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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 17:45:44
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Would anyone be able to send me into the right direction to find out information on White Necromancy/Necromancers?
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 20:28:47
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| Define "white necromancy". |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 20:50:20
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 20:52:24
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Can you please explain your definition a bit more?  |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 22 Jun 2006 20:53:04 |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 21:09:40
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Can you please explain your definition a bit more?
Darnet. 
Ok um..everything oppisote of a 'Black' Necromancer if you will. I heard of the 'White' Necromancer several months back and I'm looking to find more information on them now since i have the ability to gather it.
Edit: Let me say that I think they're like the Balancers of Life (necromancers in general) cause you got three aspects. White, Grey and Black.
White: Life
Grey: Balance
Black: Death.
That help?
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Edited by - Neriandal Freit on 22 Jun 2006 21:14:17 |
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RodOdom
Senior Scribe
USA
509 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 21:25:29
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 21:31:54
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| no no please, I love the radical. |
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Fletcher
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 21:32:27
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Are you talking about a wizard who will put an undead heart into some guy to keep him alive? Or undead prosthetics? Yuk!
I personally don't know of anyplace where they have been detailed, but i have been in several games where 'good' necromancers undertook the study of the dead/cadavers to aid in understanding the human/animal form to improve healing and sugery...kind of like modern medicine. |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 21:37:58
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No. I'm talking about a guy who is more of the Healer, the Life. The Giver..
It's hard to describe but I know there was/is some 1E/2E information on them before Wizards took over. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 21:43:46
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I think it was never made really clear. Most of the traditional white necromantic magic was already placed within the clerical magic, so the borders between the two were unclear. I remember there being several sources that mentioned white and black necromancy, but I also seem to remember that it came more down to the use than the spells themselves.
If you can find the old Complete Book of Necromancers for 2ed. that would be your best source within the D&D systems. I have not red it for quite a while, but the information in this book was pretty extensive. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 22:38:55
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As mentioned, the Complete Book of Necromancers would be a good read for this. It talks about all three "shades," and also has a ton of other cool stuff.
Also, in the Wizard's Spell Compendiums, there's a list for a Healer Mage. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 22:49:58
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| As I said to you over IM's, most of the necro spells in the current rules, unlike the necro spells from 1e and 2e, are about undead or dead and are labeled mostly evil. I'm still totally confused on why WOTC changed the Cure whatever spells from necro to whatever they are now. :) |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 23 Jun 2006 : 01:15:34
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Originally posted by Kuje
As I said to you over IM's, most of the necro spells in the current rules, unlike the necro spells from 1e and 2e, are about undead or dead and are labeled mostly evil. I'm still totally confused on why WOTC changed the Cure whatever spells from necro to whatever they are now. :)
Conjuration, which does make some sense.
Cure spells draw upon the positive energy plane and Inflict spells draw upon the negative energy plane. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 23 Jun 2006 : 02:50:34
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Jun 2006 : 02:56:57
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by Kuje
As I said to you over IM's, most of the necro spells in the current rules, unlike the necro spells from 1e and 2e, are about undead or dead and are labeled mostly evil. I'm still totally confused on why WOTC changed the Cure whatever spells from necro to whatever they are now. :)
Conjuration, which does make some sense.
Cure spells draw upon the positive energy plane and Inflict spells draw upon the negative energy plane.
It doesn't to me based on what the 3/3.5e PHB say the schools are supposed to be like. :) |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2006 : 03:06:15
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Well, if Positive Energy is Conjuration, Negative should be too.
Which means there's nothing left for Necromancy at all.
Positive and Negative should be the same school.. They're the exact same kind of energy, only opposites. |
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"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2006 : 14:04:25
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Originally posted by Jorkens
I think it was never made really clear. Most of the traditional white necromantic magic was already placed within the clerical magic, so the borders between the two were unclear. I remember there being several sources that mentioned white and black necromancy, but I also seem to remember that it came more down to the use than the spells themselves.
If you can find the old Complete Book of Necromancers for 2ed. that would be your best source within the D&D systems. I have not red it for quite a while, but the information in this book was pretty extensive.
Ah yes, Complete Book of Necromancers. Thats what I was thinking I think...dont hold me to that tho.
Scer, Clergy of Kelm isn't exactly going to work for what I am doing as Mr. Kuje knows what I am doing.
I'm just figuring at this rate I'm just going to have to basically create a class or something to fit best. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 22:52:01
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Yeah, they recently changed all the cure spells to conjuration. Really throws the whole concept of being a good necromancer down the drain. Being a necromancer who learns to say... restore your limb that just got hacked off. Basically, as I'm seeing it they didn't want wizards to be able to pick up the ability to do clerical healing spells.
That being said, you could still create a white necromancer (or grey necromancer). A white necromancer would be a non-necromancer who takes feats in order to be able to cast spells from certain domains as wizard spells (healing primarily, there may be others). A grey necromancer would be the same character, but one who is an actual necromancer as well (i.e. knows the healing spells and the dark necromancy spells). |
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