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Na-Gang
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04 Aug 2006 : 13:08:59
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Na-Gang
Ummm... during the ToT I'm sure in previous canon references (notably the intro to the novel The Alabaster Staff) that Tiamat slew Gilgeam, not the other way around as stated in that DoF excerpt from the Wizards site. Like, huh?
Otherwise, yay! Tchazzar's back! The player of the Chessentan cleric in my campaign is going to be a little concerned.
Gilgream and Tiamat had 2 goes at each other in the first round during the time of troubles Gilgream won and Tiamats divinity was split up amongst 3 dragons however when the Time of Troubles ended and AO introduced his "You are only as powerful as the number of worshipers you have" rule Gilgream took hit in divine rank and Tiamat came back and killed him
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2006 : 19:30:25
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
So, no comments on the Dragonfall War and whether or not I succeeded in weaving into Realms history?
This section is awesome! 
I think you have crafted a seemless explanation for the Dragonfall War. I love the whole history. Wish there was even more of it.
I also love how you have canonized Tom Costa's idea that Marduk was an aspect of Bahamut and have more firmly intertwined him with the Untheric gods in opposition to Tiamat.
I am also fond of the Tearfall origin of dragons from eggs that fell in a meteor shower. While I understand the origin is not definitive, I like how it strengthens the case for it while keeping with alternate explanations mentioned in the original Draconomicon.
Was also great to see what happened with Lareth.
I will probably be picking up on little things from this chapter for a long time to come. |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 00:19:26
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
[quote]Grayson Richardson gets a bit of credit for that idea. I liked his "drop to paragon/archvillain / bump back up to deity" explanation from the WotC boards a while back.
--Eric
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 01:27:37
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Part of the Roll call of Dragons has been posted in August and beyond
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20060804a
Edit: Sweet mother of Samaster Eric! I love the Pic of your 2 Black Friends from Eye of Mykrul! |
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
266 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 04:07:56
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Krashos, CR 14, Living, Male Adult Blue, Ched Nasad, North Underdark. Is he named after who I think he's named after?  |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 04:12:26
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Originally posted by Archwizard
Krashos, CR 14, Living, Male Adult Blue, Ched Nasad, North Underdark. Is he named after who I think he's named after?
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6662 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 05:18:58
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Originally posted by Archwizard
Krashos, CR 14, Living, Male Adult Blue, Ched Nasad, North Underdark. Is he named after who I think he's named after?
Yep, named after Albert Schweitzer. A wonderful human being.
-- George Krashos (no relation - to Albert Schweitzer)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 06:05:17
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Originally posted by Archwizard
Krashos, CR 14, Living, Male Adult Blue, Ched Nasad, North Underdark. Is he named after who I think he's named after?
Indeed, he is.
You can thank Eric.  (The original reference for Krashos was in Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark)
I like the fact that George exists as a blue dragon of the Morueme clan, currently sifting his way through the ruins of what remains of Ched Nasad...
I want to run an adventure there some day. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 06:38:49
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"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 08:09:30
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 08:10:25
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Originally posted by GothicDan
Will Krashos be slain? *gasp*
Not by my hand. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 08:48:10
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I hope Old Sage feels the same.
Though it would be really rather amusing to come onto these boards and say, "I slew Krashos!" |
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"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31727 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 09:37:16
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Originally posted by GothicDan
I hope Old Sage feels the same.
I hope he does too.
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Though it would be really rather amusing to come onto these boards and say, "I slew Krashos!"
It'd make a great sig on any FR message board. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36798 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 14:29:56
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Archwizard
Krashos, CR 14, Living, Male Adult Blue, Ched Nasad, North Underdark. Is he named after who I think he's named after?
Yep, named after Albert Schweitzer. A wonderful human being.
-- George Krashos (no relation - to Albert Schweitzer)
 I was trying to come up with something like that, but I couldn't think of anything funny enough. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36798 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 14:32:19
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
I'm quite pleased that the section of the list in this preview includes Moraughaloth and Kastrandrethilian. The former is a notorious copper dragon prankster. The latter is a philosophical silver dragon paladin. These were two of a small number of references in the book that were inspired by my home FR campaigns.
That's cool... Other than Ed's stuff (of course!), I wonder how much other home campaign stuff designers have slipped into the Realms... I know Gamalon Idogyr was, as I recall, Steven Schend's first PC, but that's the only reference I know of, off the top of my head. |
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EvilKnight
Learned Scribe
USA
162 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 14:51:57
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Well darn. I was all set up for Krashoes to be an old copper wyrm.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6662 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 22:38:38
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I think all designers draw on the familiar for their work. I know that in terms of names, I've snatched some from a MUD I patronise, and also used anagrams of people I know. I think it's excellent that Eytan used stuff from his home cmapaign. It's the only way that the Realms as a shared world will grow and prosper - and it helps that Eytan is a darn good designer. His dragon names, for example, are seamlesly Realmsian. Top job!
-- George Krashos
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 23:29:23
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| Some stuff from Paul Jaquays's campaign is in FR5 The Savage Frontier and DQ1 The Shattered Statue. Some of Jeff Grubb's contributions may be from his campaign. Maybe Tim Beach's in the Pages from the Mages compilation. Bob Salvatore's in The Accursed Tower, I think. |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 01:02:42
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I just picked up my copy of Dragon's of Faerun and from my first scim through it looks like a great addition to the collection. I'm certainly glad the Steel Dragon has finally been statted.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 03:31:12
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Originally posted by GothicDan
I hope Old Sage feels the same.
Though it would be really rather amusing to come onto these boards and say, "I slew Krashos!"
How about "I coupled with Krashos"?
That'd be kewl! |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 04:10:32
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If you were playing a blue dragon, I suppose that would make sense.
Or if Krashos took another form.
The lech! |
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"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 05:40:38
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Originally posted by GothicDan
If you were playing a blue dragon, I suppose that would make sense.
Or if Krashos took another form.
Exactly. I'm sure there's plenty of...him...to go around, even if one isn't a dragon. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 06:17:57
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Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 06:42:01
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by GothicDan
If you were playing a blue dragon, I suppose that would make sense.
Or if Krashos took another form.
Exactly. I'm sure there's plenty of...him...to go around, even if one isn't a dragon.
Ahem... doesn't this belong in the "Sex in the Realms" thread. :) |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 06:42:33
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Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
I just picked up my copy of Dragon's of Faerun and from my first scim through it looks like a great addition to the collection. I'm certainly glad the Steel Dragon has finally been statted.
I'm glad to see it's available in some places. Now I can stop biting my tongue. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 06:44:00
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I think all designers draw on the familiar for their work. I know that in terms of names, I've snatched some from a MUD I patronise, and also used anagrams of people I know. I think it's excellent that Eytan used stuff from his home cmapaign. It's the only way that the Realms as a shared world will grow and prosper - and it helps that Eytan is a darn good designer. His dragon names, for example, are seamlesly Realmsian. Top job!
-- George Krashos
That's really nice of you to say George. I guess it helps that I spent the last three years reading (or re-reading) basically the entire FR novel list. That's a good way to get your mind thinking in the Realms. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 12:30:18
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
I'm quite pleased that the section of the list in this preview includes Moraughaloth and Kastrandrethilian. The former is a notorious copper dragon prankster. The latter is a philosophical silver dragon paladin. These were two of a small number of references in the book that were inspired by my home FR campaigns.
That's cool... Other than Ed's stuff (of course!), I wonder how much other home campaign stuff designers have slipped into the Realms... I know Gamalon Idogyr was, as I recall, Steven Schend's first PC, but that's the only reference I know of, off the top of my head.
I seem to recall that the term Abeir-Toril came from Jeff Grubb's home campaign. |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 12:52:15
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Originally posted by Kajehase
I seem to recall that the term Abeir-Toril came from Jeff Grubb's home campaign.
So did Waukeen, if I remember correctly. A great addition to the realms. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 14:15:36
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
I'm quite pleased that the section of the list in this preview includes Moraughaloth and Kastrandrethilian. The former is a notorious copper dragon prankster. The latter is a philosophical silver dragon paladin. These were two of a small number of references in the book that were inspired by my home FR campaigns.
That's cool... Other than Ed's stuff (of course!), I wonder how much other home campaign stuff designers have slipped into the Realms... I know Gamalon Idogyr was, as I recall, Steven Schend's first PC, but that's the only reference I know of, off the top of my head.
And Erlkazar (or at least the bones of it) was my original Realms campaign from the late 80s, and most of my notes became that 3rd book in Lands of Intrigue.
I hope more books are as lore-laden as DoF in the future. Good trend, that, as the gods know we don't need more feats or prestige classes. 
SES
who again lauds Eric and Eytan on a job well done |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 16:30:25
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
I'm quite pleased that the section of the list in this preview includes Moraughaloth and Kastrandrethilian. The former is a notorious copper dragon prankster. The latter is a philosophical silver dragon paladin. These were two of a small number of references in the book that were inspired by my home FR campaigns.
That's cool... Other than Ed's stuff (of course!), I wonder how much other home campaign stuff designers have slipped into the Realms... I know Gamalon Idogyr was, as I recall, Steven Schend's first PC, but that's the only reference I know of, off the top of my head.
And Erlkazar (or at least the bones of it) was my original Realms campaign from the late 80s, and most of my notes became that 3rd book in Lands of Intrigue.
And, as I recall, the undersea realms in Sea of Fallen Stars were your baby as well.
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I hope more books are as lore-laden as DoF in the future. Good trend, that, as the gods know we don't need more feats or prestige classes.
That's good to hear.
Let's hope the trend gains enough support to continue into the future. |
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