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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
 Posted - 17 May 2006 : 03:51:42
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| Not that I had anything to do with this publication, but has everyone forgotten "Citadel of Glass." I know it's an adventure, not a regional book or topical book (like races or dragons), but it is an FR title for those who are jonesing for one. |
http://eytanbernstein.com - the official website of Eytan Bernstein |
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Eremite
Learned Scribe
Singapore
182 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 05:31:23
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| Although it's no longer called "Citadel of Glass".... |
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Bocklin
Learned Scribe
Germany
151 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 06:09:58
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That's what I was referring to in my post above: "Twilight Tomb". ;)
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 07:54:45
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Originally posted by Arivia
Something I just thought of: perhaps the planned Ravenloft product for this year is taking the fourth Realms product's spot?
Urge to kill: Rising! |
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Emperor Sigismund
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Bocklin
Learned Scribe
Germany
151 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 08:36:57
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Hi Dargoth,
You might want to check the "ask the FR designers Thread":
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=9177991
Rich and Eric have given some explanations about the WotC's views on regional source books. Not that the answers would satisfy you, but if you want to chime in, it might have more impact.
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 08:49:46
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I just noticed that Promise of the Witchking (paperback) hasn't been announced at all and isn't in the WotC online product catalog 
Anyone know anything on this? Surely they will release it in paperback? It's usually a year after the hardcover though so i'm slightly worried. |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 09:55:50
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Originally posted by Bocklin
Hi Dargoth,
You might want to check the "ask the FR designers Thread":
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=9177991
Rich and Eric have given some explanations about the WotC's views on regional source books. Not that the answers would satisfy you, but if you want to chime in, it might have more impact.
Bocklin
no its not and its not inspiring much confidence in the 2007 line up for Realms
Im less than impressed with this comment from Rich
"Doing a lot of regional sourcebooks creates exclusive "silos" for people to park their games in--it's like we're creating sub-settings within the larger setting and telling people that they should play there and ignore other products talking about different places"
Well Mr Baker the solution is STOP Ignoring regions of the Realms and put out MORE Regional source books each year not LESS.  |
“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”
Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Bocklin
Learned Scribe
Germany
151 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 11:03:48
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Why are you not posting this on the WotC Boards? This would make more sense, me thinks. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 15:52:53
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We'll see how things turn out in the long run, maybe the adventure/regional concept works out sales-wise, maybe it doesn't. Ultimately the player-base will decide, it is a matter of WOTC listening to their customers. A few voices won't bring their marketing-strategies down, a print-run that gathers dust on the shelves will probably make an impact. As far as I can tell the regional supplements have been very well received, but marketing will always try new ventures and only a smart marketing-department will revise their errors.
Especially in the corporate world... |
Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware! |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 01:20:27
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I have to say I'm not overly impressed with the news either. At least we got some answers though.
Lord Rad, I had also been wondering that. |
Life is either daring adventure or nothing. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 03:51:16
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Hey, if Mysteries of the Moonsea is a good product, lets support it. If it still has a pretty good amount of "sourcebook material" in it, the format may be interesting and useful. I just don't want to see a complete withdrawal from region sourcebooks of any kind.
Actually, an "adventure sourcebook" in Cormyr, Sembia, and the Dales might be interesting.
Another thought, as long as we are speaking of hypothetical books. Any chance that we might end up getting an "Elves of Faerun" book like "Dragons of Faerun?" It could be used to clear up both the War of the Spider Queen and the Last Mythal loose ends, as well as any changes to Evermeet and Evereska from the events in Evermeet and the ROTAW books.
Then again, I know better to apply a logical solution to a simple problem. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5695 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 07:49:54
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Originally posted by Reefy
I have to say I'm not overly impressed with the news either. At least we got some answers though.
Lord Rad, I had also been wondering that.
Well met
Hmmm, 'tis most odd. It would be the first time that WotC don't follow this trend. I'll see what I can find out... |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 08:54:11
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Actually, an "adventure sourcebook" in Cormyr, Sembia, and the Dales might be interesting.
Another thought, as long as we are speaking of hypothetical books. Any chance that we might end up getting an "Elves of Faerun" book like "Dragons of Faerun?" It could be used to clear up both the War of the Spider Queen and the Last Mythal loose ends, as well as any changes to Evermeet and Evereska from the events in Evermeet and the ROTAW books.
Anyone remember Four from Cormyr? *shudder*
If they were to produce these adventure books WOTC should make sure to really get it right in terms of flavor. Hell, they could revisit some of the good old Volo-guides just for the fun of it.
Elves of Faerűn would indeed be a very nice book, so would be Dwarves of Faerűn. Races scratches only the surface, and ROTAW and Evermeet did bring some important changes, although I pray the part dealing with Evereska will never never never include the über-armor that was shown in some Dragon issue... |
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Eremite
Learned Scribe
Singapore
182 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 18:24:41
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I suppose the main thing is that Rich et al need to be producing products that sell well enough to ensure that we have an FR line in the future.
While I would also like to see more regional sourcebooks (well, Dalelands and the Sword Coast/Western Heartlands), I would rather that decisions were taken to ensure that FR products continue to be published. If that means producing products with crossover potential (such as well-written adventures that aren't tied into a series of novels... unlike City of the Spider Queen), then so be it.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 19:49:00
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We're not dead yet.
From Matt Sernett's bio at the end of this:
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He also contributed work to Tome of Battle, Player's Handbook II, Complete Mage, Complete Scoundrel, and a big project for the Forgotten Realms he can't talk about yet.
EDIT: The notation of Complete Scoundrel and the recent release of February information to Amazon's catalog suggests that's a March 2007 or later release. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 20:40:42
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| Hey! What's wrong with Four from Cormyr? |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well. |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 21:48:14
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| I think a regional adventure book sounds rather refreshing, and can't see why some folks seem so upset about it. I am more exited about the Moonsea book than any other FR book since UA, and can't wait to get started on a Moonsea/Nortern Dalelands campaign. |
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 22:40:56
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| I don't believe the upset is over Mysteries of the Moonsea per se, but that there is no regional sourcebook at all this year and there is no book for the 4th quarter of the year. Trying out new formats is fine and all, but to displace all offers from the traditional format with new, sometimes untried, formats can be unsettling. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 22:54:13
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Bocklin
Hi Dargoth,
You might want to check the "ask the FR designers Thread":
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=9177991
Rich and Eric have given some explanations about the WotC's views on regional source books. Not that the answers would satisfy you, but if you want to chime in, it might have more impact.
Bocklin
no its not and its not inspiring much confidence in the 2007 line up for Realms
Im less than impressed with this comment from Rich
"Doing a lot of regional sourcebooks creates exclusive "silos" for people to park their games in--it's like we're creating sub-settings within the larger setting and telling people that they should play there and ignore other products talking about different places"
Well Mr Baker the solution is STOP Ignoring regions of the Realms and put out MORE Regional source books each year not LESS.
Does anyone else find it a bit ironic that the solution to creating "silos" for characters to park in for their whole careers to the exclusion of other regions is to create a regional sourcebook/adventure path type campaign that goes from level 1-18 in the same region? |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 23:29:03
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| Agreed. And as Dargoth points out, if you have more regional sourcebooks, you have more 'silos' to choose from and move between. |
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BobROE
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 23:40:57
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Originally posted by Snotlord
I think a regional adventure book sounds rather refreshing, and can't see why some folks seem so upset about it. I am more exited about the Moonsea book than any other FR book since UA, and can't wait to get started on a Moonsea/Nortern Dalelands campaign.
I'm not upset just somewhat concerned that the book wont be much use beyond running the adventures presented in the book. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 23:52:34
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I'm still keeping an open mind on this. Even if I don't want to use the adventures, I am hoping it will be useful as a sourcebook, and from what the developers have said so far, it will function in that regard as well. I just find it ironic that they seem to be trying to come up with reasons not to do regional sourcebooks.
In the mean time, I will jump on Mysteries of the Moonsea and Dragons of Faerun, and likely whatever the name of the ever changing adventure is near the end of the year. Perhaps this is just a fluke, and for whatever reason, they just don't have four hardcover FR products that will be able to ship this year. I would rather wait than have them throw together one that may not be of high quality.
Now if we get into next year and start seeing two or one instead of three or four, then I'll start getting worried. |
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Brenigin
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 04:22:24
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Guys, how many campaigns have been built largely on the material in Haunted Halls of Eveningstar, or Halls of the High King? Fast forwarding, in its 32 pages Sons of Gruumsh gives you enough background on Melvaunt to ground a good smaller scope campaign.
I think people are freaking out a bit too soon. The way I see it, we're moving away from the crunch/fluff format of books like Unapproachable East to a kind of fluff-and-crunch in action format - showing, not telling, as it were.
I'm excited about the new format. I've found with some of the regional books - Unapproachable East and Shining South especially - that while I love them, they leave me a bit hollow, like I need something more dynamic from them. |
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Brenigin
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 04:28:36
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I also think books like Champions of Ruin/Valor, Dragons of Faerun, etc are a good way to shift crunch out of the regional books, leaving room for adventure material. I think we'll find that Mysteries of the Moonsea doesn't offer a hell of a lot less region info for its page count than what people are calling the "traditional" regional books.
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 05:17:50
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Bring on the "silo's" I am waiting on Moonsea, the dalelands, Cormyr, and the north/ sword coast regions. until then, I will "park" where I will   My opinion is.. these all just add even more flavor to the great place that many of us call home... at least in our creative minds |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2006 : 00:30:41
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Originally posted by Bocklin
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Why are you not posting this on the WotC Boards? This would make more sense, me thinks.
Done |
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Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5695 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2006 : 20:42:50
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
I just noticed that Promise of the Witchking (paperback) hasn't been announced at all and isn't in the WotC online product catalog
Anyone know anything on this? Surely they will release it in paperback? It's usually a year after the hardcover though so i'm slightly worried.
Well met
I've had it confirmed from the Wizards who dwell on the Coast, that the paperback version of Promise of the Witchking will be released this September  |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 22 May 2006 : 21:48:42
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Hey! What's wrong with Four from Cormyr?
Everything - IMHO it's only useful for wiping your *** (which I also do with those Eber-Whatsit "tomes" ) |
"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 22 May 2006 : 21:56:01
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I'm still keeping an open mind on this. Even if I don't want to use the adventures, I am hoping it will be useful as a sourcebook, and from what the developers have said so far, it will function in that regard as well. I just find it ironic that they seem to be trying to come up with reasons not to do regional sourcebooks.
In the mean time, I will jump on Mysteries of the Moonsea and Dragons of Faerun, and likely whatever the name of the ever changing adventure is near the end of the year. Perhaps this is just a fluke, and for whatever reason, they just don't have four hardcover FR products that will be able to ship this year. I would rather wait than have them throw together one that may not be of high quality.
Now if we get into next year and start seeing two or one instead of three or four, then I'll start getting worried.
I agree with you, Knight. I will certainly purchase these tomes. I have high hopes for both of them, and I am more than intrigued to see if Mysteries of the Moonsea lives up to expectations.
I, for one, have always hoped for a collection of quality "mini-adventures" that I can drop into any campaign if need be. I used to do this with Dungeon adventures, but their quality has dropped dramatically during the last years (They must be quite desperate to publish a D&D module featuring a god of the Cthulhu mythos???). |
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4th Quarter WOTC titles listed: NO REALMS BOOKS!
