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quajack
Seeker
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 Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 02:17:15
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When I first decided to embark upon the FR novel universe, I referenced O-Love.net where I found the chronilogical-by-date-published list of the FR books. I decided to read the novels in order by date published and have gone from Darkwalker on Moonshae to Shadow's Witness. (I have made a few exceptions to complete trilogies or other series along the way).
I have loved every minute of my journey (except for Faces of Deception, Council of Blades, and Elminster in Hell). My only complaint is that I can't comment on any of the novels released within the last 3 years. I own them all, but I don't want to read ahead in fear of "spoiling" my realms experience. I'm curious if any other Candlekeep visitors suffer from the same prediciment. I love this website, but I can't read half of the posts because I'm terribly out of date.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: If anyone wants to discuss any novel published in the 1st 15 years of Realms Books, I'll gladly talk it over whit choo all.
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 02:29:02
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 02:32:44
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I have the problem at times because I force myself to wait until the whole trilogy is out, if it is a trilogy, before I read it. Except for Ed's novels, those I read even if they are trilogies. :)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 02:37:22
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Originally posted by Kuje
I have the problem at times because I force myself to wait until the whole trilogy is out, if it is a trilogy, before I read it. Except for Ed's novels, those I read even if they are trilogies. :)
Same with me... although I include Ed's and Elaine's works here. They are my favorite FR authors, so anything new released under their names -- regardless of whether it is Realms-fiction or not -- I read through the instant I purchase them.
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 04:07:50
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I am with you. Alaundo had for a very short time, a classic's novel thread, but I think he stopped it, due to not enough activity. Start a thread within the novels section and I am sure you will have others who are interested, including myself, who are willing to discuss "any" realms source.. novels or otherwise  . |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 04:18:48
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Originally posted by quajack
When I first decided to embark upon the FR novel universe, I referenced O-Love.net where I found the chronilogical-by-date-published list of the FR books. I decided to read the novels in order by date published and have gone from Darkwalker on Moonshae to Shadow's Witness. (I have made a few exceptions to complete trilogies or other series along the way).
I have loved every minute of my journey (except for Faces of Deception, Council of Blades, and Elminster in Hell). My only complaint is that I can't comment on any of the novels released within the last 3 years. I own them all, but I don't want to read ahead in fear of "spoiling" my realms experience. I'm curious if any other Candlekeep visitors suffer from the same prediciment. I love this website, but I can't read half of the posts because I'm terribly out of date.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: If anyone wants to discuss any novel published in the 1st 15 years of Realms Books, I'll gladly talk it over whit choo all.
I would do a search to see if there was already a thread about some of the older novels that you read. Unlike some sites I have been to, we love to dust off old scrolls here at the keep, and often times, scribes will jump right back into the discussions they were having when the book first came out.
You may want to note in your post, if you revive an old scroll, that you haven't read recent novels though, so that later events won't be mentioned by the scribes picking up the discussion again.
I know I was away from the Realms for about five years or so, and when I started reading some older novels, I definately got some responses from my fellow scribes on the books I had just read.
And if you don't turn up a scroll with your search, heck, most of us, I'm sure, would be willing to check in on what you have to say. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36794 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 04:28:52
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Kuje
I have the problem at times because I force myself to wait until the whole trilogy is out, if it is a trilogy, before I read it. Except for Ed's novels, those I read even if they are trilogies. :)
Same with me... although I include Ed's and Elaine's works here. They are my favorite FR authors, so anything new released under their names -- regardless of whether it is Realms-fiction or not -- I read through the instant I purchase them.
Usually I go ahead and read the books as they're coming out... But, if I come to a series later, I'll generally wait until I have all of them before I read them. That's why I only recently started reading the (greatly over-hyped) War of the Spider Queen books. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 04:39:24
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I'd definately read a thread even if it was about older novels...and if I have something to say, I'll respond to it. Heck, I even made some comments about The Lost Library of Cormanthyr in the Lost Empires thread (shouldn't be too far down)...and that book came out back in 1998. People responded.
Writing about "old" novels isn't exactly something unheard of here. I don't think it's it's the case that anyone has been "left behind".
Lastly...I have to say, it must have been *ahem* interesting trying to track down all those out-of-print novels... |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 14 Jul 2006 04:40:34 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31716 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 06:03:06
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Kuje
I have the problem at times because I force myself to wait until the whole trilogy is out, if it is a trilogy, before I read it. Except for Ed's novels, those I read even if they are trilogies. :)
Same with me... although I include Ed's and Elaine's works here. They are my favorite FR authors, so anything new released under their names -- regardless of whether it is Realms-fiction or not -- I read through the instant I purchase them.
Usually I go ahead and read the books as they're coming out... But, if I come to a series later, I'll generally wait until I have all of them before I read them. That's why I only recently started reading the (greatly over-hyped) War of the Spider Queen books.
Strangely, the WotSQ books were ones I read "as they were released."
I think that was mainly because my Drow-O-Meter was, at that point, again on Low, and I felt that I could handle a new "drow fix" so to speak.
At any rate, it's on High again, so I won't be reading any drow book for at least a year or so.
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 07:54:17
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Originally posted by scererar
I am with you. Alaundo had for a very short time, a classic's novel thread, but I think he stopped it, due to not enough activity. Start a thread within the novels section and I am sure you will have others who are interested, including myself, who are willing to discuss "any" realms source.. novels or otherwise .
Well met
Indeed. Worry not though, quajack. You'll find that if ye post thy opinions in a thread on an older novel of the Realms, scribes herein tend to respond and share their thoughts also  A lot of the older novels are fondly remembered and I know of some who still go back to read many of them time and time again.
I'll look forward to hearing thy thoughts
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 09:01:18
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*blinks* When I saw the topic, I thought it had something to do with the Left Behind series of books and wondered what that had to do with FR novels.
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My only complaint is that I can't comment on any of the novels released within the last 3 years. I own them all, but I don't want to read ahead in fear of "spoiling" my realms experience.
I'm not sure I understand. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36794 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 11:22:50
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Originally posted by Winterfox
*blinks* When I saw the topic, I thought it had something to do with the Left Behind series of books and wondered what that had to do with FR novels.
I thought the same thing. 
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Originally posted by Winterfox
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My only complaint is that I can't comment on any of the novels released within the last 3 years. I own them all, but I don't want to read ahead in fear of "spoiling" my realms experience.
I'm not sure I understand.
I think the concern is that reading ahead will reveal spoilers for earlier books. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 01:26:29
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Winterfox
*blinks* When I saw the topic, I thought it had something to do with the Left Behind series of books and wondered what that had to do with FR novels.
I thought the same thing.
Me too. |
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Horatio
Seeker
Israel
59 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 20:42:55
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Gah... I wish I'd get to be that picky, but I get about 20-30 books to choose from in Israel. Amazon ships in 11$, not so much worth it. But even if I got to be picky, I don't think every book would be worth reading, despite the fact it may have relevant information about the Realms.
If I got to be picky, I'll just buy all the books under "Realms Shaking Events" and "The Short Stories". They seem promosing enough, important enough, and should be enough for a good number of years.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=books/frng
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 20:54:44
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Originally posted by Horatio
If I got to be picky, I'll just buy all the books under "Realms Shaking Events" and "The Short Stories". They seem promosing enough, important enough, and should be enough for a good number of years.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=books/frng
Why? As has been proven time and again, being considered RSE doesn't make a book (or usually, a trilogy) any better than the rest. Actually, in my experience, quite a few of them have been absolute stinkers, and considered pretty abysmal by most readers here. (RotA, anybody? The Avatar trilogy? Yeeeugh.)
That, or you could broaden your reading list a bit and venture out of FR some. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 21:04:16
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| Just read what you feel like reading...basically I read the Cormyr saga before Empires Trilogy, so I knew Azoun wouldn't die during Crusade and since I'd already read Prince of Lies as well I also knew there had been orcs there, but it was still a fun read... consider them...err..prequels so to speak, but better done than the Ep. I-III ones...if not in style then at least storywise... |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 21:15:10
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| Even when you know someone isn't going to die because they're alive or die in Series X, it's still fun to see how they get out of it. |
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Horatio
Seeker
Israel
59 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 21:21:05
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Originally posted by Winterfox
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Originally posted by Horatio
If I got to be picky, I'll just buy all the books under "Realms Shaking Events" and "The Short Stories". They seem promosing enough, important enough, and should be enough for a good number of years.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=books/frng
Why? As has been proven time and again, being considered RSE doesn't make a book (or usually, a trilogy) any better than the rest. Actually, in my experience, quite a few of them have been absolute stinkers, and considered pretty abysmal by most readers here. (RotA, anybody? The Avatar trilogy? Yeeeugh.)
That, or you could broaden your reading list a bit and venture out of FR some.
Huh? why would you dare to presume information about me?
Well, *shrugs* I guess you asked for it. Especially for you, cobber, my non-FR list of books that I read:
Don Quixote, Oxford edition, by Cervantes, traslated by Charles Javis.
The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, by Tolkien.
Henry V (the movie adaptation is still my favorite of all times), The Merchant of Venice, Hamlet and Much Ado about Nothing - Shakespeare.
Dublin, by Edward Rutherfurd
The Catcher in the Rye, by J.D Salinger
The Age of Miracles, by Catherine MacCoun
Okay, not a very long list (though some of them are THICK!), but I read them long before any FR stuff (I only started several months ago with the FR novels). So all in all, I'd say that your comment is out of place-- particularly because I still read non-FR stuff simultaneously. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 21:50:07
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Horatio--read what you prefer to read. However, I have to agree that novels that are "Realms-shaking events" aren't necessarily the best novels to read, and I personally enjoy the more personal stories, myself. A novel may not change the setting very much (and around here, some of us consider that a good thing, not a bad thing), but it can still be a very effective tale for the reader. Elaine Cunningham's novels aren't really RSEs, but many people around here, myself included, love them.
Short stories are usually great (they usually are personal stories, which I like), but even those can be hit or miss...even when written by authors I love. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 21:51:15
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Huh? why would you dare to presume information about me?
I think Winterfox was just offering a friendly suggestion, actually. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Horatio
Seeker
Israel
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Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 22:02:39
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Unnecessary suggestion to a misconceived presumption.
I have no doubt you have a good point about some of the RSE. I haven't been introduced to many authors yet, but I'll see about Elaine Cunningham's. |
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quajack
Seeker
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Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 22:13:45
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| Tracking down all of the OOP books wasn't as difficult as you'd think it would be. The Shadow Stone was the hardest to locate and the Double Diamond series cost me an arm and a leg. For all of the complaining I've heard about Black Wolf's availability I was suprised to find it in a local Borders about a year ago. Song of the Saurials was elusive as well. I owe my complete Realms novel collection to ebay. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 22:19:25
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Originally posted by Horatio
Huh? why would you dare to presume information about me?
Aren't we jumpy and defensive?
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Well, *shrugs* I guess you asked for it. Especially for you, cobber, my non-FR list of books that I read:
Don Quixote, Oxford edition, by Cervantes, traslated by Charles Javis.
The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, by Tolkien.
Henry V (the movie adaptation is still my favorite of all times), The Merchant of Venice, Hamlet and Much Ado about Nothing - Shakespeare.
Dublin, by Edward Rutherfurd
The Catcher in the Rye, by J.D Salinger
The Age of Miracles, by Catherine MacCoun
Well, it... uh, is certainly very standard-ish. Yay for you?
I'd say you're looking for slights where none's intended. I made the "read outside FR novels" comment because you said this:
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Gah... I wish I'd get to be that picky, but I get about 20-30 books to choose from in Israel. Amazon ships in 11$, not so much worth it. But even if I got to be picky, I don't think every book would be worth reading, despite the fact it may have relevant information about the Realms.
...which suggests you're rather limiting your choices, and if you're somewhere where FR books aren't available in great variety, then reading non-FR books would probably be a better idea. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 22:21:56
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Originally posted by quajack
The Shadow Stone was the hardest to locate
Had it not been for expensive shipping costs, I'd have been happy to ship my copy of that to anyone who wants it. |
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Horatio
Seeker
Israel
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Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 22:59:56
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It suggests I'm limiting my FR choices, NOT overall. I never said I don't read anything beside the FR, so of course I'd be "jumpy and defensive" when you go:
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That, or you could broaden your reading list a bit and venture out of FR some.
Notice how it's written? as if you've known me for years and know what I read. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 23:12:30
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 23:14:04
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None of us are here to belittle or berate you, why would we?
As for RSEs, I'd suggest reading some other FR stuff... that, or other fiction, catching up on all the realms books is a long and hard, and in cases expensive task, and some don't come close to being worth the money...there are enough books out there to choose. For example, I didn't buy certain "Harpers" books when I had the chance, primarily because the author ... well...sucked (he was the one NOT writing Waterdeep in Avatar). Given the choice I'd prolly go back and read some Perry Rhodan instead of reading Shadowdale and Tantras...
So yes, instead of reading some bad books you should rather read some better books...but that's just me |
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Horatio
Seeker
Israel
59 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 23:27:36
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It doesn't matter if he tried to berate me or not, he based his opinion on perception, not on fact, and suggested something accordingly. Besides, "broaden your horizon"? give me a break.
Seriously, that's like someone going to a computer forum asking how to get rid of a virus, and someone telling him that he should get out of the house more often. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 23:34:31
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Just let it go, all right? It's not a big deal.
Anyway, for some book suggestions, there is a sticky in this forum for that topic--take a look. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Horatio
Seeker
Israel
59 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 23:42:06
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| I wanna let it go, you keep replying about it. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 00:17:39
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| Horatio, give Elfshadow by Elaine Cunningham a try, I think you might like it. |
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