've caught it before asking here, but hey, I missed Silverymoon because Silver Marches and Co. now have some weirdo name and Silverymoon itself is classified as old elven city.
Here is what I found:
1) Elminster is alive and lives in Shadowdale
2) His power is diminished without Mystra, he lost all abilities dependent on his status as Chosen, though he is still immortal
3) He can no longer secure the passage between Underdark and Shadowdale, drow excursions follow (and adventurers go down)
4) He is more averse than ever to company and sharing his wisdom; lives out his days on a farm smoking his pipe
No mention of insanity and such, and his description of current self is quite reasonable and lucid. He just seems to lament his tough ordeal and want some peace and quiet. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 15:25:18
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Originally posted by keijemon
I missed Silverymoon because Silver Marches and Co. now have some weirdo name and Silverymoon itself is classified as old elven city.
Luruar was the originally intended name for the Silver Marches. It was inexplicably changed with 3E.
The name Luruar comes from Lurue the Unicorn, the patron goddess of Silverymoon, which was named after her (another of her names was Silverymoon). Of course, if Lurue is even mentioned in the Shattered Realms, she's likely an Exarch -- which makes naming both a city and a nation after her kinda odd. |
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keijemon
Acolyte
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 15:56:19
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Luruar was the originally intended name for the Silver Marches. It was inexplicably changed with 3E.
The name Luruar comes from Lurue the Unicorn, the patron goddess of Silverymoon, which was named after her (another of her names was Silverymoon). Of course, if Lurue is even mentioned in the Shattered Realms, she's likely an Exarch -- which makes naming both a city and a nation after her kinda odd.
That is something they should've explained in the entry for Luruar. Although seeing how she is not one of detailed greater gods, not one of 19 "normal" gods, and doesn't appear in the list of exarchs (although this list may not be exhaustive, unlike the other 2), I don't think she will be presented as having a connection to that land. Although FRPG may give a better overview of old hubs and religions and how they changed over the spellplague.
And I sure as hell hope that they are going to explain how Blood War ended, instead of current one sentence "Asmodeus drop kicked Abyss into the bottom of elemental chaos". |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 16:17:20
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Originally posted by keijemon
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Luruar was the originally intended name for the Silver Marches. It was inexplicably changed with 3E.
The name Luruar comes from Lurue the Unicorn, the patron goddess of Silverymoon, which was named after her (another of her names was Silverymoon). Of course, if Lurue is even mentioned in the Shattered Realms, she's likely an Exarch -- which makes naming both a city and a nation after her kinda odd.
That is something they should've explained in the entry for Luruar. Although seeing how she is not one of detailed greater gods, not one of 19 "normal" gods, and doesn't appear in the list of exarchs (although this list may not be exhaustive, unlike the other 2), I don't think she will be presented as having a connection to that land. Although FRPG may give a better overview of old hubs and religions and how they changed over the spellplague.
And I sure as hell hope that they are going to explain how Blood War ended, instead of current one sentence "Asmodeus drop kicked Abyss into the bottom of elemental chaos".
Lurue was originally a demipower, just like Nobanion. During development of the Shattered Realms, Nobanion was originally turned into a human druid, then was briefly an exarch, and then disappeared altogether. So I'm figuring Lurue didn't make the cut to 4E.
So like I said, that leaves us with a prominent city and a nation that are both named after someone that doesn't exist in the 4E Realms. To me, that's just plain silly -- even more than the multiple name changes for this area, which have never had an in-game explanation.
It would certainly be nice for there to be a reasonable explanation for how a war that had lasted for time immemorial came to an apparently abrupt and decisive end, but I fear this is another thing that will never be explained. I wish I could say otherwise, but since 3E came out, we've had countless things changed with either no explanation, a poor explanation (It was always that way, and no one knew!), or even worse, an explanation that contradicts itself. I have come to the conclusion that continuity became an afterthought early in 3E, and wasn't even a factor in 4E. |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 16:21:22
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And I sure as hell hope that they are going to explain how Blood War ended, instead of current one sentence "Asmodeus drop kicked Abyss into the bottom of elemental chaos".
Unlikely, since the Player's Guide seems to contain mostly crunch and much less fluff (i. e. lore). What they did not explain in the CS, they will potentially explain in Dragon articles or not at all. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 17:35:44
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Bad news.....no way in the abyss does he make the top 50 anymore since he cannot risk using his magic anymore. Due in part to his worsening insanity and in part to his magic can and does go horribly wrong if attempted.
According to The Simbul over on the WotC boards (who, apparently, has the book), the bits about El being insane and having voices in his head make no appearance in the FRCG.
It does not surprise me that they aren't in the book. Those tidbits came directly from Ed at Secrets of the FR during Gencon , and as he also said "if I say it ,it is so" (said in good cheer of course!), as we know what Ed says is canon which is why he is so careful about what he says and when he says it.
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Imaskari Ancient
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Posted - 06 Jul 2009 : 06:45:35
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 Jul 2009 : 15:28:23
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Originally posted by Imaskari Ancient
Well i dont know names as for i havent picked up any of the 4e books for FR yet, but from what i skimmed through the FR stuff ive heard there are some big bad uber Aboleths that control a small chunk of the Sea of Fallen Stars..(?).
Yeah. They have a flying tower surrounding by flying krakens. |
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Tasker Daze
Seeker
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Posted - 06 Jul 2009 : 17:13:51
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The Simbul
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 : 04:03:20
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Bad news.....no way in the abyss does he make the top 50 anymore since he cannot risk using his magic anymore. Due in part to his worsening insanity and in part to his magic can and does go horribly wrong if attempted.
According to The Simbul over on the WotC boards (who, apparently, has the book), the bits about El being insane and having voices in his head make no appearance in the FRCG.
It does not surprise me that they aren't in the book. Those tidbits came directly from Ed at Secrets of the FR during Gencon , and as he also said "if I say it ,it is so" (said in good cheer of course!), as we know what Ed says is canon which is why he is so careful about what he says and when he says it.
Ed: punctuation
The Elminster that is described in the Campaign Guide is one of the most wondrous surprises I found when I skimmed the book, which in turn inspired me to read the rest of it, which in turn led me to many things that redeemed the 4E Realms for me. Specifically his entry was nothing as I had expected: he is still immortal, still a great sage, and still a very powerful mage...and this time he is actually retired for real. Moreover, we can at least assume from another character sidebar in the book that he is likely living contentedly ever after with the Simbul..given that there is not much else she is likely to be doing in the Dalelands.
By contrast the "insane", intermittently "possessed", and "unable to use magic" version of Elminster hinted at in various remarks by Ed Greenwood at seminars, in IGN articles, or other media prior to the release of the Campaign Guide--and propounded by the echo chamber of the internet--were one of the many ambiguous hints about the 4E realms from authors that had made me adamantly opposed to the entire notion of the 4E Realms prior to it's release. Those statements, alongside the jarring Chris Perkins interview with GamerZero, and the rampant apocalyptic speculation of fans, were far more grave than anything I actually found in the book.
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 15 Apr 2010 : 13:18:10
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/back to the original topic/
So what we arrived at for the top 50? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jul 2010 : 06:01:59
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Larloch
Telamont Tanthul
Elminster
Rivalen Tanthul
The Simbul
The Srinshee
Melegaunt Tanthul
Clariburnus Tanthul
Szass Tam
Lallara Mediocros (no confirmation that she "actually" died; she could have used a teleportation ring after Aoth escaped)
Gromph Baenre
Yaphyll (no confirmation that she "actually" died; she could have teleported, or at least a part of her, to the future when she was touched by the SP while casting her most powerful divination for Tam)
Vangy
Nevron (no confirmation that he "actually" met his demise in hell; he could have transformed back to human and escaped hell through a contingency spell)
Zalathorm Kirkson
Vaeril Rhuidhen
Lauzoril (no confirmation that he "actually" fell and died; he could have arrested his fall right before plunging to rocks when Szass Tam repelled his enchantment)
Ammon Jerro
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Saxmilian
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jul 2010 : 20:09:49
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| Mecadexia Appleblossom of Waterdeep a merchant-mage who grew to fame summoning those from the nether-realms to serve her in just causes. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 05:07:42
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| How about Robillard? Destroying the Archmage Arcane is no easy feat. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 06:18:31
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I see...
Larloch's 60 lich-servitors, or some of them, should be in this list. Were ALL their names ever revealed? |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 06:39:16
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Robillard died in The Pirate King. He was killed in the explosion of the broken Staff of Archmage.
Robillard survived to the end of that book. He did not die. His fate otherwise is unknown |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 06:50:03
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Originally posted by keijemon
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Luruar was the originally intended name for the Silver Marches. It was inexplicably changed with 3E.
The name Luruar comes from Lurue the Unicorn, the patron goddess of Silverymoon, which was named after her (another of her names was Silverymoon). Of course, if Lurue is even mentioned in the Shattered Realms, she's likely an Exarch -- which makes naming both a city and a nation after her kinda odd.
That is something they should've explained in the entry for Luruar. Although seeing how she is not one of detailed greater gods, not one of 19 "normal" gods, and doesn't appear in the list of exarchs (although this list may not be exhaustive, unlike the other 2), I don't think she will be presented as having a connection to that land. Although FRPG may give a better overview of old hubs and religions and how they changed over the spellplague.
And I sure as hell hope that they are going to explain how Blood War ended, instead of current one sentence "Asmodeus drop kicked Abyss into the bottom of elemental chaos".
This is probably personal bais on my part if my name is any indication, but I like the "Asmodeus drop-kicking the Abyss" explaination. Has a great "cutting Gordian's knot" feel to it. After countless centuries of schemes and plans and strategies and warfare...he just slaps the thing away. My two cents. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 23:18:23
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Originally posted by Dennis
I see...
Larloch's 60 lich-servitors, or some of them, should be in this list. Were ALL their names ever revealed?
All of them? No. I recall a few of the powerful archwizard liches names popping up, but only a few. Can't remember which dnd book either |
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 23:59:43
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Firestorm
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 00:32:01
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Originally posted by Dennis
All of them are Netherese?
It never specifies. The warlock's crypt is meant to be mysterious and a place avoided at all costs.
We do know several of them are indeed former Netherese archwizards. When i get home from work, I will quickly see if I can find the passage I remember with the stats on a specific Archwizard Lich in servitude to Larloch. I believe it is in the players guide to Faerun, but i could be wrong. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 00:50:32
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Dennis
All of them are Netherese?
It never specifies. The warlock's crypt is meant to be mysterious and a place avoided at all costs.
For the most part. Though I've got a question pending with Ed about the Crypt, and its occupants. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 01:05:55
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Dennis
All of them are Netherese?
It never specifies. The warlock's crypt is meant to be mysterious and a place avoided at all costs.
We do know several of them are indeed former Netherese archwizards. When i get home from work, I will quickly see if I can find the passage I remember with the stats on a specific Archwizard Lich in servitude to Larloch. I believe it is in the players guide to Faerun, but i could be wrong.
I'm looking forward to that. I've always been curious about the 60+ lich-servitors, for they themselves are more than enough deterrents for adventurers and power-hungry evil cabals to venture in Larloch's fortress. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 03:16:12
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I personally would expect that many -- perhaps even the majority -- of Larloch's liches are indeed Netherese, but I'd expect plenty of liches from elsewhere. By "recruiting" liches from other parts of the Realms, Larloch would increase the available amount of magical knowledge at his disposal.
As for his recruiting... I'd expect a variety of methods, there. Perhaps Larloch found a way to dominate liches thru their phylacteries. And an idea I've been playing with is for one lich to plant a tainted method of attaining lichdom -- a method that leaves the newly-created lich under the control of the one who planted the lichdom technique.
And I'd assume some of the liches are willing servants. Occasionally acting on behalf of someone who lets you do your own thing and provides you with not only his own formidable abilities but with 60 ally liches, isn't a bad deal. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 03:29:46
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I'd like to think the liches are willing servitors. Larloch might find it difficult, or at the very least, inconvenient, controlling unwilling servants.
Did anyone ask Ed who those 60 liches are? If not, I'd be off then and ask him myself... |
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 03:33:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I personally would expect that many -- perhaps even the majority -- of Larloch's liches are indeed Netherese, but I'd expect plenty of liches from elsewhere. By "recruiting" liches from other parts of the Realms, Larloch would increase the available amount of magical knowledge at his disposal.
As for his recruiting... I'd expect a variety of methods, there. Perhaps Larloch found a way to dominate liches thru their phylacteries. And an idea I've been playing with is for one lich to plant a tainted method of attaining lichdom -- a method that leaves the newly-created lich under the control of the one who planted the lichdom technique.
And I'd assume some of the liches are willing servants. Occasionally acting on behalf of someone who lets you do your own thing and provides you with not only his own formidable abilities but with 60 ally liches, isn't a bad deal.
Wasn't the Arch Lich( or what ever that flying skull Lich from the shameful saga) a product of a tainted transformation which left him under control of a beholder? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 04:05:00
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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 04:17:04
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I personally would expect that many -- perhaps even the majority -- of Larloch's liches are indeed Netherese, but I'd expect plenty of liches from elsewhere. By "recruiting" liches from other parts of the Realms, Larloch would increase the available amount of magical knowledge at his disposal.
Plus, it furthers his reach when enacting those "mysterious plans" of his. Especially if the recruited liches come from places/regions that Larloch wouldn't otherwise have easy access.
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As for his recruiting... I'd expect a variety of methods, there. Perhaps Larloch found a way to dominate liches thru their phylacteries. And an idea I've been playing with is for one lich to plant a tainted method of attaining lichdom -- a method that leaves the newly-created lich under the control of the one who planted the lichdom technique.
Oooh! I like that.
We could suggest that Larloch's mastery of the process of lichdom has ultimately allowed him to devise a method whereby the very process of attaining immortality, was something he sent down himself long ago... and that a fair number of his servitor liches unexpectedly fell into that trap, when they were researching the theories behind lichdom.
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And I'd assume some of the liches are willing servants.
Of course. Larloch isn't without access to potentially limitless resources which he can conveniently use to lure willing liches into his path of power. Alternatively, the very promise of further power and mastery over lichdom, could potentially turn even the most resolute servitor lich into serving Larloch's wishes. |
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Top 50 Spellcasters "Alive" In Faerun
