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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
 Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 03:16:06
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Originally posted by Silverwulf
I found this story to be great.Fox-at-Twilight is a interesting character.
Thank you! I'm glad you did.
If Twilight was your favorite thing about it, you might consider Depths of Madness--a novel that features her.
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I also liked her outfit.
Heh--yeah.
Wait. Which? Do you mean the swashbuckler outfit . . . or the clad-only-in-tattoos-and-midnight-black-hair outfit? 'Cuz I kinda like both. 
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 04:10:22
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Wait. Which? Do you mean the swashbuckler outfit . . . or the clad-only-in-tattoos-and-midnight-black-hair outfit? 'Cuz I kinda like both.
Cheers
do you have to ask? |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 08:54:59
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Gæð a wyrd swa hio scel!
In memory of Alura Durshavin.
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J D Dunsany
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 09:06:06
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Working my way slowly (in a 'savouring every moment' kind of way) through this anthology and have just finished "The Greater Treasure".
I guess I'm becoming a fan of Erik Scott de Bie's writing, as I really enjoyed 'Ghostwalker' and this is no different. The author's skill in taking what is, after all, a fairly slight plot (I'd describe it as a fairly solid, if unremarkable, quest narrative, complete with such staple fantasy elements as beautiful thieves and demon-worshipping cultists) and turning it into a memorable story chiefly lies in his immense skill in characterisation. I'll get onto Fox-at-Twilight in a minute, but let's start with Cythara and Yldar, the main sun elf protagonists. I think Erik does a fantastic job with this brother-sister pairing - both of them so stuck-up and haughty, with Cythara possessing a liberal stripe of cruelty that leads to her downfall later on. Yldar is more likeable, and Erik does a great job of showing us his naivety and, for all his martial prowess, he still manages to come across as something of a fish out of water in the world of humans. Cool. Of course, it isn't long before he finds his loyalties torn between his sister and Fox and this forms the main point of interest of the story.
Well, that and just Fox herself. Who is a magnificent creation. Possessed of a confidence that oozes like liquid gold from the page, is it any wonder that Yldar succumbs to her eminent charms? Once again, the writer's skill in teasing the reader with her sheer physicality (terribly tactile for an elf  ) is impressive. Would definitely like to read more about her. (Funnily enough...)
One final point, in an anthology that has already featured a standard fantasy lecherous demon, Erik shows how to do it properly - pages 183-185 are brilliant, in turns disturbing and provocative. And utterly compelling.
Hurrah, I say! A fantastic story!
Best!
JDD |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 15:20:20
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Originally posted by J D Dunsany
Working my way slowly (in a 'savouring every moment' kind of way) through this anthology and have just finished "The Greater Treasure". [snip]
Wow, thank you very much! I appreciate the kind words, and I'm glad you enjoy the story!
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Well, that and just Fox herself. Who is a magnificent creation.
Glad you approve! 
As noted earlier in the thread, Fox appears again in my novel Depths of Madness. A rather darker role (in a very dark novel), but a certain amount of her sensuality and pluck is still there--can't be divorced from her character, after all. Which is central to the story.
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Once again, the writer's skill in teasing the reader with her sheer physicality (terribly tactile for an elf ) is impressive.
That's an interesting aspect of her character, isn't it? I purposefully made her very tactile and "grounded in sensuality" for more reasons than that she's just so darn hot. It's more a matter of her own considerable trust and intimacy issues.
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Would definitely like to read more about her. (Funnily enough...)
Funny--I would definitely like to write more about her! 
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One final point, in an anthology that has already featured a standard fantasy lecherous demon, Erik shows how to do it properly - pages 183-185 are brilliant, in turns disturbing and provocative. And utterly compelling.
That was one of my favorite scenes to write ever.
(And if you like that, you should see the unedited, NC-17 version. Ahem!)
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 01:37:46
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Originally posted by J D Dunsany
One final point, in an anthology that has already featured a standard fantasy lecherous demon, Erik shows how to do it properly - pages 183-185 are brilliant, in turns disturbing and provocative. And utterly compelling.
Indeed, that was probably my own favorite part of the story.
It helps that Graz'zt is also strangely sexy--just look at how he's portrayed in Dragon magazine! He looks delicious even as Iggwilv is binding him up in some ritual (see the final issue). |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 15:35:19
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
It helps that Graz'zt is also strangely sexy--just look at how he's portrayed in Dragon magazine! He looks delicious even as Iggwilv is binding him up in some ritual (see the final issue).
[Hiding six fingered hands behind his back.]
Hmm, yes, my dear Lyrna. I daresay you've a point . . .
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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J D Dunsany
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 16:56:11
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by J D Dunsany
One final point, in an anthology that has already featured a standard fantasy lecherous demon, Erik shows how to do it properly - pages 183-185 are brilliant, in turns disturbing and provocative. And utterly compelling.
Indeed, that was probably my own favorite part of the story.
It helps that Graz'zt is also strangely sexy--just look at how he's portrayed in Dragon magazine! He looks delicious even as Iggwilv is binding him up in some ritual (see the final issue).
Yes... there's certainly something...
"... his face; it was beautiful, in the way that a perfect murder is beautiful, with strong, angular features like an elflord's might be..."
Nicely put.
And, dear Lord, but Cythara's a virgin too!!!! 
(I mean a demon lord (complete with "ebony muscular chest") for your first time! Crikey!)
Aaaaanyway, probably thinking a bit too much about this here thing here...
Better move on to something else, methinks. Before I start quoting the bit where Graz'zt brands Cythara and that would necessitate the use of the word "buttocks" which, I think we can all agree, we could well do without. (Well, obviously, you need them for sitting down and suchlike, don't you? But... erm...)
Ahem.
Lovely weather we've been having lately, isn't it?
Oh, look! Some marking I haven't done yet.
See you all later!
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 18:36:31
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Indeed, having a demon for your first time is a scary prospect.
*grins* Graz'zt would be perfect if he wasn't so...well, evil. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 18:56:58
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Originally posted by J D Dunsany
And, dear Lord, but Cythara's a virgin too!!!!
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Indeed, having a demon for your first time is a scary prospect.
Hmm. You know, now I'm not sure if I actually said one way or the other, but she certainly gives off this "virgin" vibe, huh?
Well, gave, anyway.
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Oh, look! Some marking I haven't done yet.
Hmm . . . [cracks twelve sets of knuckles] Some marking I haven't done yet, either.
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*grins* Graz'zt would be perfect if he wasn't so...well, evil.
Ahem -- cue Jack Sparrow impression:
"One word, luv -- curiosity."
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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J D Dunsany
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 18:59:56
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Ahem.
Erik, know thy own work better...
"Her mind roiled in horror even as her body twitched with desire - Cythara who had never known a lover, nor considered one." (p. 184)
Yup. I'd say that was her first time, alright... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 19:23:44
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Originally posted by J D Dunsany
Ahem.
Erik, know thy own work better...
"Her mind roiled in horror even as her body twitched with desire - Cythara who had never known a lover, nor considered one." (p. 184)
Yup. I'd say that was her first time, alright...
Well, you could interpret that to mean that she had sex with random strangers...  |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 19:57:32
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Originally posted by J D Dunsany
"Her mind roiled in horror even as her body twitched with desire - Cythara who had never known a lover, nor considered one." (p. 184)
Ah yes! Well, I'm glad that line got in. As you can see, that was certainly my intention.
The whole scene was certainly one of my finest writing moments, in my own mind. I'm very proud of my demon-prince/elf-chick branding/sex scene (though it just sounds naughty when you put it that way ).
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, you could interpret that to mean that she had sex with random strangers...
You mean like the *other* elf-girl in the story?
Cheers
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
1078 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 05:20:03
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Hey Erik, what are you going to do when they kill off Erevan Ilesere in the new crappy 4ED (which I hope fails miserably)?
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 15:47:42
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
Hey Erik, what are you going to do when they kill off Erevan Ilesere in the new crappy 4ED (which I hope fails miserably)?
Well, for one, I haven't yet seen any evidence that they will kill off Erevan.
That said, if they *did* kill off Erevan, I would just roll with it. Not a problem. Gods have died before and left worshippers in the lurch. Twilight would be both grieved and gladdened by the passing of a deity who has seemingly caused her such trouble in her past.
And two, I rather don't share your hope that it fails miserably or the belief that it is "crappy."
I rather think it will turn out all right and, mayhap, even better on the other side. Because if it fails miserably, bye-bye setting, and then we all lose.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
1078 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 07:52:38
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Sorry to say, but it already has failed among so many fans without even being released yet, due to overly drastic (even for FR) change of events and standard history since 1ED through 3.5ED Heck, 3ED & 3.5ED are only like 6 or 7 years old. ~sigh~ (excludes very long and cynical rant with a roll of the eyes)
As for Erevan Ilesere and other "not so frequently used" or "overlapping" deities, it is widely known and talked about on the FR boards, how WoTc is committing a mass deicide on all pantheons in FR.
Obviously I don't want them to kill off Erevan as he is my all time favorite deity in any game setting, but it seems as if it has a good chance of happening, considering they already released the death of so many other FR gods and goddess. Brightaxe, the female dwarven sword goddess is dead along with a plethora of others.
I just hope Erevan stays for the sake of me, Fox and my enjoyment of her suffering duality between love and hate for the Fey Trickster. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 15:59:36
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This really isn't the proper place to discuss the impending 4e changes, which may or may not kill off such-and-such deities, etc., etc. Regardless of the speculation you may have read, no one outside the company knows who and what they're pruning . . . mostly because WotC hasn't even decided the full extent of the changes yet! They just have general plans, and yes, a pruning/scaling back of the wide and confusing pantheon seems to be one of them.
The 4e changes are a sensitive topic--for me and you and everyone on the boards--and I'd humbly submit a plea that we not clutter up discussion of "The Greater Treasure" (which is very much a 3/3.5e story) with speculations and what could become a very passionate debate. If you want to engage me in discussion of the changes that may or may not happen in 4e, ask me on my Chamber of Sages scroll.
Regarding the changes' effect on Twilight, Erevan, et al, let me state this perfectly clearly and categorically, for the record: If Twilight reappears in the future (and as an elf with a potential lifespan of several centuries, timeline jumps, however long or short, are not so much a problem for her) she will be just as awesome, just as sexy, and--if I have anything to say about it--better than ever.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
1078 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 18:02:03
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Akeri Rualuavain
Seeker
Canada
99 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2007 : 23:34:09
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| I'm just starting the "Realms of the Elves" book. I'm on that sotry presently. It is really great. I just wish i could write hlaf as good as all those stories ! |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 18 Nov 2007 : 16:37:39
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Indeed, that was probably my own favorite part of the story.
It helps that Graz'zt is also strangely sexy--just look at how he's portrayed in Dragon magazine! He looks delicious even as Iggwilv is binding him up in some ritual (see the final issue).
Yeah, I know. I'm a month late, but the picture Rinonalyrna mentioned can be found here. (Click this link for the whole Andrew Hou gallery. |
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Akeri Rualuavain
Seeker
Canada
99 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2007 : 02:49:16
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I've just finished that story. It's so great. The end is sad, but like a lot of things in life... It not always an happy ending... And the character have a real depth, they are true in their ways... Each of them. The light caracter is so elvenly human ! The elf splandor with the passion and strengh of a more human heart.
And cithara... So elvish, but in the end she is the one that mecame the more "humanly" bad... the one that betrayed them all for the power. So typicly noble in her way.
Poor Ydler, came to love but have to lost it to stay true to him-self, just as the other came to make their choices. I really like it. |
Sorry for my bad English, I'm french born
The courage to follow our dreams is the first step to achieve our destiny
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2007 : 19:35:43
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Why, I'm glad you enjoyed, Akeri, and thank you for the kind words! I think you hit the kobold on the head with all of your points. :)
Merci beaucoup!
Cheers
P.S. If you want to see *more* of Twilight (along with her "passionate" or, as one might say, "tempestuous" heart, you might check out my most recent Realms novel, Depths of Madness, in which she is the star.) |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Akeri Rualuavain
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 19 Nov 2007 : 19:47:16
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Shure, as soon as I can get a hold on one english version... To few book are translated in french, plus I always prefere the originals versions. I'm gonna come back with my impressions. But you are really a great author !
Cheers
p.s. Thanks for the French words !!!
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2007 : 00:25:54
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Originally posted by Akeri Rualuavain
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And cithara... So elvish, but in the end she is the one that mecame the more "humanly" bad... the one that betrayed them all for the power. So typicly noble in her way.
Well, I don't think being "bad" must be more human than elvish (seriously). Although maybe I didn't understand you right? |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Akeri Rualuavain
Seeker
Canada
99 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2007 : 00:57:17
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| I just mean that normaly elf are typicaly chaotique goods... It is the "privilege" of human to be able to choose their "aligment" normaly... |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2007 : 01:09:07
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Originally posted by Akeri Rualuavain
Shure, as soon as I can get a hold on one english version... To few book are translated in french, plus I always prefere the originals versions. I'm gonna come back with my impressions. But you are really a great author !
Cheers
p.s. Thanks for the French words !!!
Ah you spoke the magic words bon amie! The only thing I enjoy more than read one of Erik's books (besides talking with him here about them) it is helping another scribe to enjoy his work. As I love Canada and all things Canadian ( Some of my best freinds are from Hamilton, Ontario) I would like to make sure you get an english copy of Depths of Madness. PM(private message) your mailing address and I will send you a copy if you like. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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Akeri Rualuavain
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 20 Nov 2007 : 01:29:51
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| I won't be able to thank you enought. They are so difficult to find here in Quebec... The only place I saw that have a few english FR book is called the Gryffon (Gryffin) and their is not a lot of them... Only the most popular. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2007 : 01:32:23
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Originally posted by Akeri Rualuavain
I just mean that normaly elf are typicaly chaotique goods... It is the "privilege" of human to be able to choose their "aligment" normaly...
I'm inclined to say that members of either race ultimately choose (and are, therefore, responsible for their actions). |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Akeri Rualuavain
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 20 Nov 2007 : 01:43:44
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| Yes, i cannot denied it. I truly approve that. It's just that it is not typicly elven to choose demon and other... In fact, the most common Noble Elfe would say that it would not be possible... that Elves would NEVER choose that path. They are too proud to think about doing so... In fact, more than they know choose similar path. They just give themself a "noble" reason for doing so... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2007 : 01:48:01
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| Very good point. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Realms of the Elves: "The Greater Treasure"
