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Dargoth
Great Reader
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
 Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 07:43:04
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Hm . . . well, they could still do Dragons of the Frost, detailing cold dragon lairs and cold dragon magic and cold dragon servitors in a cold environment . . . or how about Dragons of the Sand, where we delve into the secrets of blues (well, whatever secrets they have left), sand dragons, brown dragons, yellow dragons, and the elusive spotted cactus dragon. Then they could publish Dragons of the Storms, detailing sea dragons and dragons that appreciate a good dip in a body of water now and then. And lets not forget Complete Dragon, detailing new core races with a vague connection to dragons, and a ton of new vaguely dragon related PrCs . . .
I'll stop before anyone reads this, takes it seriously, and manages to publish the above. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 08:54:12
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Just one complaint KEJR, you forgot the third-party products - D20 Guide to Dragons, The Quintessential Dragon, and, Behind the Monster - *** Dragon. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 16:14:54
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Just one complaint KEJR, you forgot the third-party products - D20 Guide to Dragons, The Quintessential Dragon, and, Behind the Monster - *** Dragon.
And the Slayer's Guide to Dragons...
As for the various dragon sourcebooks, I was really hoping we'd get a book on the dragons of Eberron. Unfortunately, with the recent finding of Faiths of Eberron(which isn't a bad supplement in it's own right), it appears that is not to be... |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 17:52:00
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| Well, this is WotC's "Year of the Dragon". Their intention is to release a lot of dragon-themed books this year. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 18:44:17
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Okay, I get "Races of the Dragon" (well, I get the concept, not so much what the contents look like), and I get Dragons of Faerun, even though we don't know for sure what will be in it. Red Hand of doom ties in with Tiamat worshipping hobgoblins, and we have the War of the Dragon Queen miniatures set as well as the colossal and gargantuan miniatures. I really think they have established the theme . . . I think more than one FR book about dragons, more than one core book about dragons, etc. is a bit of overkill for any one particular line.
I could, however, see one more adventure with a dragon theme, since we haven't seen many adventures recently and not many featuring dragons at any rate . . . |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 18:50:26
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I could, however, see one more adventure with a dragon theme, since we haven't seen many adventures recently and not many featuring dragons at any rate . . .
One more REALMS adventure, if I may add... the Realms have never focused on dragons too much, a pity...
Edit: however, I do agree wholeheartedly that WotC is starting to beat a dead horse... always happens prior to the release of another edition (4E late this year) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 19:39:49
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
always happens prior to the release of another edition (4E late this year)
You have some info the rest of us haven't seen? I've heard nothing official about a new edition coming out for several years, at least... |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 21:48:02
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Edit: however, I do agree wholeheartedly that WotC is starting to beat a dead horse... always happens prior to the release of another edition (4E late this year)
This had better be nothing more than a Rumor.
I don't know-I'd pay money for a new copy of the DMG using the new magic item and prestige class formats... |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2006 : 01:48:08
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by Arivia
I don't know-I'd pay money for a new copy of the DMG using the new magic item and prestige class formats...
A Reprinted DMG I have no problems with, but a completely New Rules Set, I do have a Problem With.
Ah, but could you really expect them to do something other than stab 3.75 or 3.6 or even 4e on a book like that? |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 16 Jan 2006 : 03:18:19
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There was a podcast that I was listening too a few months back that claimed that they, as "insiders" (i.e. hobby shop oweners) had heard rumors that 4th edition would be out at the end of 2006 or the begining of 2007. They further speculated that it would not be OGL anymore, thus alienating all of the d20 publishers. So, without any proof or news relases or anything, they declared that they knew when the 4th edition would be out AND condemned a business decicion that we don't even know if WOTC has made yet. Then a few minutes later they talked about how FR and Greyhawk are pretty interchangable, the Realms are pretty much dead unless you are some kind of fanatic, and that if you aren't playing some publisher's obscure d20 setting or making up your own from the scavenged corpses of other campaign settings than you aren't in the avant garde of roleplaying. Oddly, I've not been back there since that particular show.
I could be wrong, and things may shake out differently this time, but I would guess that the earliest we would see a 4th edition, the EARLIEST, would be 2008. Why? When 2nd edition rolled around, we were more or less told about a year ahead of time, and there were pretty concrete rumblings about SOMETHING major for a year before that. When 3rd edition came out, there was indeed warning for a year ahead of time, and even 3.5 didn't just show up out of nowhere.
People tend to think of edition being forced upon them, and you have a right to like or not like a given edition, but the fact of the matter is, they have to generate buzz. If they did a stealth release of 4th edition, what would be the point? They start to float the idea that a new edition is coming out early, so that two years out, if you are going to be upset, you get upset, you keep buying stuff for the current edition, and a year later, when they relaease more specifics, you are starting to wear down, to think that some changes might be okay, that you might not mind buying the stuff.
Now, for my own personal paranoia, let me tell you what I am more afraid of. After reading interviews with Hasbro types in PC Gamer, I worry more that D&D Online will take off and start making them tons of money . . . why? Because they are marketing the "brand" of D&D, and they have said that they don't think of D&D so much as a RPG as a name brand. If D&D Online goes over well enough, we may not HAVE a 4th edition, becuase the profit margin from a pen and paper game isn't high enough.
To sum up . . . Dragon Magic is overkill (yeah, that was the topic, yeah) |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 16 Jan 2006 : 04:09:56
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My knowledge of the impending doo.. err.. coming of 4E is from sources similar to KnightErrantJR. However, mine came from someone that will remain nameless, who is connected and active in the roleplaying game industry (he makes half a living out of it, so can he be called a half-professional? hmm... half-professional sounds good for a template... :P )
This person told me that WotC will begin marketing and advertising 4E in fall 2006. Whether this means the actual books will come out 6 months or a year after that is to me, very irrelevant.
To me, this is a signal to stock up on 3.5 sourcebooks (Core or Realmsmian) as I have sworn that 3.5 was my "last edition" upon buying the leather PHB... and I do not take my oaths lightly!  |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jan 2006 : 05:42:35
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So basically,
No one can prove it and it's all unfounded rumors and so and so told me this or that. Okay, I'll believe it when WOTC actually announces it, but that's me. |
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 16 Jan 2006 : 13:45:10
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
There was a podcast that I was listening too a few months back that claimed that they, as "insiders" (i.e. hobby shop oweners) had heard rumors that 4th edition would be out at the end of 2006 or the begining of 2007. They further speculated that it would not be OGL anymore, thus alienating all of the d20 publishers. So, without any proof or news relases or anything, they declared that they knew when the 4th edition would be out AND condemned a business decicion that we don't even know if WOTC has made yet. Then a few minutes later they talked about how FR and Greyhawk are pretty interchangable, the Realms are pretty much dead unless you are some kind of fanatic, and that if you aren't playing some publisher's obscure d20 setting or making up your own from the scavenged corpses of other campaign settings than you aren't in the avant garde of roleplaying. Oddly, I've not been back there since that particular show.
These are the same people that said 4E would be coming in 2005. It is a pointless discussion.
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Now, for my own personal paranoia, let me tell you what I am more afraid of. After reading interviews with Hasbro types in PC Gamer, I worry more that D&D Online will take off and start making them tons of money . . . why? Because they are marketing the "brand" of D&D, and they have said that they don't think of D&D so much as a RPG as a name brand. If D&D Online goes over well enough, we may not HAVE a 4th edition, becuase the profit margin from a pen and paper game isn't high enough.
They will need to pull over the multitudes that play Dark Age of Camelot and World of Warcraft first. I've played the stress test and wasn't crazy about it. The world wasn't very open, not like the aforementioned games. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 : 03:40:43
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I see you guys have hijacked my thread......
*Goes and checks to see if Alaundo left the Rod of Irritated moderator lying around* |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 : 03:51:40
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I see you guys have hijacked my thread......
*Goes and checks to see if Alaundo left the Rod of Irritated moderator lying around*
Indeed, we do seem to have pre-empted it. Apologies for my part in that. 
As for me, I have the Draconomicon. That's all the books on dragons I need. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2006 : 04:03:22
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As for me, I have the Draconomicon. That's all the books on dragons I need.
Dragons of Faerūn might make you change that belief.
-- George Krashos
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 : 04:10:22
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As for me, I have the Draconomicon. That's all the books on dragons I need.
Dragons of Faerūn might make you change that belief.
-- George Krashos
*runs around with the "George, you're a devilish, devilish man." flag again* |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2006 : 06:04:00
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It's not easy being this eeeeviiil you know. But I don't have anywhere near the 'insider knowledge' that you guys think I do ... And I've got to drum up support for the product line otherwise we'll sink in a morass of warforged and lightning rail vehicles.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2006 : 06:04:35
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As for me, I have the Draconomicon. That's all the books on dragons I need.
Dragons of Faerūn might make you change that belief.
-- George Krashos
Hey, it's a Realms supplement. Buying it is a foregone conclusion. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2006 : 06:08:00
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You sir, are a (fluffy and furry) Realms fan after my own heart. Having learnt from experience that every FR product is essential, no matter how it may be reviewed or perceived by the fan base, I get everything too - you'll get some use out of it: somehow, somewhen.
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2006 : 08:25:51
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I wonder if Dragons of Faerūn will reprint substantially any material in the Wyrms of the North articles? While I love those articles and think them worthy of purchasing hardbound, they have already been published once in Dragon Magazine and made available again more recently on the Web, so I am hoping for all new material in Dragons of Faerūn, although I will buy it just the same either way.
I am hoping that it will include some history regarding the Reign of Dragons, and their origins in Faerūn (much discussed in these forums and in the Candlekeep Compendiums).
Maybe they can sneak in some lore about the Aeearee, the creator race that the dragons apparently wiped out in their bid for dominion over Faerūn.
I would also love to know of their wars with Giantkind, and how the elves in turn took power from the dragons after the elves interloped in to Faerūn.
I further hope it will have some info on the state of the draconic pantheon. And maybe some information on Dragon Eyrie. A subject with which I am greatly intrigued.
Other than that I hope it has some lore about regions ruled by dragons and a little bit about how that works (either currently or in the past).
I am really looking forward to Dragons of Faerūn! |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 : 16:06:01
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Now, for my own personal paranoia, let me tell you what I am more afraid of. After reading interviews with Hasbro types in PC Gamer, I worry more that D&D Online will take off and start making them tons of money . . . why? Because they are marketing the "brand" of D&D, and they have said that they don't think of D&D so much as a RPG as a name brand. If D&D Online goes over well enough, we may not HAVE a 4th edition, becuase the profit margin from a pen and paper game isn't high enough.
I knew there was a reason I disliked Hasbro. Now I`ve found it. I don`t think there is anything to worry about though when it comes to D&D Online. The day that game becomes more popular than World of Warcraft is the day I run naked through the streets. In other words, never(I hope...) |
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