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I can't stand the Planar Dragons, which are now in the Realms(actually as of Rage, Rite, & Ruin), because I don't see them as anything worth admiring. They seem like designers of the Draconomicon needed to fill out the book and felt obligated to include dragons that applied to the outer planes, even though it didn't make sense that there happened to be one type of dragon tailor-made for each outer plane, no more, no less. It just doesn't seem realistic, and definately doesn't seem necessary considering all the dragon-types we already had.

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Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim

Does this include any information about Ylveraasahlisar the Rose Dragon (history wise), or can anyone tell me where I can find more information regarding this dragon? The FRCS only mentions that he ruled Calimshan from -1838 to -1726.

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Originally posted by Na-Gang

While we're at it, could anyone tell me if there's much information on the actions of Gargauth which led to the Dracorage of 1018 that levelled Peleveran in the Shaar?

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While we're at it, could anyone tell me if there's much information on the actions of Gargauth which led to the Dracorage of 1018 that levelled Peleveran in the Shaar?

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Cult of the Dragon [2e]. http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/FR_Downloads/download.asp?id=tsr9547

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Originally posted by GothicDan

Steve... Why don't YOU write us some lore-laden supplements? ;) Eh, eh? *nudge nudge*

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Answer 1: Because WotC hasn't asked me to do so.

Answer 2: I'd rather write novels, thanks.

Steven
Who's fairly certain he can pack at least 70% as much lore into a novel as he could into a supplement

PS: Thanks for the support on answer 2, Sage.

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Originally posted by Mentalist

...This may seem juvenile and a little backwards, but what I was really looking forward to was artwork for the Mist and Steel Dragons. We still don't have any 3E artwork(that I know) to go for either of these dragons, and considering that 16 other pieces of artwork depicted types of dragons that we already have plenty of artwork for, I really expected there to be at least one piece for these. I know I'm probably alone on this, but art really helps me visualize, and I can't really feel comfortable with a mental image with nothing to go on but text. What also would have been nice is more or different art for the one depicted gem dragon, as the art in the MM2 is not quite so detailed and not very realistic, and the depiction of the crystal dragon in DoF in not really any better, it's still kind of obscure, so it's still hard to visualize.

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Originally posted by Faraer

It would be interesting to know why the Dragonfall War has been integrated into the Realms.

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Originally posted by Bakra

My best guess: Bahamut & Tiamat have always been at each others throats.

This is my guess, I have not have a chance to read the book yet and I don't even own the MMIV.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

Calimport accessory. Available for free download. Wooly will be along directly to show you where.

-- George Krashos

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Originally posted by Steven Schend

Answer 1: Because WotC hasn't asked me to do so.

Answer 2: I'd rather write novels, thanks.

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Steven
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Calimport accessory. Available for free download. Wooly will be along directly to show you where.

-- George Krashos

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I can't stand the Planar Dragons, which are now in the Realms(actually as of Rage, Rite, & Ruin), because I don't see them as anything worth admiring. They seem like designers of the Draconomicon needed to fill out the book and felt obligated to include dragons that applied to the outer planes, even though it didn't make sense that there happened to be one type of dragon tailor-made for each outer plane, no more, no less. It just doesn't seem realistic, and definately doesn't seem necessary considering all the dragon-types we already had.

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Something I've pointed out before is that the two most common types of critters in D&D are dragons or things related to dragons, and undead. I know it's Dungeons & Dragons, but I still wish monster creators would branch out a bit more.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

Eric originally wrote up the Confluence for inclusion in "City of Splendors: Waterdeep" but it didn't make the editorial cut. Fortuitously, he was asked to contribute to DoF and so it reared its draconic head once again.

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Oh, and there is no such thing as a reference being "too obscure".

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Originally posted by Mentalist

There is almost nothing on him. He has an entry in the appendix, that says his domain is of course in Cormanthor, and he is a unique red/blue wyrm. Now that you mention him, much to my surprise, it says that he is living.

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Garnet was a wholly unique creature unlike any to exist before or since. He was a chimera of dracoforms, and the only reason he was red in color and blue in shape was this: Saeval Ammath had many secrets never revealed to elves outside of his clan, and often only to a few select members of his immediate family. Saeval's grandfather--an exiled elf who was born outside of Cormtanthor and never trod its paths--was a half-dragon, born of a silver dragon mother. He was a great tracker and wizard of Ardeep (Sure hope I'm getting my dates/names right, but I'm winging it here from half-remembered notes that don't survive; George and Eric can correct me before this thread closes. ) and patriarch of a loyal and good branch of the Ammath clan in those western woods.

Saeval came to Myth Drannor to learn more magics but also to cure a great sorrow of his own--the silver dragon (long publicly a family friend but in truth his own great-grandmother) had died protecting him and others from battle-maddened Hlondathan mages scavenging for any magics they could find (and they also took their trade caravan to be smuggling weapons and magic to the Cormanthan elves, their enemies in the Crown and Scepter Wars). Saeval preserved the dragon's soul in a brand-new kiira, and spent the next 50 years or so trying to find a way to restore her to life. He studied under many of the great wizards of Myth Drannor and COrmanthor of all races and he wandered far and wide (rumor has it he venture far onto the Great Glacier and as far south as Chondath).

When he found a blue dragon's egg in his wanderings, he magically kept it from hatching or developing, and he spent a decade of casting to alter its form into something powerful enough to house the silver dragon's soul. While he managed to match the power of the red dragons inside the form of the blue dragon and make other changes to allow for the magical transfer, he either could not or did not change the dragon's gender within its shell.

When the egg finally hatched in 348, Garnet was unique. Physically, he had to relearn everything to adapt to this new form, but mentally, (s)he had all the knowledge of her previous life. Thus, even at hatchling stage, he had access to the special abilities of a very old silver dragon (except polymorph self, as the magics used to create his new form locked him into one shape; and damage reduction, which is a function of the physical body, not the mind).

Thus, even while Garnet is now physically a wyrm, (s)he's gone into epic levels for certain special abilities. Assuming, of course, that he still exists...

Hope this explains why Garnet isn't either evil or the start of a whole new race of dragons. While one could postulate that he could mate with either reds or blues and have offspring of that hue/form, it's far more sensible (given the origin and attendant problems) to state that Garnet, while healthy in all ways, was born sterile.

Whew.... Geez, Wooly....simple email and I expected it'd be a short response, but nooo.....

Hope these answers suit folks; if not, then they're just the ramblings and wild ideas of a fellow fan (which they are, in truth, as I've no official standing with this stuff other than to say what I meant / planned when I wrote this stuff 8 years ago).

Steven

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As far as I'm concerned, Garnet's still out there somewhere....seeking atonement and penance for his unwitting role in Myth Drannor's Fall. He's still relatively young for a dragon, and he's definitely a wild card in every sense of the word (in terms of power, attitude, and form). By all means, work him into your campaigns!

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