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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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 Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 02:27:25
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Originally posted by GothicDan
True.
Hence why I didn't critisize, personally.
.. I have plenty of other things to harp on, on other topics. Like the Last Mythal trilogy.
Harping on Drizzt--OUT
Harping on the Last Mythal series--IN |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 02:32:12
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| Glad to know that I'm in the 'in' crowd. ;) |
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"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 02:56:18
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Originally posted by mavericace
Why must every R.A.Salvatore topic turn into people Hating on him?
A better question, in my opinion, is why is it when anyone fails to praise RAS, they are accused of hating him? Believe it or not, there is a middle ground...
But I will concede the point made by others, and not express my sheer boredom with Drizzt except in relevant threads. |
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Arkhaedun
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 02:58:47
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I know the topic here isn't, in general, a critique on RAS' work in general, nor is it a referendum on what authors it is "in" to critisize. I would greatly appreciate it if we could get back to a discussion of RAS' continuation of the Drizzt series, the release of his next book, the interview in which he discuses this next book, or anything vaguely related to the original topic.
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wwwwwww
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 03:01:24
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Didn't we just have this conversation?
Let me summerize this time. RAS is the most popular FR fiction writer on the market today, and has been for the last fifteen years. People might think he writes crap, but there's a great, great many people who beg to differ. And guess what, RAS is laughing all the way to the bank!  |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 03:42:07
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Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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mavericace
Seeker
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Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 05:21:43
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R.A.Salvatore is not my favorite Author by far but some of his work I do find fun to read. Sorry if I stired the pot but sometimes like you folk have pointed out critisim is dished out with out any relavence. My comment about not saying anything unless it is nice is just a saying, constructive critisim is something totaly diffrent than just saying you dont like his work in 3 words.
I have not enjoyed all of the Drizzt books but I did enjoy the Hunters Blade books and I am currious how the Siver Marches will get out of this problem. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 05:36:04
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Sometimes, though, we get just as tired of such relentless RAS/Drizzt-based posts as his fans get tired of hearing us say negative things about them; it wouldn't be right to say "everyone should stop critisizing unless they explain themselves!" How many completely empty "Drizzt is awesome isn't he LOLz" posts do we see around here, with no content whatsoever? Again, it's give and take.
Some of just get very tired of exhaustively saying WHY and HOW we don't like X or Y every time such a new, empty thread pops up here. It's often easier to just let us grunt out a negative reply to the equally-thoughtlessly grunted-out praise, and be done with it. |
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"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 05:42:33
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Yet the negativity is starting to get a little tiring; if a post asks what we think of Drizzt OK, but when any mention of Drizzt starts a debate it becomes boring. The same goes for the rapid defence against any critical point against Salvatore.
I am not much of a Salvatore fan, far from it, but it should be possible for someone to like him and say so without getting his head bitten of. We have gone trough this three or four times this week. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 06:11:46
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Originally posted by Jorkens
I am not much of a Salvatore fan, far from it, but it should be possible for someone to like him and say so without getting his head bitten of. We have gone trough this three or four times this week.
No one was biting anyone's head off. But we have strayed from the original topic, as Arky has so ably pointed out. So let's get back to discussing this upcoming novel, and leave off any other discussions -- at least in this thread. |
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Mazrim_Taim
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 06:20:33
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| I love RAS, but I am starting to not like his Drizzt series. It was great at first and was one of the things that introduced me to this wonderful world. But the series keeps going on and on with little variation between books. I just hope this book brings something new to the Drizzt table. |
And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, “he” will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who ‘celebrate’ after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, I’d be wondering: “Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE you’re adventurers?” -Ed Greenwood
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ode904
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 12:22:37
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| Already waiting for it! Have been waiting for it after reading Two Swords and then the short story ''Comrades at odds''. I hope to see what happens to Obould's kingdom and how does war's balance change when Adbar joins the war, but only to see Oboulds orc-filled fortresses. And what does Sundabar, Longsaddle, Silverymoon, Everlund etc. do when the spring comes. Or what comes of the relationship between Drizzt and Innovindil and Catti-brie... |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 12:36:32
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| I'm going to be holding my breath for this...but only in the hope that I die from lack of oxygen and therefore avoid the impulse that made me buy the Hunter's Blades trilogy. |
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mavericace
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 18:28:06
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| So back on topic.... What do you all think the chances are that we can finaly get the Silver Marches pact or whatever it's called formalised from Bruneor? (SP). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 19:04:04
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I just removed a personally insulting post from this thread. No more of that. Keep it friendly and on topic, or I'll lock it down.  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 21:18:59
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Originally posted by mavericace
So back on topic.... What do you all think the chances are that we can finaly get the Silver Marches pact or whatever it's called formalised from Bruneor? (SP).
Not really sure what you're asking here, sorry. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 21:19:41
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Originally posted by ode904
Or what comes of the relationship between Drizzt and Innovindil and Catti-brie...
Going by the precedent that's been set by the other Drizzt novels...not much. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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mavericace
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 00:42:40
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| I am not sure of the proper wording but as I remember the Silver Marches do not yet exsit in the R.A.Salvatore timeline lol. Maybe in the next set of books we can see the pact finished and the books brought up to the 3E timeline. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 01:21:58
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| That would be a bit of late news. |
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"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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mavericace
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 02:56:48
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| Very true, I think it would have been nice if R.A.Salvatore did it in the last set of books but alas it was not to be. I would think this time around things may finaly get caught up. |
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FridayThe13th
Learned Scribe
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 02:57:11
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I wonder when Bob is going to release the third book in the Sellswords Trilogy? I really like Entreti's character and find it a refreshing change from Drizzt, Drizzt, Drizzt.
Still, I mostly like RAS's work and look forward to any novel he writes(braces for Winterfox to show up and start arguing with me) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 04:39:17
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Originally posted by FridayThe13th
I wonder when Bob is going to release the third book in the Sellswords Trilogy?
This October.
This news about a Drizzt novel is for next year. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 10:23:36
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You know i really hope RA really does something new with Drizzt this time i really didnt like the whole Paths Of Darkness series except for Spine of The World, but hey at least the Hunters Blade trilogy attempted to inject something new and yes Drizzt should really stop introspecting for the love of pete, u'd think hes some nutjob cleric like Seiveril by now ;D.
And pls don't kill of Entreri, he's funner to read than Drizzt. . . right now anyways unless RA really does something about that Cattie Brie, Innovidil and Drizzt thing which might end in maybe Bruenor trying to chop Drizzt's head off? well just a thought :D |
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FridayThe13th
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 01:15:39
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by FridayThe13th
I wonder when Bob is going to release the third book in the Sellswords Trilogy?
This October.
This news about a Drizzt novel is for next year.
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"You guys should seriously rename yourselves The Horny Society, you popularity would soar."
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 12:15:36
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Some people do remember Drizzt
I'm sure he will be missed...
For lack of anything else to say. |
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jmf
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 20:11:42
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| i'm gonna miss him but i'll still enjoy reading road of the patiarch. |
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Jan 2007 : 15:25:04
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For me, the Drizzt books are fallen somewhat into a formula since the defeat of the Baenre Matron. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. When I watch Slayers, I don't expect Lina Inverse and Goury to suddenly get married or the golem to get transformed into a human being.
No, what bugs the Hell out of me is the fact that they're fighting villains beneath their weight class. The last Drizzt book I enjoyed was when they defeated Errtu again and recovered Wulfgar. Why? Because it was a Balor with a personal stake in defeating them.
The problem with the last four books or so is the fact that no one really has any stake in defeating a bunch of random pirates of the Sword Coast (even if they have Little Elf Victim Girl) and King Obould's Armies that I couldn't take seriously as a threat to Drizzt's gang. WORSE, Obould's forces are in the main campaign setting book so I knew they couldn't kill him!
You say Drizzt unchanging is bad? What's worse is the unchanging nature of the villains they can't defeat? Artemis and Jarlaxle should have offed Gareth as far as I'm concerned but he's in the main book. I can't believe I actually miss the days of TSR when a book could randomly change everything in the Realms.
I don't mind Drizzt staying the same mopey jerk that he is but have him at least fight some interesting foes!
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 05 Jan 2007 : 15:33:19
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Charles, it isn't about fighting all the time, and it also isn't about the classical path of the hero as Campbell (sp?) showed it...
It is about growth of characters as people, and that's why the sea of swords books were nice because they did showcase some character growth without Drizzt bashing in another demon's skull.
We had this argument before, many times... I guess I just should stay out of threads you prticipate in... |
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Jan 2007 : 17:16:53
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Mace, there are other ways to tell a story. If you can't accept that then maybe you should. Just because I disagree with what you like in your stories doesn't mean that I somehow am "wrong" and you're somehow "right" (or vice versa)
Frankly, Drizzt shows way TOO MUCH character 'development.' That I'm frankly to the point of getting a bit sick of his constant overanalyzing every single little thought he has. The books try way too hard to be 'deep.' Take for instance the Spine of the World, an entire book devoted to Wulfgar's whining about his condition. The book still bored me to tears.
Now, the Lone Drow comments about how Drizzt is going to explore his elvish heritage and learn to take joy out of life. With all due respect to Bob Salvatore, who the heck cares? Sherlock Holmes remained unchanging in every single one of his stories. You could have picked him off Baker Street at any time during his adventures and the man is the same character with the possible exception of "The Final Problem."
That doesnt make his stories any less entertaining.
If you really want to rebuttal me, maybe you should stop focusing on MY preferences that seem to offend you and tell me exactly how the characters are remaining static as people. The Day of our Lives angst they suffer over their talks about love and children as well as growing older is certainly new to the series in the Hunter's Blade Trilogy and unwelcome by me.
What exactly DOES Drizzt and company need to do in order to 'grow' Mace?
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Wooly Rupert
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New Drizzt novel by R.A. Salvatore in Oct 2007
