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Ranin
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 Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 01:03:06
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TobyKikami
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 03:26:55
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So far as the goblins, I always got the impression that Drizzt tried to show tolerance, at least after the Nojheim incident - i.e. trying to negotiate with them in Sea of Swords. Of course, that didn't work out so well (neither did Catti-brie's earlier attempt in The Legacy), but I wouldn't say he took joy in the subsequent killfests. Also, in Starless Night another drow condemned a goblin to some kind of slow death, I think drowning. If I remember right Drizzt proceeded to have angst over being unable to help it.
I thought Alustriel had a thing for him ever since I read about the heart-shaped locket with his picture, even if it wasn't necessarily reciprocated. |
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 06:04:02
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With all due respect, all that's needed for Alustriel to have a thing is a pulse.
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And that's just until the Lady of the Courts meets a CG Vampire.
Bob Salvatore writes her more as Galadriel though. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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3567 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2007 : 19:08:25
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No sex in the realms since January...that is unacceptable!
I found it refreshing that with the amount of nudity in The Storm of Dead, that Lisa did not go the easy route and insert some gratutious sex. (Not that there is anything wrong with that)
But of all the types of books I read, Realms novels usually do the best job handling sex.
If it fits the character, it happens...If not, it doesn't. Hard to thing of an instance where it was "shoehorned" in just just spice things up. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 10 Sep 2007 : 23:12:20
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Drizzt getting jumped by Alustriel would only terrify him more, the things Alustriel would do and probably want... oh my!
Drizzt is young in elf terms, so yeah, sex is an awkward subject for him, probably made worse by the fact his system, the one that raised him more or less, wanted a piece of him when he graduated the fighter academy (if I remember right.)
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Originally posted by GothicDan
There are also - VERY rarely - Dwelves (Elf/Dwarves) and Human/Dwarf crossbreeds, too. :)
Lol.. elf women are too boney for dwarves and humans generally don't like women with beards. ;)
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 09:21:11
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| Coming to think of it, the last (and only) time I read something sexy-ish in an FR novel was Liriel climbing all over her barbarian in Daughter of the Drow. Not exactly new, ain't it. Maiden of Pain wasn't showing any sex either, probably disappointing some who had hope for more insights into the practices of the Loviatans. :) If only the Wizards had accepted my proposal back then ... |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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3567 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 12:42:23
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Originally posted by Zanan
Coming to think of it, the last (and only) time I read something sexy-ish in an FR novel was Liriel climbing all over her barbarian in Daughter of the Drow. Not exactly new, ain't it. Maiden of Pain wasn't showing any sex either, probably disappointing some who had hope for more insights into the practices of the Loviatans. :) If only the Wizards had accepted my proposal back then ...
Yeah they could have done quite a bit in Lady of Pain and still fit the characters!!
 I for one would love to hear about your proposal |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 14:50:59
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Originally posted by Zanan
Coming to think of it, the last (and only) time I read something sexy-ish in an FR novel was Liriel climbing all over her barbarian in Daughter of the Drow. Not exactly new, ain't it. Maiden of Pain wasn't showing any sex either, probably disappointing some who had hope for more insights into the practices of the Loviatans. :) If only the Wizards had accepted my proposal back then ...
Well its been a while, but I seem to remember there being something in Salvatores Spine of the World and in the first of Lisa Smedman's The House of Serpents books. Don't ask me what or how much though, as my memory is not all that good. |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 14:58:28
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Originally posted by SirUrza
humans generally don't like women with beards. ;)
But we know beer was invented for a reason, don't we? 
Sorry, too much of an easy shot.
On a serious note, what's the the consensus with Dwarven women nowadays? Second Edition had them with beards, and very strange they looked too. Whereas most illustrations since Third Edition have them as beardless, which I think is better by far. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 15:12:52
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| From what I remember someone found out that it was wrong for the dwarven women to have beards in 3ed., as it was wrong for gnomes to have huge noses. Both of these irritate the *** out of me still. To me both dwarven women and elves are able to grow beards. |
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
USA
277 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 15:13:03
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The House of Serpents books had me going to google to find out about snake um... privates. I think Ms. Smedman must be a fan of the nature channel.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 15:49:04
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
quote:
Originally posted by SirUrza
humans generally don't like women with beards. ;)
But we know beer was invented for a reason, don't we?
Sorry, too much of an easy shot.
On a serious note, what's the the consensus with Dwarven women nowadays? Second Edition had them with beards, and very strange they looked too. Whereas most illustrations since Third Edition have them as beardless, which I think is better by far.
2E canon had them just as hirsute as males. That's what I'm used to, despite the fact that, to human eyes, bearded females are not as visually appealing. However, I'm willing to assume a middle ground between what 2E and 3E says: either very fine beard or goatees, or maybe just a good set of sideburns.
I've honestly never quite understood why dwarves are so attached (pardon the pun) to their beards, anyway, but it's something I accept as a cultural thing and move on. After all, without going into specifics, I do know of real-world cultures where beards are important. I could analyze what I think is the psychology behind that, but I'm not a psychologist, and public speculation on that could get really ugly, real fast. People get sensitive about their cultural mores.  |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 15:51:47
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
On a serious note, what's the the consensus with Dwarven women nowadays? Second Edition had them with beards, and very strange they looked too. Whereas most illustrations since Third Edition have them as beardless, which I think is better by far.
FRCS page 10 says some woman grow beards and Ed's replies have the same info but I forgot which year it was in. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36798 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 15:52:32
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Originally posted by Ozzalum
The House of Serpents books had me going to google to find out about snake um... privates. I think Ms. Smedman must be a fan of the nature channel.
Now see, that's one of those things that, like certain female biological features, I put in the category of Things Man Was Not Meant To Know. Somethings we guys don't have to deal with, and I find it's better to not ponder them. The matter of snake winkies is a similar area: I just don't need to know about it!
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 17:02:01
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
No sex in the realms since January...that is unacceptable!
[blink] Wait . . . Depths came out in March . . . definitely sex in that . . .
Oh. Right. You're talking about the thread.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31727 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 17:25:40
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Originally posted by Kuje
quote:
Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
On a serious note, what's the the consensus with Dwarven women nowadays? Second Edition had them with beards, and very strange they looked too. Whereas most illustrations since Third Edition have them as beardless, which I think is better by far.
FRCS page 10 says some woman grow beards and Ed's replies have the same info but I forgot which year it was in.
Per the original lore, it's noted that only a few female Shield Dwarves shave, including the presence of beards on dwarven females. Aside from the FRCS, Races of Faerûn also claims that only a few are bearded.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 17:37:59
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan
Coming to think of it, the last (and only) time I read something sexy-ish in an FR novel was Liriel climbing all over her barbarian in Daughter of the Drow. Not exactly new, ain't it. Maiden of Pain wasn't showing any sex either, probably disappointing some who had hope for more insights into the practices of the Loviatans. :) If only the Wizards had accepted my proposal back then ...
Yeah they could have done quite a bit in Lady of Pain and still fit the characters!!
I for one would love to hear about your proposal
Not to quote the author, but I think he mentioned that he wanted to show Loviatans in a way that was different/broader from what a lot of people tend to think of them (ie. S&M lovers). If that was his goal, he succeeded I think. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 21:04:32
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Not to quote the author, but I think he mentioned that he wanted to show Loviatans in a way that was different/broader from what a lot of people tend to think of them (ie. S&M lovers). If that was his goal, he succeeded I think.
I did not catch that, thanks for the info.
I would also say he suceeded. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 21:06:35
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Not to quote the author, but I think he mentioned that he wanted to show Loviatans in a way that was different/broader from what a lot of people tend to think of them (ie. S&M lovers). If that was his goal, he succeeded I think.
I did not catch that, thanks for the info.
I would also say he suceeded.
You're welcome, but as I said I don't have any specific quote. |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 22:48:58
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
No sex in the realms since January...that is unacceptable!
[blink] Wait . . . Depths came out in March . . . definitely sex in that . . .
Oh. Right. You're talking about the thread.
Cheers
Indeed. Forgot that ... somehow. Perhaps because I was a wee bit disappointed about the way Fox had changed from Realms of the Elves.
As for Maiden of Pain, the lass presented in there was a low-level LN acolyte and the author did well in describing the faith in a more objective (matter of factly, much as it actually IS described in Faiths & Avatars) way. Same goes for Paul S. Kemp and the Sharrans - though I still don't like them.  |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 00:52:13
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
No sex in the realms since January...that is unacceptable!
[blink] Wait . . . Depths came out in March . . . definitely sex in that . . .
Oh. Right. You're talking about the thread.
Cheers
Your Incorrigable!
Wonder if 'Light will take on the big guy sometime in the future now that they are "stuck with each other"?
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 02:28:12
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Your Incorrigable!
Heck--I was one of the early participants in the thread. Happy to see it back. 
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Wonder if 'Light will take on the big guy sometime in the future now that they are "stuck with each other"?
(With "light maybe be more of a when rather than if)
Hmm. Well, a discussion of the elf/goliath sex scenes that may or may not happen in books I may or may not write is a little beyond the scope of this thread . . . or perhaps it isn't.
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31727 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 03:07:17
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Hmm. Well, a discussion of the elf/goliath sex scenes that may or may not happen in books I may or may not write is a little beyond the scope of this thread . . . or perhaps it isn't.
Oh, don't tempt us like that Erik!
Seriously though, I'd like to see a little more development in the relationship between Twilight and Gargan. His comments to her at the end of Depths left subtle hints in my mind...
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 14:53:44
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Your Incorrigable!
Heck--I was one of the early participants in the thread. Happy to see it back.
Participant....Instigator.....Same difference!
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Hmm. Well, a discussion of the elf/goliath sex scenes that may or may not happen in books I may or may not write is a little beyond the scope of this thread . . . or perhaps it isn't.
Cheers
I say it fits rather well. In the spirit of the Orc King discussions, we could say we are working on a Prologue for your next 'Light Novel!! |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 15:12:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Hmm. Well, a discussion of the elf/goliath sex scenes that may or may not happen in books I may or may not write is a little beyond the scope of this thread . . . or perhaps it isn't.
Oh, don't tempt us like that Erik!
Didn't you know? I have a Certificate in Corruption from the Abyssal Academy.
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Seriously though, I'd like to see a little more development in the relationship between Twilight and Gargan. His comments to her at the end of Depths left subtle hints in my mind...
I guess we'll see. Though I rather think--instead of a sexual relationship--it would be far more interesting to explore a platonic friendship between the two. As noted, Twilight isn't the type who has friends. Lovers, yes--friends . . . iffy.
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Participant....Instigator.....Same difference!
Tuition at the academy was 100 souls a year--gotta put it to good use.
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I say it fits rather well. In the spirit of the Orc King discussions, we could say we are working on a Prologue for your next 'Light Novel!!
Heh heh--who's tempting who, now?
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 15:22:53
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Heh heh--who's tempting who, now?
Cheers
Turnabout is only fair Erik!
We arent't trying to put you behind the ...
Ok we are trying.
We only wanna help
P.S. We know you now have visions of 'Light and Gargan "prancing" around your head!
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 15:39:02
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
P.S. We know you now have visions of 'Light and Gargan "prancing" around your head!
Hmm . . . "prancing" . . .
Cheers
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 17:10:48
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I guess we'll see. Though I rather think--instead of a sexual relationship--it would be far more interesting to explore a platonic friendship between the two. As noted, Twilight isn't the type who has friends. Lovers, yes--friends . . . iffy.
Very true. And it's in-keeping with what we've previously learned about some of Twilight's past sexual experiences.
Strangely, it may be that Gargan is coming into any potential relationship between the two, looking for something more grounded and permanent. Whereas, Twilight's in it simply as a matter of course -- the relationship between Gargan and Twilight has led to this point -- she'll explore it sexually, and move on.
OTOH, this new relationship, depending upon how it develops, could affect Twilight in new and interesting ways. If things proceed slowly, and Twilight eventually becomes accustomed to her growing relationship with Gargan, she may begin to consider feelings and attitudes that she's rarely explored in the past -- it may become something more than merely platonic. And if that happens, she may finally reach a point where she realises a truly deep and meaningful connection to another living being.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 18:01:44
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Sage:
Hmm--wise, grasshopper, very wise . . .
Stay tuned!
Cheers |
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 18:58:31
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| I want to mention that I, too, would love to see Twilight finally become friends with someone simply for friendship. Maybe she has a new perspective on things after all she's been through... |
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