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RodOdom
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 26 Feb 2006 : 22:24:43
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Here are some Netheril mages still in present-day Faerun:
Halaster of Undermountain
Shradin Mulophor in Skullport
Larloch the Lich of Warlock's Crypt (on the Sword Coast.)
The leaders of the Shadovar.
What other suriviors of Netheril are still walking around?
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Edited by - RodOdom on 26 Feb 2006 23:41:24
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 26 Feb 2006 : 22:52:26
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Not sure about other survivors, but if I remember a discussion on these boards correctly, there's more pointing to Halaster being an Imaskari than a Netherese survivor. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 26 Feb 2006 : 23:04:12
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Yep, Halaster isn't Netherese. His mate Shradin Mulophor in Skullport might be, though.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Feb 2006 : 23:17:40
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If you look under the Arcanist tab in my Excel file, which is in my Sig or on Candlekeep, it has a few others that might still be around in present day. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 : 00:52:38
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Ed also shared some details about Netherese survivors in his '04 replies IIRC.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 : 01:19:29
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quote: Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Ed also shared some details about Netherese survivors in his '04 replies IIRC.
From Memory the following are still around
The Shades
Larloch and Rhaugilath reside in Warlock keep (See LEOF)
Aumvor the Undying (See CoR)
The High Forest (See sons of Thunder)
The City of Opus/Selunarra is in the Gates of the Moon
Lady Sagarel of Spellgard (See Shadow of the Avatar Trilogy)
Ioulaum and Tabra(See LEOF)
Telbran Nelarn in Waterdeep (See City of Splendors)
Flaming Skulls of Skullport
and theres one in Cormyr (See the Ed files details)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 : 02:38:33
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Answers from Ed, given in the past:
quote: Netherese Survivors in the Modern Realms
NOTE: The following was taken from two separate postings from the Candlekeep.com message boards.
I know of at least a dozen Netherese who are still active in the Realms of today, albeit some of them in greatly changed forms. Hint: a LOT of Netherese bound themselves into magic items (especially swords), to 'live on' telepathically. If your blade seems able to see what's around it without having visible eyes, hear thoughts of nearby creatures, and mend/heal itself in limited ways, it just might contain the sentience of a Netherese.
The pages of ELMINSTER: THE MAKING OF A MAGE and SHADOWS OF DOOM both contain Netherese survivors (one each), and I can reveal here that I know of at least two who reside quietly (pretending to be "just plain folks") in Waterdeep and Suzail, respectively. No, I'm not going to give names, because for a DM it's far more useful to have them as ‘handy tools.'
The Waterdhavian one founded a successful mercantile family now regarded as noble, and then (having prepared for this with covert investments, coin caches, and property purchases) faked his own death, to reappear as a retired merchant, a role he's played several times since. Like Elminster, he meddles covertly in city politics and society, spreading rumors and ‘turning' particular individuals to hold more cosmopolitan world-views (investing in other lands, and taking an interest in folk from those places). He does this because he very much wants to avoid Waterdhavian haughtiness from growing any greater than it is already.
The Suzailan one is a female who firmly believes that Netheril fell because of overweening pride and overarching mastery of magic. She enjoys life in Cormyr (when it isn't imperiled by war, of course), has hidden coins and gold in plenty for her needs, and covertly works to do two things: confuse and confound War Wizard investigations, and to make both War Wizards and others think that there are secret personal dangers involved in too much spellcasting, and in casting specific, over-powerful spells. She is VERY good at keeping hidden, spreading such rumors through the mouths of passing strangers by means of suggestion magics, and never doing anything openly herself. She's no enemy of the Crown; she just doesn't think allowing the War Wizards to reach the status of ‘extremely effective secret police' is a good idea. She's dwelt in Suzail for almost forty years, and knows it will soon be time to "disappear" or be noticed as something other than the well-to- do widow she's pretending to be, but is tarrying because she enjoys the city and its folk so much (she perceives a rising danger in wealthy, ever-restless Sembia of sorcerers and wizards becoming overproud and reckless in their use of magic, but has such a distaste for what she's seen of Sembian society that she just doesn't want to go there, while also seeing that it would be a very good place to take a new face and name).
You can, of course, create many more Netherese, though I'd suggest that they all conceal their origins and that they NOT (or try not) to know of each other, rather than forming any sort of shadowy secret society or power group. That would be why, even for the two examples from my novels, clearly identified Netherese should be very scarce. After all, if Netheril is most remembered as a "land of awesome magic," then anyone identified as Netherese can expect wizards and sorcerers to launch surprise attacks, mind- invasions, and attempts to capture or financially control them, to get all the magic that's "surely" waiting in their minds, or in the case of items, hidden in places they know.
...the Netherese survivors won't get along at all well with the people of Shade. In fact, I'd venture to say that ALL surviving Netherese in Faerûn would be wary at best, and actively hostile at worst, to the new "arrivals."
"Hiding from and otherwise ignoring" would probably be their initial reaction, and they'll quite rightly see attempts by the folk of Shade to find them as attempts to snatch their power. If that happens just once, word will get around, and the folk of Shade will then discover they've bitten off a lot more than they can ever hope to chew.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 : 05:34:52
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Hmmm I wonder if the Female in Cormyr might be a member of the Cultists of the Shattered Peaks.... Her Philosphy sounds alot like theres. I also wonder what she was doing when Shade was rebuilding Arabel..... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 : 16:24:54
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That's a distinct possibility.
Cultist cells are said to operate in the Heartlands and given the fact that the Netherese Female Ed describes above... about confusing and confound the War Wizards... this may be her discreet attempts to prevent the War Wizards from happening upon details pertaining to Netherese ruins.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 00:38:33
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Where are the Cultists detailed? Lost Empires of Faerun?
Has Ed made any connection about the possibility of some of the surviving Netherese perhaps being members of the Cultists?
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 00:44:12
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quote: Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Where are the Cultists detailed? Lost Empires of Faerun?
Yes; pages 10-13.
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Has Ed made any connection about the possibility of some of the surviving Netherese perhaps being members of the Cultists?
Not that I know of. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 01:17:49
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quote: Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Has Ed made any connection about the possibility of some of the surviving Netherese perhaps being members of the Cultists?
I don't believe anyone has asked him... His quotes on the surviving Netherese date back at least a year before LEoF. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 01:26:36
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Most Netherese would hide from the Cultists, too. I ventured this opinion to Ed, and he agreed. And said certain Netherese might try to manipulate Cultists by feeding them information, both true and false. Out of whim, out of decaying sanity,and to see if they could be forged into some sort of weapon or outreach organization (witting or unwitting). The scary thing is, Ed CHUCKLES a lot whenever I mention Netherese. As if he's got more up his sleeves than just his arms . . . love, THO |
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Volo
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 01:26:44
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The scary thing is that I read the description of the Waterdhavian mage, and I can't seem to clear away the thought that it might be Mirt.... |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 01:28:50
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Chuckle. Chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle. love, THO |
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Volo
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 01:40:02
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Uh oh. THO is laughing her evil laugh. This is NOT good.... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 04:36:38
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quote: Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote: Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Has Ed made any connection about the possibility of some of the surviving Netherese perhaps being members of the Cultists?
I don't believe anyone has asked him... His quotes on the surviving Netherese date back at least a year before LEoF.
Indeed.
In fact the reply from Ed you quoted above Wooly was from Feb '04.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 04:39:54
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quote: Originally posted by The Hooded One
Most Netherese would hide from the Cultists, too. I ventured this opinion to Ed, and he agreed. And said certain Netherese might try to manipulate Cultists by feeding them information, both true and false. Out of whim, out of decaying sanity,and to see if they could be forged into some sort of weapon or outreach organization (witting or unwitting). The scary thing is, Ed CHUCKLES a lot whenever I mention Netherese. As if he's got more up his sleeves than just his arms . . . love, THO
That's rather interesting... kind of a "manipulators having their own strings manipulated" and so forth.
So that, when treasure hunters or loremasters come across potential details about Netherese ruins... not only are they reading lore that has been tinkered with by Cultists, but by what disinformation surviving Netherese have fed the Cultists about these ruins.
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tauster
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 16:19:16
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just to toss another idea around (completely non-canon, mind you): I came up with a trio of npc's, one already introduced to my players, two soon to be revealed. all three are vampires: very much anne rice-style (evil tongues might call the older two "cheap copies of marius and pandora, just with netheril replacing the roman empire"). both are in khelbens or elminsters league: not in actual power but by using the same "meddling and manipulating" style, working on longterm goals and mostly through third parties. needless to say that although they are the least "visible" npc's to my players, both belong to my favourite characters.
...and to toss another idea around (though this one unrelated to all things netherese): the third (younger) one is a member of cormyr's noble family (Bleth), living in (pre-destruction) tilverton. she was made a vampire by marius a few centuries ago, when she fell deeply, utterly, completely, madly in love with him - and was made immortal by the elder vampire in a fit of... well, vigorous lovemaking.
afterwards, marius regretted what he did to the lass, but (un-)naturally, it was too late. and while the beautiful aristocrat still loved him deeply, marius' heart belonged to his mate pandora. it broke jessica's (today, I would clearly chose another, more realmsian name! ) heart when he confessed that to her, and while introducing her to the art of living unrecognised among mortals, it turned out that young miss bleth was no ordinary vampire: she could live on blood, and she felt the usual "flush" while feasting, but she abhorred the act. instead, she thrived on love: at least once every tenday, she needs someone new to fall in love with her.
...which is a problem in several ways, the most prominent one being the inevitable crowd of broken-hearted lovers in her wake. she came up with a certain modus operandi: living in a larger city with lots of "transit traffic" and chosing her lovers mostly from travellers (merchants, caravaners, etc). today (1370/71 DR), she lives in tilverton, posing as the owner of a small trading house aligned to the Bleth family.
i found that inspiratin in van richtens guide to vampires, where alternatives to blood were discussed. i read "the vampire armand" a short time ago and had the idea of a good-aligned vampiric character back in my mind ever since. ...so it was a small step to creating this, ...well... vamp. to this day, three pc's have become her victims: a doomguide of kelemvor who fell in love with her without knowing that she was undead, and had very hard pangs of remorse when she revealed it to him - after saving his live against another vampire, shortly afterwards his "squire" (a young aspiring paladin of kelemvor, whose father was killed by said vampire and who to this day doesn't suspect her being a vampire) and a good aligned necromancer, who hates undead but repeatedly meets good aligned ones who challenge his moralities... |
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Acolyte
Germany
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 16:39:28
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Well met!
Another one who is still around would be Arthindol the Terraseer. Though he is a sarrukh, I remember him being called (netherese) arcanist. At the very least he was avidly involved with the Netherese and his current whereabouts and his doings in the past are to be found in the Netheril-section of LEoF. That was reason enough for me to put him here.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 16:45:23
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Tabra, apprentice of Ioulaum that "hides" in Bargewright Inn in the North. (See Volo's guide to the North)
Ooops.. someone already mentioned her. |
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Acolyte
Germany
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 18:04:15
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No, actually she was captured by our most beloved Shadovar ! |
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nbnmare
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Mar 2006 : 13:46:38
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A couple more to add to the list:
The Night Parade are descendants of Netherese arcanists who emigrated to the Demiplane of Nightmares in -618 DR.
Similarly, the Maulagrym are descendants of a Netherese wizard, Maulag, who moved to the Plane of Shadow to study it (presumably along with several assistants, apprentices and servants). I'm not sure of the year, but it was some time before the Fall of Netheril.
In both instances, original members of the groups could yet survive... |
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silvermage
Seeker
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Posted - 15 Mar 2006 : 04:12:34
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quote: Originally posted by nbnmare
A couple more to add to the list:
The Night Parade are descendants of Netherese arcanists who emigrated to the Demiplane of Nightmares in -618 DR.
Similarly, the Maulagrym are descendants of a Netherese wizard, Maulag, who moved to the Plane of Shadow to study it (presumably along with several assistants, apprentices and servants). I'm not sure of the year, but it was some time before the Fall of Netheril.
In both instances, original members of the groups could yet survive...
The Night Parade are present in massive numbers but their reproduction is their weakness as they are reliant on something called the "apparatus". They certainly remind me of PS2: The Thing.
If Malaug and his party migrated into the POS some years before the Fall of Netheril, similarly, the Shadovar also migrated into the POS at that time. If both groups stayed in the POS for a very long time, how came that they are so different with the Shades looking near-human without shape-shift abilities while Malaug and his children looked so distorted?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 15 Mar 2006 : 04:19:49
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quote: Originally posted by silvermage
If Malaug and his party migrated into the POS some years before the Fall of Netheril, similarly, the Shadovar also migrated into the POS at that time. If both groups stayed in the POS for a very long time, how came that they are so different with the Shades looking near-human without shape-shift abilities while Malaug and his children looked so distorted?
I'd say it's because the two groups used really different methods to adapt to life in the Plane of Shadows. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 18:02:49
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quote: Originally posted by At your Behest
No, actually she was captured by our most beloved Shadovar !
When and how did that happen? |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 18:35:11
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It's mentioned in Lost Empires of Faerûn, if my memory serves me correctly for once. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 18:37:56
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quote: Originally posted by Kajehase
It's mentioned in Lost Empires of Faerûn, if my memory serves me correctly for once.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 18:48:22
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And no details are given. |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2006 : 00:22:09
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I was reading about Aumvor the Undying in the 2E Lords of Darkness book, and I would like to know more about him. CoR stands for ... ? Where is Opus nowadays? That was the domain of Chever the Penguin Arcanist, pushed into another plan by Selune at the same time Shar shoved Shade into Hell. Opus would be chock full o' Netherese Arcanists, too.
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