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Trafaldi
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 18 Mar 2003 : 01:13:52
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I think it would be interesting for FR to have a war happen and that will go on for some time. It would be interesting to have characters run across a battle field. They do have battles with different races but I am talking about a war between two kingdoms that involves humans to begin with but other races being dragged into it.
I think it would be and interesting idea and if I have overlooked something like this my apologies.
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AraznBlair
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 18 Mar 2003 : 01:30:51
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Well there was the Crusade that King Azoun led against the Thugian Horde. That was a large scale war though I don't think it lasted very long. Currently there is a war against the Pharrym (sp?) as well.
It would be interesting if Zhentil Keep was to regroup and march onto the Dalelands and beyond. |
Arazn Blair
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Mar 2003 : 10:12:38
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quote:
Originally posted by AraznBlair
Well there was the Crusade that King Azoun led against the Thugian Horde. That was a large scale war though I don't think it lasted very long. Currently there is a war against the Pharrym (sp?) as well.
It would be interesting if Zhentil Keep was to regroup and march onto the Dalelands and beyond.
Indeed, in the first half of 1372DR there is the Phaerimm siege of Evereska. The Phaerimm use beholders, and charmed humanoids as their army. The opposition is formed by a small group of elven defenders in Evereska, and a large relief force drawn up from Waterdeep and its surroundings and the Silver Marches... quite a messy and blloody battle.
If you want to read more about this, check out the 'Return of the Archwizards' series. |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 18 Mar 2003 : 19:01:56
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I think that it would be great that a big event appeared ( my english) for the change between 2nd and 3rd edition, such as the ToT for the ad&d and ad&d2 change... Like a big war |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 Mar 2003 : 19:27:27
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| Yes, same here. The moment I realized (back when I first joined the forum) that you guys were talking about a third edition, I wondered if there was a second Time of Troubles, or an analog thereof, in a trilogy about to come out. I was very disappointed to find that there wasn't any such thing. |
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AraznBlair
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 18 Mar 2003 : 22:34:29
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| I didn't realize that the TOT separated the ad&D and the ad&d2. If that is the case then wouldn't it be true to say that the Return of the Archwizards be the separation between 2E and 3E? |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 02:33:43
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| It wasn't meant to be the dividing line. Or rather, it was just an epic, far-spanning story, until the folks at TSR realized that with the new edition comming out, they could use that to sort of "explain" the changes, at least for the Realms. After all, things certainly didn't go back the way they were. |
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Targon Moonrise
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 02:50:16
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| I thought the ToT was only in Forgotten Realms. I didn't know is spread into the AD&D area. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 02:54:55
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| It was only for the Realms. I said that in my last post. It was just convenient timing that the idea of the Time of Troubles came along at the same time as the second edition. |
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Targon Moonrise
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 03:18:23
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| Sorry, I must of misinterpreted your post wrong. |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 08:00:07
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| For example, the assassins disapeared in ad&d2, all were killed by Myrkul and Bane |
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poilbrun
Acolyte
Belgium
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Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 15:24:20
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| Well, as zemd pointed out, the ToT and the death of Bhaal helped explain the disappearance of the Assassin class when going from AD&D to AD&D 2nd edition. The same happened for the passage to D&D 3e, where the Sorcerer class is introduced with Galaeron in the Return of the Archwizards trilogy. |
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AulayanDuerf
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 15:39:19
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| Actually, Sorcerers supposedly have 'always existed' in the Realms. No sudden event created them. The symbul, for example, is now a sorcerer. |
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AraznBlair
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 16:15:54
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Thats true the Symbul is a sorcerous as well as other sisters. but if you look at the 2E you will see that she or anyone else is not a sorcorer or even prestige classes. That is why I think that the Return of the Archwizards may be the defining line for 3E.
I agree that it may all be just conveinience to explain away the changes. It does however make for an interesting topic IMHO. |
Arazn Blair
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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4740 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 19:33:50
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| Oh, it's just convenience. The editors leaning on the authors to do things a certain way. At least that's my guess. Perhaps one of the Esteemed Authors could enlighten us? |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 19:37:28
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| What did happen in the archiwizard trilogy? (just the thing that could explain me the 'appearance' of the sorceror) |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 22:24:17
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And what about a war between two 'good aligned' countries?
To not see who is the evil side could be very cool to read. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 23:29:04
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Hmm, yes, that would be interesting. But it would have to be well-thought out, since the only real reason for such a war would be a big misunderstanding. True, it would be nice to have a low occurrence of evil in the book -- show that even those not dedicated to destruction could still screw things up -- but I think that's a bit impossible in the Realms. As a plot device, to get things going, it would be much easier to have evil ones (say, Zhents, but there are other ones to use) stoke the fires.
Maybe have Evil Group X orchestrate a misunderstanding between Waterdeep and Cormyr? I know they aren't right next to each other, but that also leaves lots of ground to fight in. And also side-stories of how the peoples in that region react to it. And I know that Waterdeep is only a city-state, but they might be able to get allies, like from Mithril Hall. (Oh! Side-story of drow/other attacking while the army's away from the Hall!)
Yes, I think this would make a great story. Maybe not with these particualar groups, but then that was just an example that I got carried away with. It would certainly be a change from other Realms books. It would affect nations instead of just certain individuals (like the adventuring party). |
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Trafaldi
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 Mar 2003 : 15:56:43
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| If any of you have read Glen Cook's Garret P.I. Books a war like the what happens in the Cantard would be good. |
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AraznBlair
Learned Scribe
USA
114 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2003 : 16:24:37
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Originally posted by zemd
And what about a war between two 'good aligned' countries?
To not see who is the evil side could be very cool to read.
Sounds interesting. Say that Sembia decides that since Cormyr has been devestated (sp?) after the lose of King Azoun and then the destruction of Tilverton, the Merchant Lords decide to expand their power and invade the Lands of the Purple Dragon.
If they don't write a book about that, it does however sound like an interesting campaign hook. |
Arazn Blair
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2003 : 16:40:51
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I don't think necesserly (english?) that evil must be involved. Maybe two good aligned country can disagree, and go to war even if their leaders aren't evil...
It's hard to describe what i mean, so i don't even imaging writing it.
But i think it could make a fantastic novel |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2003 : 17:17:02
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| Yes, it would; and like I said, it would be a real change from "focused" books -- books that follow certain characters closely. A war's a big thing. Think of all the possible interactions! |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2003 : 17:20:24
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Are there authors who are reading this forum?!
<To the authors:>
Isn't it a great idea? |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2003 : 04:05:04
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| I guess they didn't hear you. |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2003 : 13:03:37
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| That's sad, because the more i think about it, the more i think it's a great idea! Maybe i should begin to write, even if don't have any talent for writing at least i've got ideas |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Mar 2003 : 19:33:37
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| Well, you've already started talking to me on MSN, so bring the subject up there. I'll help if I can. |
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