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Wandering_mage
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 Posted - 29 May 2006 : 20:53:21
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Ok, I basically understand how Moander's Road came about, I also understand the fact that he is a dead God, I aslo know that the elves of Myth Drannor crushed a little "rebellion?" or "cult" dedicated to Moander before Myth Drannor's fall. Here are my questions, were the elves of Cormanthor being recruited by Moander? Did Moander really corrupt a moonblade? What did he do to the moonblade other than evil it up? Are there any open endings as to what happened to Moander?
Just a few short explanations might put the peices of the puzzle together for me better. I bid thee luck Champions of Lore! 
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 29 May 2006 : 23:48:10
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
... Are there any open endings as to what happened to Moander?...
Unfortunately I can't answer your questions regarding Moander and the elves of Cormanther, but I can tell you that there shouldn't be any open endings regarding Moander's fate because his death was detailed in the Finder's Stone Trilogy by Kate Novak and Jeff Grub. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 00:00:43
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Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
... Are there any open endings as to what happened to Moander?...
Unfortunately I can't answer your questions regarding Moander and the elves of Cormanther, but I can tell you that there shouldn't be any open endings regarding Moander's fate because his death was detailed in the Finder's Stone Trilogy by Kate Novak and Jeff Grub.
Yep he's definitely dead. Finder Wyvernspur has his powers now (though he's not too keen on having rot and decay in his portfolio but he's working to do it properly anyway)
So storywise there aren't really any open ends, but there's nothing that says a dead god can't come back to life (Bane anyone?). It'll take some doing though.
I believe there may have been a mention of Moander in Power of Faerun , think under the Heretic of the Faith feat, or perhaps as a plot hook in that or some other book such as Champions of Valour |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 00:15:55
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
Yep he's definitely dead. Finder Wyvernspur has his powers now (though he's not too keen on having rot and decay in his portfolio but he's working to do it properly anyway)
Well, Finder and Lloth actually. :) Don't forget she got some of Old Moldys portfolios. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 00:45:28
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Did Moander really corrupt a moonblade? What did he do to the moonblade other than evil it up? Are there any open endings as to what happened to Moander?
Yes, Moander corrupted a moonblade. He didn't do much other than suppress its ability to judge wielders. See Volo's Guide to All Things Magical (formerly a suppressed work  ) for more info; you can get it for free from the Wizards downloads page.
There's a nice follow-up to what Moander is up to in Powers of Faerūn; it builds on info from Volo's Guide to the Dalelands, which can also be downloaded from the above-linked site. 
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 01:02:00
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
Yep he's definitely dead. Finder Wyvernspur has his powers now (though he's not too keen on having rot and decay in his portfolio but he's working to do it properly anyway)
Well, Finder and Lloth actually. :) Don't forget she got some of Old Moldys portfolios.
The details of which (regarding Lolth's taking of some of Moander's portfolios) can be gleaned from Demihuman Deities.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 01:03:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Did Moander really corrupt a moonblade? What did he do to the moonblade other than evil it up? Are there any open endings as to what happened to Moander?
Yes, Moander corrupted a moonblade. He didn't do much other than suppress its ability to judge wielders. See Volo's Guide to All Things Magical (formerly a suppressed work ) for more info; you can get it for free from the Wizards downloads page.
I'll throw in a little of what Eric said with regard to his work on the Starym Moonblade -
"...as the creator of said Starym Moonblade, I would characterize it as a "former moonblade." It was a moonblade. Then it was corrupted by a god (Moander). Therefore, it's not really a moonblade any more, but obviously it is still referred to as such (and thinks of itself as such)."
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 01:06:30
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| That Moonblade is also mentioned in Cormanthyr:Empire of the Elves. :) Under the date 523. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 30 May 2006 01:09:09 |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 01:30:00
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Now Kuje, I actually have that book so I will read that page when I get back from work.
Every one else, thank you so much for the info. I had no idea about the fact that Lloth got some of Moander's powers. No one knows if Corellon is still paying allimony to Lloth???? Hopefully that is a joke that is at least factual in that Corellon and Lloth were together. I might be wrong though.  |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 01:34:03
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Now Kuje, I actually have that book so I will read that page when I get back from work.
Every one else, thank you so much for the info. I had no idea about the fact that Lloth got some of Moander's powers. No one knows if Corellon is still paying allimony to Lloth???? Hopefully that is a joke that is at least factual in that Corellon and Lloth were together. I might be wrong though.
Grin. :) Maybe Corellon has to pay it in souls. Oh man, that would scorch him. |
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Chyron
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 01:59:38
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Interestingly enough...
There is a new bit of info on Moander in Power of Faerun.
On Page 117 (High Level Challenges) there is an adventure seed which is called Moander Rises from the Rot.
It describes there is a "...flickering sentience of the 'dead' god" which has awakened. To be fully restored requires this spark to be fed more power (the likes of another avatar or a couple Chosen, etc). |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 10:44:48
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One would bet that neither Finder nor Lolth will be keen nor willing to give anything back to Moander. One wonders whether this is another ploy of the Spider Queen to get more power, giving spells and all under his name.
Anyway, the story of that rampage can be found in the novel Azure Bonds, or, in a shortened form in the Heroes' Lorebook (Alias) or Villain's Lorebook (Cassana et al). |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 15:24:17
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| Gotta love the the realms. It ain't over until the geography changes! Hahaha, so Moander does have a slight open ending. Cool. Thanks for the info. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1176 Posts |
Posted - 30 May 2006 : 16:02:37
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An open ending in so far as it's a potential plot hook rather than a set in stone storyline.
I.e. it's an idea for use in 'your' realms, rather than something thats happening at the moment in the 'current' realms (if that makes sense) |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 23:52:06
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
An open ending in so far as it's a potential plot hook rather than a set in stone storyline.
I.e. it's an idea for use in 'your' realms, rather than something thats happening at the moment in the 'current' realms (if that makes sense)
But maybe we will see the Old Moldy return in one of the future FR tomes? I would certainly love that, and I will use the suggested idea for Moander's return from Power of Faerūn.
Kaladorm, since VGtD hints very strongly that at least a portion of Moander's power and sentience is still imprisoned in Darkwatch, I consider this to be a piece of established Realmslore |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 31 May 2006 : 01:08:18
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| Kaladorm I appreciate your words. I wouldn't dream of reading in to that plot hook too much. Just a thought for my own game. |
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Halidan
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 01 Jun 2006 : 20:16:08
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I personally think that there can be several open plot hooks for Moander. Even if you don't want him returning as a god, Moander can still cause trouble for the Realms.
The ancient elves of Cormathor had a habbit of trapping bits of Moander's essence on the Prime Material plane. We know that they did it at least twice - once in Yulash and again in Tsornyl (Also known as Darkwatch, located in Deepingdale).
What's to say that there aren't other bits of old Moldy out there waiting to be discovered. In one of my campaigns, I used this possobility in converting the original Temple of Elemental Evil to FR.
Rather than Zuggtmoy being trapped by the silver runes in the temple, it was Moander. This also allowed me set up a side quest with a group of disguised drow trying to claim the trapped power of Moander for Lolth.
Just a couple of thoughts I wanted to share. |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Jun 2006 : 14:39:04
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| Moander isn't part of the Seldarine right? |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 07 Jun 2006 : 14:44:26
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| Nope ... he is defo a "human" deity. But not unknown amongst the elves, apparently. Mielikki and Mystra are more present, methinks the former may even have a elven alias, Khalreshaar. |
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Derulbaskul
Senior Scribe
Singapore
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Posted - 07 Jun 2006 : 15:31:02
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| I'm tossing up whether to have a portion of Moander trapped in the ruins of Fortress Narder. If it's not him, it's going to be Zuggtmoy. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 09 Jun 2006 : 00:18:30
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Originally posted by Halidan
I personally think that there can be several open plot hooks for Moander. Even if you don't want him returning as a god, Moander can still cause trouble for the Realms.
The ancient elves of Cormathor had a habbit of trapping bits of Moander's essence on the Prime Material plane. We know that they did it at least twice - once in Yulash and again in Tsornyl (Also known as Darkwatch, located in Deepingdale).
What's to say that there aren't other bits of old Moldy out there waiting to be discovered. In one of my campaigns, I used this possobility in converting the original Temple of Elemental Evil to FR.
Rather than Zuggtmoy being trapped by the silver runes in the temple, it was Moander. This also allowed me set up a side quest with a group of disguised drow trying to claim the trapped power of Moander for Lolth.
Just a couple of thoughts I wanted to share.
You could always place the temple in the Rift of Darkwatch...  |
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keijemon
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Posted - 09 Jun 2006 : 14:17:16
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| can some one set the timeline straight for me, I thought Moander was already dead by the time starym came to him (starym came to his grave of sorts), how was he doing the blade corrupting? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 09 Jun 2006 : 16:17:22
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Originally posted by keijemon
can some one set the timeline straight for me, I thought Moander was already dead by the time starym came to him (starym came to his grave of sorts), how was he doing the blade corrupting?
Nope, he just had a chunk of himself imprisoned. His actual death is a recent event. |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Jun 2006 : 15:44:52
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| I'll have to read about the corrupting of the Starym blade tonight at work. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Jun 2006 : 20:09:46
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
I'll have to read about the corrupting of the Starym blade tonight at work.
There's not a lot to the tale... But Volo's Guide to All Things Magical (formerly a suppressed work ) is, in my opinion, one of the best sources of magical lore we've ever had from TSR/WotC. Even though it was 2E, a lot of the stuff -- like magical properties of certain materials -- can be used in 3E with no modification. It's just a wonderful book, and my second-fave of the Volo's Guides (the most fave being the Waterdeep one, of course  ). |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Jun 2006 : 21:30:24
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| I kinda wish they started publishing more of Volo's books. They were extremely helpful. A tourist guide to the Realms if you will. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Jun 2006 : 21:38:39
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| You are not the only one with a dream of a continual dream of Volo's insightful observations of the realms and its Wizards. But I think the days of the great travelers guides are sadly over. |
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