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El Magnifico Uno
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Posted - 24 Jun 2006 :  08:16:02  Show Profile  Visit El Magnifico Uno's Homepage Send El Magnifico Uno a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
What would be a good source for Dales history other than Volo's Guide to the Dales.. Got it, read it, looking for more.. Ideally looking for history dealing with the first human migrations to the Daleslands.. Any ideas?

scererar
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several of the 2E sourcebooks, located at the WoTC site, reference the north. FRCS, The 2E forgotten realms campaign boxed set, There is also a great history of the realms, homebrew sourcebook, floating around this site that has an excellent timeline. ( sages please help with a couple of links )
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D-brane
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Posted - 24 Jun 2006 :  08:52:20  Show Profile  Visit D-brane's Homepage Send D-brane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That would be this one -- http://www.geonomicon.com/portal/

And El, Rich Baker wrote a 2nd Edition FR sourcebook for the Dalelands -- THE DALELANDS (FRS1).

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Edited by - D-brane on 24 Jun 2006 08:54:14
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El Magnifico Uno
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Posted - 24 Jun 2006 :  09:03:18  Show Profile  Visit El Magnifico Uno's Homepage Send El Magnifico Uno a Private Message  Reply with Quote
FRS1 The Dalelands? That sounds just about perfect.. Except for the 2E and being completely out of print part.. Hate it when that happens.. Guess I'll just have to poke about for a copy.. Wish they would convert all that old 2E stuff to downloadable versions - I'd imagine they would make a pretty penny just from the people on these boards.. Bummer..

And yeah, got the Grand History, invaluable piece of work.. And of course have the FRCS..
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Swordsage
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Posted - 24 Jun 2006 :  10:12:52  Show Profile  Visit Swordsage's Homepage Send Swordsage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There's not much history in FRS1 The Dalelands. Far more is found peripherally in the Cormanthyr accessory.

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Kuje
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Posted - 24 Jun 2006 :  16:31:19  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The 2e campaign box set really has the best info.... as far as I recall and the 1e campaign box set as well.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 24 Jun 2006 :  16:56:55  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by El Magnifico Uno

FRS1 The Dalelands? That sounds just about perfect.. Except for the 2E and being completely out of print part.. Hate it when that happens.. Guess I'll just have to poke about for a copy.. Wish they would convert all that old 2E stuff to downloadable versions - I'd imagine they would make a pretty penny just from the people on these boards.. Bummer..

And yeah, got the Grand History, invaluable piece of work.. And of course have the FRCS..



A lot of the old 2E stuff is available for downloading from Paizo or RPGNow, for $4 or $5.

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El Magnifico Uno
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Posted - 24 Jun 2006 :  18:45:31  Show Profile  Visit El Magnifico Uno's Homepage Send El Magnifico Uno a Private Message  Reply with Quote
LOL.. Well ask and ye shall recieve.. Guess it's time for me to start shelling out some of those pretty pennies.. Thnx!!

EDIT - Oh, and D-brane hit it right on the head. The Dalelands FRS1 had the best info.. Didn't go as in depth as I wanted, but if they did we'd never want to buy another sourcebook..

Edited by - El Magnifico Uno on 25 Jun 2006 04:48:08
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D-brane
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Posted - 25 Jun 2006 :  06:46:54  Show Profile  Visit D-brane's Homepage Send D-brane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by El Magnifico Uno

EDIT - Oh, and D-brane hit it right on the head. The Dalelands FRS1 had the best info.. Didn't go as in depth as I wanted, but if they did we'd never want to buy another sourcebook..
Personally, I prefer the VOLO'S GUIDE TO THE DALELANDS. I like the more mundane details Volo covers in his books.

I really wish WOTC would allow Ed Greenwood to submit new guides for 3rd Edition. I assume he probably has many ideas for new VOLO'S GUIDES in his notebooks.

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Mazrim_Taim
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Well, I always loved Volo's guides (and they are free as downloads right now) because of all the little details about the region in question to liven up your campaign.

And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, “he” will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who ‘celebrate’ after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, I’d be wondering: “Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE you’re adventurers?” -Ed Greenwood

Edited by - Mazrim_Taim on 25 Jun 2006 08:22:40
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warlockco
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quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

The 2e campaign box set really has the best info.... as far as I recall and the 1e campaign box set as well.



All are really good sources, especially the 2E box, for Shadowdale.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim

Well, I always loved Volo's guides (and they are free as downloads right now) because of all the little details about the region in question to liven up your campaign.



Not all of them are available for download. Volo's Guide to Waterdeep is available as a pdf, but not for free, and I don't think Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II is available for downloading at all. The rest can, of course, be obtained for free from the Wizards downloads page.

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Mazrim_Taim
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Posted - 26 Jun 2006 :  07:26:07  Show Profile  Visit Mazrim_Taim's Homepage Send Mazrim_Taim a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim

Well, I always loved Volo's guides (and they are free as downloads right now) because of all the little details about the region in question to liven up your campaign.



Not all of them are available for download. Volo's Guide to Waterdeep is available as a pdf, but not for free, and I don't think Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II is available for downloading at all. The rest can, of course, be obtained for free from the Wizards downloads page.



Ah, didn't realize a few weren't. Sorry.

And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, “he” will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who ‘celebrate’ after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, I’d be wondering: “Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE you’re adventurers?” -Ed Greenwood
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim

Well, I always loved Volo's guides (and they are free as downloads right now) because of all the little details about the region in question to liven up your campaign.



Not all of them are available for download. Volo's Guide to Waterdeep is available as a pdf, but not for free, and I don't think Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II is available for downloading at all. The rest can, of course, be obtained for free from the Wizards downloads page.



Ah, didn't realize a few weren't. Sorry.



No worries. I was just making sure everyone had the right info.

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Kalin Agrivar
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quote:
Originally posted by Swordsage

There's not much history in FRS1 The Dalelands. Far more is found peripherally in the Cormanthyr accessory.

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FRS1 covered just the basics, but it also did cover the "Lost Dales", which are not discussed much elsewhere. I is one of the better sourses of Dales Material

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Don't forget Ed's novels that have concentrated on Shadowdale in the past, and a number of other novels that have featured some of the Dales to an extent.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim

Well, I always loved Volo's guides (and they are free as downloads right now) because of all the little details about the region in question to liven up your campaign.



Not all of them are available for download. Volo's Guide to Waterdeep is available as a pdf, but not for free, and I don't think Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II is available for downloading at all. The rest can, of course, be obtained for free from the Wizards downloads page.

And Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II is available in a printed version from nobleknight.com.

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