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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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atlas689
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 16:10:11
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So i guess nobody knows if these NPCS are still alive:
Aesperus: Male Human Lich
Kyristan the Dead King: Male Human Lich
Darien: Male Human
DelRoy Harpell: Male Human Wiz 23
Arconi: Male Human Wiz 30
Akhlaur: Male Human Wiz 30
Baden: Female Human Wiz 31
Kyllyrd: Male Half-Elf
Rhaugilath the Ageless: Male Human Lich Wiz22/Acm5/NA2
Mellomir: Male Human Wiz 27
Nchaser: Male Human Wiz 27
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Soldiers fight, thieves steal, bards sing, wizards cast, sages think, assassins kill. Good or Evil we all have a job. So tell me this. What the hell are nobles and merchants for?
From: Thoughts of an Old Sage
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 23:44:40
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| lol you guys are forgetting grumpy ol Robillard.... |
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atlas689
Learned Scribe
123 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 00:29:33
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Robillard is no where near these guys hes probably like lvl 14 to 16 at max!
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Soldiers fight, thieves steal, bards sing, wizards cast, sages think, assassins kill. Good or Evil we all have a job. So tell me this. What the hell are nobles and merchants for?
From: Thoughts of an Old Sage
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Mazrim_Taim
Learned Scribe
341 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 00:36:10
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| Did you already add the inner circle of the Twisted Rune? |
And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, “he” will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who ‘celebrate’ after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, I’d be wondering: “Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE you’re adventurers?” -Ed Greenwood
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Brakkart
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 17:34:10
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| Another Dragon to consider for the list, Daurgothoth is a great wyrm black dracolich wizard 20/archmage 5 for a total CR of 50. You can find his stats on page 42 and also 148 of Dragons of Faerun. |
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RAKKIR
Seeker
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Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 21:41:23
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| What about that one guy who was "on vacation" (in Kara-Tur?) when Nethril fell? He's like a 36th level mage, 36th level cleric, 36th level monk or SOMETHING oulandish like that in 2E. |
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RAKKIR
Seeker
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Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 21:42:31
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| In answer to my own question above (about that 36th level dude) wasn't his name Prismal? |
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atlas689
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 01:58:46
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| Parzal the Outrageous: Male Human Mnk6/Wiz20/Enlightened Fist10/Netherese Arcanist 3; CR 39 and hes on the list |
Soldiers fight, thieves steal, bards sing, wizards cast, sages think, assassins kill. Good or Evil we all have a job. So tell me this. What the hell are nobles and merchants for?
From: Thoughts of an Old Sage
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
181 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 07:19:41
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Akhlaur died in the Kings and Counsellers trilogy and i thought Rhaugilath was destroyed by the rest of the Twisted Rune
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Entreri1000
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 28 Oct 2006 : 11:09:10
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| Nice. I'd take Larloch over any of them. |
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shandiris
Seeker
61 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2007 : 14:03:45
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I know im digging up an old thread her, but i still want to know.
Telamont Tanthul, Lord Shadow, High Prince of Shade: Male Netherese Human Shade Illusionist 7/Shadow Adept 10/Shadowcrafter 13/Archmage 5/Mentalist 5; CR 42
Where exactly did you find these stats? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 10 Jun 2007 : 15:24:33
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Originally posted by shandiris
I know im digging up an old thread her, but i still want to know.
Telamont Tanthul, Lord Shadow, High Prince of Shade: Male Netherese Human Shade Illusionist 7/Shadow Adept 10/Shadowcrafter 13/Archmage 5/Mentalist 5; CR 42
Where exactly did you find these stats?
'Tis from the FRCS, is it not? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Jun 2007 : 15:31:09
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Originally posted by shandiris
I know im digging up an old thread her, but i still want to know.
Telamont Tanthul, Lord Shadow, High Prince of Shade: Male Netherese Human Shade Illusionist 7/Shadow Adept 10/Shadowcrafter 13/Archmage 5/Mentalist 5; CR 42
Where exactly did you find these stats?
I think those are someones homebrew stats since his official stats are in Lords of Darkness and they aren't what is listed above. |
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shandiris
Seeker
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Posted - 10 Jun 2007 : 16:28:19
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| Nope not in FRCS |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Jun 2007 : 20:36:05
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Looks to me like someone thought Telemont needed to be even more powerful than he is already. Cheesy. |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jun 2007 : 01:21:26
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Is Larloch really as powerful as people say?
His stats seem fairly low in 3e, and alot of people talk him down in my games as not even a match to some other casters. They claims his power is exclusively an artifact that lets him dominate other liches or something....
Is Telamont as powerful as they say? People really hype him up. Ioulaum is another I hear alot about but know NOTHING about.... |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jun 2007 : 14:49:32
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Originally posted by Firestorm
Ioulaum is another I hear alot about but know NOTHING about....
Information about Ioulaum can be found in Lost Empires of Faerun, detailed in the chapter Fallen Netheril -> Oracle of Ellyn'taal. He is one of the few surviving Netherese Arcanists (as is Telamont Tantul), actualy one of the most famous because he was the inventor of the mythalar (and the spell Ioulaum's longevity, of course), but now he is in a state where he is unable to actively participate in day-to-day Faerunian affairs ... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36798 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jun 2007 : 15:19:27
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Originally posted by Firestorm
Is Larloch really as powerful as people say?
His stats seem fairly low in 3e, and alot of people talk him down in my games as not even a match to some other casters. They claims his power is exclusively an artifact that lets him dominate other liches or something....
Well, according to Ed, Larloch is pretty much the most powerful spellcaster around. Ed once gave his 2E stats as level 46. And having total, absolute control over 60+ liches -- and keep in mind the level that most spellslinger attain before becoming liches -- is no small thing. While I'm sure he's got many artifacts tucked away, that's not how he controls his liches.
People that talk down Larloch are people that don't know Larloch. I don't think any of the Chosen are a match for him, much less anyone else. |
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Ladejarl
Seeker
Norway
55 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jun 2007 : 18:01:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't think any of the Chosen are a match for him
Just to nitpick: Silverfire. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36798 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 02:45:37
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Originally posted by Ladejarl
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't think any of the Chosen are a match for him
Just to nitpick: Silverfire.
Yes, silver fire is very powerful and a huge advantage. But there is a whole hell of a lot more to a spellduel than who can hurl the most powerful magic.
Do you really think a spellslinger who is more than 1500 years old is going to let himself get into a one-on-one duel? And that, even if he does, he doesn't have all sorts of contingencies in place -- like summoning a dozen of his servitor liches while teleporting out of there?
You don't exist for that long, and gather that much raw power, without learning a thing or two about how to handle yourself in a scrap. I'm not saying he could easily dust off Elminster... But if for some inexplicable reason the two were to wind up slinging spells at one another, I know which one I'd be betting on. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 23:49:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Do you really think a spellslinger who is more than 1500 years old is going to let himself get into a one-on-one duel? And that, even if he does, he doesn't have all sorts of contingencies in place -- like summoning a dozen of his servitor liches while teleporting out of there?
And of course, such a battle would (likely) be on Larloch's own turf. |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 23:56:57
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| While we are on the topic. Is any Cleric out there a match for a high level 40+ wizard? I always hear about how badass the high level wizards are, but NEVER see clerics with 40+ CR. |
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Taelohn
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Jun 2007 : 08:41:41
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Telamont Tanthul, Lord Shadow, High Prince of Shade: Male Netherese Human Shade Illusionist 7/Shadow Adept 10/Shadowcrafter 13/Archmage 5/Mentalist 5; CR 42
Where exactly did you find these stats?
I believe that's an older version of the Telamont stats written by Jaerom Darkwind. A newer build (Illusionist 6, Shadowcrafter 19, Shadow Adept 10, Mentalist 5) can be found here:
http://www.dicefreaks.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3120
In Lords of Darkness, Telamont is listed as a Wizard 20, Archmage 5, Shadow Adept 10 (but not given full stats).
Jaerom's version may be 5 levels higher, but I think his class choices (with their heavy focus on shadow magic) make more sense.
He also wrote a 46th-level version of Larloch (Wizard 17, Archmage 5, Arcane Lord 19, Variator 5), in keeping with Ed Greenwood's description of the character:
http://www.dicefreaks.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=393 |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 18:50:12
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You are all forgetting The spell lord of Fearûn... Namely Melcar Silverdragon.
15 wizard
5 Arcane Avatar
2 Arch Mage.
He took out Manshoon in 5 rounds. |
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keijemon
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 20:20:16
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This might be the case of thread necromancy, but since I'm not the one who did it, I'm going to exploit it instead of starting a new thread. 
Is Elminster alive? I love that dude. He is one of the most fun characters to have around in a plot. My initial thought was that spellplague would get the chosen (since they are pretty buffed on magic), but then he held Mystra's power in trust and didn't get burned out. So he could handle the whiplash... now how would Mystra's death figure into this? |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 00:14:26
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Originally posted by keijemon
This might be the case of thread necromancy, but since I'm not the one who did it, I'm going to exploit it instead of starting a new thread.
Is Elminster alive? I love that dude. He is one of the most fun characters to have around in a plot. My initial thought was that spellplague would get the chosen (since they are pretty buffed on magic), but then he held Mystra's power in trust and didn't get burned out. So he could handle the whiplash... now how would Mystra's death figure into this?
Want the good news first or the bad??
Good News, El is alive. But not well.
Bad news.....no way in the abyss does he make the top 50 anymore since he cannot risk using his magic anymore. Due in part to his worsening insanity and in part to his magic can and does go horribly wrong if attempted.
A quote from Ed at GenCon "The spellplague ravaged many things.......including Elminsters mind." |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 00:28:18
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Good News, El is alive. But not well.
Bad news.....no way in the abyss does he make the top 50 anymore since he cannot risk using his magic anymore. Due in part to his worsening insanity and in part to his magic can and does go horribly wrong if attempted.
A quote from Ed at GenCon "The spellplague ravaged many things.......including Elminsters mind."
"The Old Sage is no less intelligent, experienced, and quick-witted than before" and "retains his immortality and considerable arcane power." FRCS, Cordell, Greenwood, and Sims, p. 113.
From what I've read in the "Ask Ed" topic, it sounds like we'll be hearing more.  |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 00:44:34
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Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Good News, El is alive. But not well.
Bad news.....no way in the abyss does he make the top 50 anymore since he cannot risk using his magic anymore. Due in part to his worsening insanity and in part to his magic can and does go horribly wrong if attempted.
A quote from Ed at GenCon "The spellplague ravaged many things.......including Elminsters mind."
"The Old Sage is no less intelligent, experienced, and quick-witted than before" and "retains his immortality and considerable arcane power." FRCS, Cordell, Greenwood, and Sims, p. 113.
From what I've read in the "Ask Ed" topic, it sounds like we'll be hearing more.
Wow, another glaring contradiction from the FRCS!
Ed said that anything El says or has ever said cannot be trusted as his insanity started well before the spellplague.
Also he said he would be delightful to spend an evening meal or cup of tea with as long as nobody did anything that would even come close to prompting El to use his magic as it could/would have catastrophic effects for all!
And that how I read tha ask Ed as well, I hope it happens! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 01:05:24
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quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Good News, El is alive. But not well.
Bad news.....no way in the abyss does he make the top 50 anymore since he cannot risk using his magic anymore. Due in part to his worsening insanity and in part to his magic can and does go horribly wrong if attempted.
A quote from Ed at GenCon "The spellplague ravaged many things.......including Elminsters mind."
"The Old Sage is no less intelligent, experienced, and quick-witted than before" and "retains his immortality and considerable arcane power." FRCS, Cordell, Greenwood, and Sims, p. 113.
From what I've read in the "Ask Ed" topic, it sounds like we'll be hearing more.
Also he said he would be delightful to spend an evening meal or cup of tea with as long as nobody did anything that would even come close to prompting El to use his magic as it could/would have catastrophic effects for all!
I don't really see that as a contradiction, though. Elminster can still retain his "considerable arcane power" in the post-Spellplague period. He just can't use it for fears of the "catastrophic effects" and the like. |
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Top 50 Spellcasters "Alive" In Faerun
