Candlekeep Forum
Candlekeep Forum
Home | Profile | Register | Active Topics | Active Polls | Members | Private Messages | Search | FAQ
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

 All Forums
 Realmslore
 Sages of Realmslore
 The Tree of Souls?
 New Topic  New Poll New Poll
 Topic Locked
 Printer Friendly
Next Page
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic
Page: of 3

VonRaventheDaring
Learned Scribe

USA
197 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2006 :  15:38:07  Show Profile  Visit VonRaventheDaring's Homepage Send VonRaventheDaring a Private Message  Delete Topic
Okay what is the tree of souls, i have read about it in a few of the novels but am lacking any historical, or other information on this. I would love some of the wise, and knowlagable scholars here to help me fill in the gaps of my elven lore.

"Develop the latent abilities within you for that is your power alone. Psionics is the ultimate art of magic and you are its practitioner. Through lifelong dedication, strive to unite your will with your physical form to become one. Only through the unrestrained union of oneā€™s mind and body can the magic of psionics truly be mastered. Throw off the yoke of any who would impose tyranny upon you. Likewise, do not ever force another to submit to your will. Free your mind, free yourself and you have only just begun the path to true psionic mastery. Free others, open their minds to the Invisible Art, and you will show them way to Auppenser."
---Dogma of the Church of Auppenser

The Sage
Procrastinator Most High

Australia
31774 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2006 :  15:53:14  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message
Elves of Evermeet and Evermeet: Island of Elves has the most lore on the artifact itself.

And the FRCS.

Candlekeep Forums Moderator

Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com
-- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct

Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)

"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood

Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage
Go to Top of Page

The Sage
Procrastinator Most High

Australia
31774 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2006 :  16:06:19  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message
And this little bit from Elaine -

"After the invasion of Evermeet in DR 1371, Amlaruil, Queen of all Elves, entrusted her youngest son, Prince Lamruil, with one of the elves' greatest artifacts: the Tree of Souls. Once planted, it will create a gradually enlarging sphere protected by ancient High Magic, and thus establish a new elven kingdom, a new haven for the elven people. Prince Lamruil, along with his human bride Maura and a widely varied group of elven adventurers, set out to find a foothold in the most remote, unaccessible, and forbidding lands of northernmost Faerun."


-- As of the end of the Evermeet novel, Lamruil has taken the Tree of Souls up north on the mainland, near the Sea of Floating Ice supposedly (as I recall Elaine said in the past) in order to plant it so a new elven homeland can be born.

And, Elaine again, from April this year, on the TREE OF SOULS novella -

"Yes, I'd planned to write a story entitled "The Tree of Souls," about Prince Lamruil's venture into the inhospitable northlands to search for a location for a new elven outpost. This was supposed to be a novella--about 15,000 words, or twice the length of the usual Realms of XX short story. Opportunities to publish something of that length are fairly rare, and I'd have a tough time telling this tale in a shorter format, so I don't anticipate publication any time soon.

That was a scary time. I'd been having severe headaches that made writing for any length of time impossible. I had my eyes checked and was told I had macular degeneration, a condition that can lead to severely diminished vision. Then I went to a retinal specialist, who assured me that I did not have MD, but I DID have a "sub-clinical detached retina," a condition that can lead to blindness. Yikes. Surgery isn't indicated at this time, but they're keeping an eye on changes and developments. That was a over a year ago. I went in just last week, and things are still looking okay. But at the time, I simply wasn't able to spend enough time at the computer to get everything done. Something had to give, and the novella was it."

Candlekeep Forums Moderator

Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com
-- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct

Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)

"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood

Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage

Edited by - The Sage on 21 Jun 2006 16:11:56
Go to Top of Page

Alisttair
Great Reader

Canada
3054 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2006 :  16:16:01  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage Send Alisttair a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

And this little bit from Elaine -

"After the invasion of Evermeet in DR 1371, Amlaruil, Queen of all Elves, entrusted her youngest son, Prince Lamruil, with one of the elves' greatest artifacts: the Tree of Souls. Once planted, it will create a gradually enlarging sphere protected by ancient High Magic, and thus establish a new elven kingdom, a new haven for the elven people. Prince Lamruil, along with his human bride Maura and a widely varied group of elven adventurers, set out to find a foothold in the most remote, unaccessible, and forbidding lands of northernmost Faerun."


-- As of the end of the Evermeet novel, Lamruil has taken the Tree of Souls up north on the mainland, near the Sea of Floating Ice supposedly (as I recall Elaine said in the past) in order to plant it so a new elven homeland can be born.

And, Elaine again, from April this year, on the TREE OF SOULS novella -

"Yes, I'd planned to write a story entitled "The Tree of Souls," about Prince Lamruil's venture into the inhospitable northlands to search for a location for a new elven outpost. This was supposed to be a novella--about 15,000 words, or twice the length of the usual Realms of XX short story. Opportunities to publish something of that length are fairly rare, and I'd have a tough time telling this tale in a shorter format, so I don't anticipate publication any time soon.

That was a scary time. I'd been having severe headaches that made writing for any length of time impossible. I had my eyes checked and was told I had macular degeneration, a condition that can lead to severely diminished vision. Then I went to a retinal specialist, who assured me that I did not have MD, but I DID have a "sub-clinical detached retina," a condition that can lead to blindness. Yikes. Surgery isn't indicated at this time, but they're keeping an eye on changes and developments. That was a over a year ago. I went in just last week, and things are still looking okay. But at the time, I simply wasn't able to spend enough time at the computer to get everything done. Something had to give, and the novella was it."




:( Glad she's better but hope this story gets to see print anyways....best of realms 3?????

Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)

Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023
Go to Top of Page

Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader

Germany
2296 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2006 :  16:40:23  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message
Apparently some lore was revised since the elven Crusade against the Fey'ri were given a sapling of the Tree of Souls by Amlaruil to plant in Myth Drannor.

This leads to the conclusion that either there is a Tree of Souls on Evermeet and both Lamruil and Seiveril get saplings, or that Lamruil gave a sapling of the Tree of Souls to his mother

Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware!
Go to Top of Page

Foxhelm
Senior Scribe

Canada
592 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2006 :  20:05:46  Show Profile Send Foxhelm a Private Message
The final book of the Last Mythal series hints that there are two saplings that were planted in the north and Myth Drannor. The even mention the hidden land of elves in the north in the final epilogue.

Ed Greenwood! The Solution... and Cause of all the Realms Problems!
Go to Top of Page

GothicDan
Master of Realmslore

USA
1103 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2006 :  21:33:18  Show Profile  Visit GothicDan's Homepage Send GothicDan a Private Message
It's not so very important if there's two of them, is it?

Planescape Fanatic

"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD
Go to Top of Page

Foxhelm
Senior Scribe

Canada
592 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2006 :  22:35:15  Show Profile Send Foxhelm a Private Message
Depends on the nature of the tree. It has power to repel fiends in LM. It has the power to enhance Elven High Magic. It seems to be linked to elven vitality. Perhaps it has the ability to increase elven birth rates for all of those in range? A range that could increase as it grows.

The fact is that the tree looks like a super-artifact. The saplings could be seen as minor artifacts. It could have hundreds of powers that are up to the DM or the WotC staff to flesh out.

Just be cause there is two saplings, doesn't decrease it's specialness if it can aid the elves from growing on the continent.

Ed Greenwood! The Solution... and Cause of all the Realms Problems!
Go to Top of Page

Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader

Germany
2296 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2006 :  23:06:26  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message
Foxhelm, you really really REALLY should read Evermeet by Elaine Cunningham, and ye olde AD&D sourcebook Elves of Evermeet. You do not have to make wild guesses about the Tree(s) it (the info) has been there for quite some time.

It is no artifact in the normal (D&D) term, it is not a magic item you can create provided you have the right spells and feats.

*sigh* too tired to rant more

Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware!
Go to Top of Page

GothicDan
Master of Realmslore

USA
1103 Posts

Posted - 21 Jun 2006 :  23:16:58  Show Profile  Visit GothicDan's Homepage Send GothicDan a Private Message
See what Mace said.

The point of the Tree was that it was singular - it was the SINGLE shining hope of the Elves Returning to the mainland.

Elaine Cunningham, who created it, has actually been discouraged entirely from carrying on its story due to how it (and Elves in general) have been handled in 3E. Coincidence? I don't think so.

She has stated, many times, that her Realms novels/stories are vaguely Arthurian in legend. Part of the reason why the Holy Grail is so special and legendary is because there's only ONE.

It makes me sad... I yearn for Elaine's Elves. They felt like creatures out of legend - not out of a rulebook.

Planescape Fanatic

"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD

Edited by - GothicDan on 21 Jun 2006 23:18:04
Go to Top of Page

Foxhelm
Senior Scribe

Canada
592 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2006 :  01:22:03  Show Profile Send Foxhelm a Private Message
Sorry, I haven't ready it for a while. But the fact of the matter is that this is part of the mixed blessing of having a shared world. You have many people bring to life this wonderful world. Each bring life and luster to the world.

But you have people with different ideas of where to go with the different parts of the story. With the tree, it started out as the hope of the elves returning to the mainland and returning their magic to the world. But then you have rule changes and stories taking different directions. Elaine Cunningham saw the elves in a Authorian manner, but that might not matter to the next writer who might see them more as Tolken like or even Norse based.

It's like comic books. Everyone is trying to link to the past, while trying to create new. It is like Darkmoon in 2ed. Elaine had a vision of the Moonblades as a collective Sword in the Stone, that was a method to find a king. Another writer saw them as a magic item that grew with each wielder and created Darkmoon. Because it appeared in Volo's Guide to Everything Magic, it is consider cannon. Even as it conflicts with Elaine's original vision. The creator of Darkmoon apoligized, but that still leaves it in existance in the game.

My ideas are ramboling, but there is a point. Faerun is a living world that is constantly growing and changing. The original sapling could be the same as the one listed in the previous editions. This seems certain. This second one can be seen as a mutation of the original Tree of Soul. It seems to have at least one different power. It could be that the original tree and/or the Elven Gods saw problems coming and create two different saplings. For two different purposes.

Fact of the matter, you would have to ask Mr. Baker about this issue than me. He wrote it and he has been answering the question put to him in the various Final Gate threads.

Sorry for my mistep.

Ed Greenwood! The Solution... and Cause of all the Realms Problems!
Go to Top of Page

Swordsage
Learned Scribe

149 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2006 :  01:37:38  Show Profile  Visit Swordsage's Homepage Send Swordsage a Private Message
I don't see a problem with Rich Baker using a sapling. If he'd hijacked the whole tree, that would have been different.

The Swordsage
Go to Top of Page

GothicDan
Master of Realmslore

USA
1103 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2006 :  01:43:05  Show Profile  Visit GothicDan's Homepage Send GothicDan a Private Message
I'm not going to ask anyone about it, myself. As you pointed out, it's a shared world.. And he's the head designer. So he can do whatever he wants, technically.

I (and others) just don't tend to like it.

And I'd like to make it known that Elaine made it VERY apparent that she tried VERY hard to work within a shared world, every step of the way. She kept up to date on lore as it was being put out (researching Star Elves before they were ever in print), and she's trying specifically to accomodate Rich's changes to Moonblades in her last novel. If anyone is at fault in their actions concerning a shared world, it's certainly not her.

Faerun constantly grows and changes, yes, but it's also meant to be a consistent world. Ed designed it, and plays it, with continuity in mind - he said that's the foremost important part of designing a fantasy world.

I just happen to agree with it. WotC does not.

Planescape Fanatic

"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD

Edited by - GothicDan on 22 Jun 2006 01:44:53
Go to Top of Page

Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader

USA
7106 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2006 :  02:52:55  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GothicDan

It's not so very important if there's two of them, is it?



I don't have an axe to grind about this issue, myself...but you do make a good point.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
Go to Top of Page

Foxhelm
Senior Scribe

Canada
592 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2006 :  03:00:16  Show Profile Send Foxhelm a Private Message
Well there is the final resort of the Forgotten Realms writer/editor/creator. Leave things vague. Even Ed Greenwood does this. The Seventh Sister is an example of this. Ed just said that she had a dark fate. Steven Schend was the one, I believe, that made her a drow and wrote up the story about her life.

Just me a few minutes I can come up many ideas to connect with this second sapling. Amlaruil is a very intellgent woman (Int 19 in Elves of Evermeet), even in morning. She is also a High Mage, which are known for secrets. It is possible that she kept back the second sapling as part of a greater plan. Sometime the best way to keep a secret is not to talk about it.

Fact is it is kind a vague right now, allowing for the development of plot points later. Just because something is not explained now in continity, doesn't mean it can be developed into a greater weave.

Still the best person to talk to is Richard Baker.

Ed Greenwood! The Solution... and Cause of all the Realms Problems!
Go to Top of Page

GothicDan
Master of Realmslore

USA
1103 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2006 :  03:13:48  Show Profile  Visit GothicDan's Homepage Send GothicDan a Private Message
I prefer not to talk to authors which I am a huge not-fan of... I've come to realize that the vehemency with which I make my stands can be offensive to their sensibilities.

And note that there's more to literature and world creation than plot continuity - there's also thematic continuity. That's my main problem with this - the entire theme has shifted, and I think that Elaine had that theme very much in mind when she created all of this.

It's the fact that things were added in 3E (in general) with seemingly no regard for the original theme's intent that irks me. I would think that in a shared world, there would be a little more respect between authors. And given how upset Elaine was over how Moonblades were recently changed, it was pretty obvious that WotC didn't really contact her about previously established Elven lore or themes.

It all makes me very sad. Elaine's tenuous future in the FR setting disheartens me almost enough to make me leave entirely. If it wasn't summer, and I wasn't so bored, I definitely would.

Steve Schend didn't at all go against Ed's theme in cementing Qilue's identity, and you can bet he talked to him about it ahead of time. That's what being part of a shared world is all about; not USING other peoples' ideas without asking or consulting them. Even if WotC does "own" it all, there's still a certain amount of intellectual and creative respect to be had.

Planescape Fanatic

"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD

Edited by - GothicDan on 22 Jun 2006 03:35:18
Go to Top of Page

scererar
Master of Realmslore

USA
1618 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2006 :  04:02:10  Show Profile Send scererar a Private Message
Still waiting to find out where the tree ended up being planted, I am thinking it was to be in the north somewhere, very secluded. I am almost thinking some sort of Oasis in the northern glaciers (my own opinion though). Hopefully some light will be shed on this subject when Elaine is finished with the last Songs and swords novel. As for a second "sapling", in overall scheme of things, probably does not matter. However, if I remember right, the tree was sent forth to help forge a new elven realm. Myth Drannor already exists. Time will tell.
Go to Top of Page

ksu_bond
Learned Scribe

New Zealand
214 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2006 :  04:37:53  Show Profile Send ksu_bond a Private Message

Edited by - ksu_bond on 23 Jun 2006 06:06:39
Go to Top of Page

scererar
Master of Realmslore

USA
1618 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2006 :  04:49:36  Show Profile Send scererar a Private Message
I agree to a point. An interesting point I found on page 487 of the novel; Evermeet. Lamruil answers "that is THE tree of souls, one of the greatest artifacts of Evermeet"

The point being, it is not A tree of souls.

The perception is... that this would be the only one.

Edited by - scererar on 22 Jun 2006 04:50:40
Go to Top of Page

Arkhaedun
Senior Scribe

869 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2006 :  04:52:36  Show Profile  Visit Arkhaedun's Homepage Send Arkhaedun a Private Message
I just wanted to point out that it would be a good idea to make sure that you aren't ascribing motives to a given author or designer when you make a post about something that has occured. While it is one thing to point out what you like or don't like, and what you would have wished to have happened, comments about the professionalism of a particular designer, or the extention of professional courtesy tend to assume that a given author or designer has intended to ignore or slight another person working in the field.

It is one thing to make statements of fact about what has or has not been published, its another thing entirely to start to assume a certain mindset was present in a given author or designer. Please regard them with this courtesy and try to assume that there are no intentional slights going on.

This can very easily slip into some dangeous territory, so please, make sure that you are not making any personal attacks on any authors or designers. If you have any questions, please refer to the CoC, located here:

http://www.candlekeep.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5109
Go to Top of Page

El Magnifico Uno
Learned Scribe

113 Posts

Posted - 23 Jun 2006 :  20:38:22  Show Profile  Visit El Magnifico Uno's Homepage Send El Magnifico Uno a Private Message
Well who's to say that regardless of how many saplings you have, it's not still THE Tree of Souls.. Maybe it could just be one tree in two different locations?.. It's a magical tree, who's to say it can't do that.. Maybe what happens to the tree in one location happens to the tree in the other location?.. Chop down the tree here, and the one over there dies too.. Maybe that could be why the elves previously decided to keep it as just one tree - decrease the risk?.. More of THE tree increases the likelihood of it getting mangled, so best just to keep one and protect the hell out of it.. As to why the elves would suddenly decide to plant the tree in two different locations after all these years?.. Who knows? Those elves can be pretty mysterious and inscrutable at times..
Go to Top of Page

GothicDan
Master of Realmslore

USA
1103 Posts

Posted - 23 Jun 2006 :  21:07:39  Show Profile  Visit GothicDan's Homepage Send GothicDan a Private Message
Because then it would make its original purpose (Elven High Magic being able to be cast within a certain radius without any drawbacks) less spectacular, if its "radius" could be duplicated many times.

Once more, it's like the idea of the Holy Grail being "cloned" magically.

Planescape Fanatic

"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD
Go to Top of Page

El Magnifico Uno
Learned Scribe

113 Posts

Posted - 23 Jun 2006 :  21:24:02  Show Profile  Visit El Magnifico Uno's Homepage Send El Magnifico Uno a Private Message
Well, it would seem to me that it would be even more spectacular if it could be duplicated many many times.. In fact, there would be few things less spectacular than an entire world covered by the Tree(s) of Souls and High Magic being cast left and right.. But yes, I do understand what you are trying to get at - it loses it's cool "uniqueness" factor when there is more than one.. When there is only one, it becomes that much more dramatic and important.. So yeah, it does kinda suck in that regard (especially if you are a big fan of the original creator).. However, there does unfortunately (for that viewpoint) seem to be more than one Tree of Souls at the moment.. So you can either a) completely ignore that, or b) find some way to reconcile it and hopefully turn a lemon into lemonade..

Or maybe it's not the real Tree of Souls at all? Maybe they just got some birch tree, spray painted it gold and silver, and then called it the Tree of Souls so they could attract new immigrants and increase the value of real estate in the Cormanthor?
Go to Top of Page

warlockco
Master of Realmslore

USA
1695 Posts

Posted - 23 Jun 2006 :  21:28:45  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message
Easiest way to Resolve the Tree of Souls is treat it like Dragonbait's Soul. There can be many, yet it is still one.

News of the Weird

D20 System Reference Document
D20 Modern System Reference Document
Go to Top of Page

GothicDan
Master of Realmslore

USA
1103 Posts

Posted - 23 Jun 2006 :  21:35:00  Show Profile  Visit GothicDan's Homepage Send GothicDan a Private Message
I would personally ignore its existence - especially since its entire purpose is null in 3E anyway, as Elven High Magic no longer incurs penalties of any sort no matter where it's cast...

Planescape Fanatic

"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD
Go to Top of Page

scererar
Master of Realmslore

USA
1618 Posts

Posted - 23 Jun 2006 :  23:06:00  Show Profile Send scererar a Private Message
Here is the canon information of the tree of souls; taken from page 76 of the elves of evermeet. any sages out there with updated info, please pitch in.

"Tree of Souls

The most powerful and valuable of all elven artifacts resides in magical stasis in the the palace of Queen Amlaruil. It is possibly the most powerful artifact on all of Abeir-Toril. The tree of souls holds the essences of many ancient elves who chose to stay on Toril, rather than join Corellon Larethian in Arvandor, allowing their souls to be used to rebuild the elven nation. It is being held in safety, looking forward to the day (possibly thousands of years distant) when the elves finally return to Faerūn. If planted, the tree will instantly sprout into a gigantic (500-foot-tall), white-barked, oak-like tree with gleaming green and gold leaves. The tree itself will then act as a permanent gate to and from the island of Evermeet. It will allow the free casting of high magic without penalty within 100 miles. This radius will increase at a rate of one mile per year after the tree has been planted. Once the tree of souls has been planted, however,it can never be moved again. For this reason, in anticipation of an eventual return to the mainland, Amlaruil and the leaders of the elves,(those few who know of the tree's existence) do not wish to plant it on Evermeet".

Additionally, page 162 of the novel Evermeet, shows Corellon presenting Starleaf with the Tree of souls, to use at a future date, when the elves may wish or need to return to the mainland of Faerun.

And of course, we all know that, in the end of the Novel, Prince Lameruil took the tree of souls and journeyed to find and start still unknown, "new realm of the elves" to plant it.

Edited by - scererar on 23 Jun 2006 23:12:19
Go to Top of Page

Skeptic
Master of Realmslore

Canada
1273 Posts

Posted - 24 Jun 2006 :  00:12:31  Show Profile Send Skeptic a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GothicDan

[..] especially since its entire purpose is null in 3E anyway, as Elven High Magic no longer incurs penalties of any sort no matter where it's cast...



So that's a thing to add on my FR without D&D list

Edited by - Skeptic on 24 Jun 2006 00:12:55
Go to Top of Page

GothicDan
Master of Realmslore

USA
1103 Posts

Posted - 24 Jun 2006 :  11:19:31  Show Profile  Visit GothicDan's Homepage Send GothicDan a Private Message
Yeah.. The description of the Tree of Souls makes it pretty obvious there isn't supposed to be TWO.

Planescape Fanatic

"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD
Go to Top of Page

Dhomal
Senior Scribe

USA
565 Posts

Posted - 24 Jun 2006 :  17:13:27  Show Profile Send Dhomal a Private Message
Hello-

Just a quick note.

(*BTW - I did read Evermeet a long time ago - and dont remember much; I have not yet read ANY of the Last Mythal books.*)

I understand that there is supposed to be only ONE Tree of Souls.

However - it seems like there may only BE one - if the refernece(s) people are fretting about reference Sapplings.

Trees grow with time, and most normally give off seeds in order to try and create more trees. (*Ask any gardener/homeowner who has Maples on their property about this sometime!*) It seems like a tree destined to help give life anew to the elven people would probably try and expand this ability also. I imagine (in my less-than learned state on the subject) that these saplings may have been created by the tree as a part of its ability to help spread the well-being of the elven people. It would, of course, also make sense to me that these saplings would be FAR less powerful, IF magical at all, than the main Tree of Souls. You could even go so far as to think of the saplings as some of the souls of the Tree of SoulS. Just some thoughts.

Dhomal

I am collecting the D&D Minis. I would be more than willing to trade with people. You can send me a PM here with your email listed - and I can send you my minis list. Thanks!

Successfully traded with Xysma!
Go to Top of Page

scererar
Master of Realmslore

USA
1618 Posts

Posted - 24 Jun 2006 :  17:50:55  Show Profile Send scererar a Private Message
While I agree with you Dhomal. Trees in general do exactly as you say and extracting a sapling would be fairly easy. My only thought/ worry/ concern, is that... it is an artifact. As stated in the sourebooks I mentioned in earlier posts, potentially one of the most powerful artifacts on Toril. I would hope that it would be very difficult, if not impossible to "clone" for lack of a better word, an artifact... tree or otherwise.

This makes me think of a different thread here about eating an artifact, I beleive it was the eye of vecna or some such thing. If the magic could transfer, I am thinking a bunch of squirrils and birds, who hang around this "tree" would have some powerful droppings
Go to Top of Page

KnightErrantJR
Great Reader

USA
5402 Posts

Posted - 24 Jun 2006 :  18:29:36  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message
Perhaps the tree only bears fruit when something momentous is about to happen, such as what happened in Final Gate. It could be that the very fact that the fruit of the Tree of Souls sprouted a sapling could have been the first sign to Aumlaruil that something was going to happen that was very important in the near future.

In other words, you wouldn't have a crop of "Trees of Souls" whenever the tree bore fruit, and normally it wouldn't have saplings, but when something momentous happens, and a sapling does begin to form, you know something is up.

Just my thoughts . . .

Edited by - KnightErrantJR on 24 Jun 2006 18:30:37
Go to Top of Page
Page: of 3 Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Next Page
 New Topic  New Poll New Poll
 Topic Locked
 Printer Friendly
Jump To:
Candlekeep Forum © 1999-2024 Candlekeep.com Go To Top Of Page
Snitz Forums 2000