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Firhyanda
Learned Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 11 May 2006 : 16:11:32
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Greetings
What is the current disposition of Halaster Blackcloak? As of say the current year in the realms. Is he dead in hiding on vacation in the underdark, wow I suddenly realized I lost track of him.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2006 : 17:03:41
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| After he helped rescue Elminster from Hell, in Elminster in Hell, Mystra mostly cleared him of Shar's insanity and so he's lucid, most of the time, except for the times when he slides back into temp bouts of insanity. Otherwise, he's still in Undermountain..... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36798 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2006 : 17:15:57
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| He's still having fun watching all the fools wandering thru his playground, Undermountain. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 May 2006 : 17:18:01
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Aye. We know Halaster can slip back into his periods of insanity every now and then... but it's nothing compared to what he experienced before the purging of the influence from Shar.
And while a sane Halaster may sound scary... what's really frightening is what Ed, Eric or Steven can *do* with a SANE Halaster!
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2006 : 23:26:43
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Well, as soon as I get done with The Temptation of Eliminster I will read Eliminster in Hell. Sounds very worthwhile. I am promised a spectacle including the Simbul, Halaster, and Eliminster. That ain't half bad.  |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2006 : 23:44:09
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Well, as soon as I get done with The Temptation of Eliminster I will read Eliminster in Hell. Sounds very worthwhile. I am promised a spectacle including the Simbul, Halaster, and Eliminster. That ain't half bad.
And when you are done with El in Hell, read Ed's remarks about the after effects, which can be found in my sig. Use the Index/TOC and do searches for Halaster and then find those same dates in the files themselves. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2006 : 03:37:03
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| He is more likely now playing with his Undermountain model and determining the fates of adventurers in Undermountain at his own whim and tastes, of course, determined by his sanity and insanity at the moment. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2006 : 04:08:32
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Unless you're expecting an anthology of Elminster's disconnected memories you are not going to get the spectacle I suspect you're looking for. Only about a sixth of the novel is actually about Elminster in Hell. Just thought I'd warn you.
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Well, as soon as I get done with The Temptation of Eliminster I will read Eliminster in Hell. Sounds very worthwhile. I am promised a spectacle including the Simbul, Halaster, and Eliminster. That ain't half bad.
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 May 2006 : 12:59:43
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A long time ago I realized that I would never know all I wanted to know about people like Eliminster, Khelben, and other celebrities of the realms. Although somewhat depressing it also leaves room for people to add a little bit of their own flavor during a gaming session as DM. Although I would caution those that would use the Chosen of Mystra too liberally. Your characters might just not get the "Chosen" thing and end up losing a lot of dignity.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36798 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2006 : 13:22:12
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
A long time ago I realized that I would never know all I wanted to know about people like Eliminster, Khelben, and other celebrities of the realms. Although somewhat depressing it also leaves room for people to add a little bit of their own flavor during a gaming session as DM.
Steven Schend has given us a lot of info about Khelben, and we have his upcoming novel, Blackstaff, to look forward to. It comes out in July.
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Although I would caution those that would use the Chosen of Mystra too liberally. Your characters might just not get the "Chosen" thing and end up losing a lot of dignity.
There's a lot of people who just don't get the point of the Chosen.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 May 2006 : 13:40:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Steven Schend has given us a lot of info about Khelben...
Which can, of course, be found in the author/game designer compiled replies files -- see the URL in Kuje's sig.
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 May 2006 : 02:52:10
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Sorry Wooly, I was speaking from a recent experience. As a DM I brought a Chosen of Mystra (Alustriel) into my campaign for a quick cameo and one of the players wanted to kill her just to be a pain. Needless to say I was disappointed by the lack of consideration on the players part but hey you can't control everything. (Shrug) Anyways, I had to make the dangerous character docile while role-playing was done by the more experienced people. 
I am of the understanding that the chosen work to spread the use of magic responsibly. They are guided by their own hearts thereafter. Am I correct in thinking this? I am totally open to correction of my interpretation.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 13 May 2006 : 14:48:48
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
I am of the understanding that the chosen work to spread the use of magic responsibly. They are guided by their own hearts thereafter. Am I correct in thinking this? I am totally open to correction of my interpretation.
Pretty much, yes.
But a lot of people seem to think of the Chosen as either people who throw their weight around everywhere, using their magical might to get every little thing as they desire, or as just another target, waiting for powerful PCs to come along and try to kill them. That's what I meant by most people not getting the Chosen -- I wasn't referring to anyone in particular; it's just something I've seen a lot of people do. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 13 May 2006 : 15:41:25
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Indeed. Mystra's Chosen are unique characters and should be utilised as such.
Part of why they are unique is because of their role. They balance out Mystra, and store some of her power in case it's needed. They're kind of like "loyal opposition" -- they are loyal to Mystra, but they are not controlled by her, and with them having some of her power, they can act in opposition to her if she gets out of control. They are also assistants of a sort; they work to further the spread of magic, but in a pinch, they can also help to maintain the Weave.
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2006 : 00:39:11
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| Thanks for clearing that up Wooly and Sage. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 May 2006 : 01:45:31
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Not a problem.
If you're looking for a more in-depth account of Mystra's Chosen, I would suggest picking up a copy of the Heroes' Lorebook. It has a full section on the origins and function of Mystra's Chosen in the Realms.
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 May 2006 : 15:02:29
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Originally posted by The Sage
Not a problem.
If you're looking for a more in-depth account of Mystra's Chosen, I would suggest picking up a copy of the Heroes' Lorebook. It has a full section on the origins and function of Mystra's Chosen in the Realms.
Also limiting the view excusively to the Seven Sisters is the book, "The Seven Sisters" (funny coincidence huh?)
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2006 : 20:02:13
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| For once I can say I have that book! |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2006 : 10:39:07
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For once I can say I have that book!
And it's always nice when that happens! |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 May 2006 : 15:51:47
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Hahahah, true Reefy. In fact I just ganked Eliminster in Hell, and the entire trilogy of the shadow of the avatar series from my little brother who is way to involved in computer games now. He didn't mind but I am still worried that my alignment might have gone down.  My brother is LG after all. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 16 May 2006 : 09:30:08
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Hahahah, true Reefy. In fact I just ganked Eliminster in Hell, and the entire trilogy of the shadow of the avatar series from my little brother who is way to involved in computer games now. He didn't mind but I am still worried that my alignment might have gone down. My brother is LG after all.
Don`t worry about alignment. Mine changes all the time. I`m usually NG but sometimes I get really CE. |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 May 2006 : 14:15:25
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| Speaking of Alignment, do you think Halaster has had a change of alignment at all. Maybe temporary periods of NG when he notices a party is about to get annihilated by a trap he didn't construct.....and then he leads them to a trap that he did construct that will destroy the party thus becoming Evil once again. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 16 May 2006 : 17:32:54
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Speaking of Alignment, do you think Halaster has had a change of alignment at all. Maybe temporary periods of NG when he notices a party is about to get annihilated by a trap he didn't construct.....and then he leads them to a trap that he did construct that will destroy the party thus becoming Evil once again.
I can't see that... I think he'd be more inclined to sit back and watch, and if the trap was particularly clever, steal the design for himself. He might also, just to teach the original trapmaker a lesson, relocate the trap to catch the trapmaker. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 May 2006 : 01:20:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Speaking of Alignment, do you think Halaster has had a change of alignment at all. Maybe temporary periods of NG when he notices a party is about to get annihilated by a trap he didn't construct.....and then he leads them to a trap that he did construct that will destroy the party thus becoming Evil once again.
I can't see that... I think he'd be more inclined to sit back and watch, and if the trap was particularly clever, steal the design for himself. He might also, just to teach the original trapmaker a lesson, relocate the trap to catch the trapmaker.
Agreed.
Halaster would be motivated more by what *he* could glean from such a situation. Afterall, the best way to understand a particularly clever trap is to see it work!
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 May 2006 : 04:19:25
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| You know, I just have several scattered references of Halaster to go on when considering what type of person he is. I definitely like his style in handling the Naturalist Guild of Myth Drannor. I still laugh at that to this very day. 15 years!!!!! Without ever thinking anything was wrong. |
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Dhomal
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 17 May 2006 : 05:24:15
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Hello-
I know I am by no means 'current' in all my Realms-reading. :) I was curious what sources are the most relavent to issues of Halaster. Other than the FRCS 1/2/3 editions.
Thanks!
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 17 May 2006 : 05:44:58
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Originally posted by Dhomal
Hello-
I know I am by no means 'current' in all my Realms-reading. :) I was curious what sources are the most relavent to issues of Halaster. Other than the FRCS 1/2/3 editions.
Thanks!
Dhomal
The Undermountain box sets.
Stardock adventure.
Elminster in Hell. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 17 May 2006 : 06:10:37
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Ed also provides some brief notes on the "current" stylings of Halaster in some of his '05 replies (there one or two in the '04 replies also).
Steven Schend also provides some "unofficial" thoughts in his compiled replies too.
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Nightbreeze
Acolyte
Italy
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Posted - 29 May 2006 : 14:01:12
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
You know, I just have several scattered references of Halaster to go on when considering what type of person he is. I definitely like his style in handling the Naturalist Guild of Myth Drannor. I still laugh at that to this very day. 15 years!!!!! Without ever thinking anything was wrong.
It seems i missed that event. What are speaking about? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 May 2006 : 16:58:19
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Originally posted by Nightbreeze
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
You know, I just have several scattered references of Halaster to go on when considering what type of person he is. I definitely like his style in handling the Naturalist Guild of Myth Drannor. I still laugh at that to this very day. 15 years!!!!! Without ever thinking anything was wrong.
It seems i missed that event. What are speaking about?
It's in the Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves timeline and FRCS timeline on page 269 in the year 668. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 29 May 2006 19:49:19 |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 29 May 2006 : 19:33:18
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| I was also referencing the 2nd Edition resource 'The Fall of Myth Drannor'. A good read for any interested. |
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What is the current status of Halaster Blackcloak
