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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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 Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 02:55:46
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Time for another Character Study, for anyone that cares to participate. Since this particular one is very near to the big D, I feel compelled to reiterate the disclaimer that I posted way back when we all discussed Wulfgar and his character/potential future development. While I love a good discussion, and I definately don't expect everyone to chime in with only positive comments, this is not meant to be any kind of author bashing post. RAS provokes some strong emotions, but personally, part of why that is might be due to the fact that even those of us that may not be as thrilled with later books were definately fans of his earlier works. So definately do your utmost to keep on target with the character study, talking about the character and the ideas for development therein, what works, what doesn't. Thanks everyone in advance.
I think the whole "Company of the Hall" evolved a lot from the original archetypes that they were created under. Wulfgar was originally the hero, Bruenor was the father figure/mentor, Drizzt was the sidekick, Regis the comic releif, and Catti-brie the cute but fiesty love interest. Heck, originally Drizzt was the Spock to Wulfgar's Kirk . . . but times change.
I think a lot of the evolution of the characters was driven by the fan response. Not just that Drizzt shifted from the sidekick to the co-star to the star, but the scope of things as well. Once a trilogy was warrented, and the Realms became a popular place, then the Company of the Hall ended up doing some Realms hopping.
I think this is the impetus of some of the changes in Catti-brie. She could be the fiesty love interest "back home" when home was nearby. But if she was going to be a factor in the books, and the group starts wandering far afield, then she has to be shown to be competant, she needs to have the ability to contribute if she goes on the road. So the fiesty love interest turns into the fiesty warrior woman. The problem is, once she starts travelling with the band, she seems to have more chemistry with Drizzt than with Wulfgar, though she is still his love interest.
A nexus of how Catti-brie is portrayed comes from the events of The Legacy. The upcoming marriage, the foreshadowed feelings of Drizzt, the change in treatment from Wulfgar, the wedding planning, and the eventual "death" of Wulfgar shift things around a lot.
Catti-brie is suppose to be an independant, self actualized warrior woman, at least in theory. I think the Legacy shows us differently, dispite her protests in various stories since then. While Catti-brie gets upset with Wulfgar for treating her as less than an equal, and she gets upset with Bruenor for the whole traditional "wedding apron" incident, in the end, I think Catti-brie more often then not, from this point on, comes across as a woman that is competant in battle, but mainly is just along in the story to keep either her father figure or lover pleased.
I was always wondering why Catti-brie didn't question weather Wulfgar was just a girlhood crush, and why it took Wulfgar's less than stellar treatment for her to even start to be upset with the situation. It makes me wonder if her warrior exterior isn't a facade that hides someone that is looking for someone to please. Not exactly a hardened warrior woman or even a particularly independant one.
She spends HOW much time with Drizzt wandering around and sailing on Deudermont's ship, never really talking about the 800 pound girillon between them. The closest we get is Catti-brie telling Drizzt that they should talk about their relationship sometime . . . no ultimatum, no even trying to have another relationship because she is tired of waiting for him.
Then, when Wulfgar comes back, to make him feel like everything is back to normal, she sleeps with him!
There was the attempt to give Catti-brie a side story with Khazad-hea, but that story just seemed somewhat forced to me. We never really thought that she was going to completely succumb to the sword and try to kill Drizzt, so the whole point seemed to be to reinforce to all of us that she must have a strong will to master the sword.
I guess to me though, the biggest missed oppourtunity comes at the end of the Hunter's Blades trilogy. While Catti-brie and Drizzt finally cosumate their relationship, she also leaves Khazad-hea lying around, and it possessed, then causes the death of, Delly. Wulfgar has always been more emotional than thoughtful, and I would have thought that he might, at least a bit, blame Catti-brie for Delly death and Colson's dissappearance, but it never comes. Not even a hint of it. And from a character study point of view, even injured, to leave an intelligent evil weapon lying around when there are everyday, weak willed, run of the mill refugees being housed nearby, its the sign of someone that really doesn't take responsibility for her actions, someone that expects the father figure or the lover to be the one to say, "now Catti-brie, you make sure to put that evil sword up where no one can get to it now, okay?"
This is not to say that Catti-brie isn't likeable, or a valuable character, or even an enjoyable one. But there is a bit of a disconnect between the way the other characters perceive Catti-brie, and how she actually acts.
I can see essentially three paths for Catti-brie, and I would definately favor the last one I present.
1) Catti-brie and Drizzt settle down and have children. Catti-brie has mentioned a desire to have children, and if you run the numbers and the apparent date of the last trilogy, she had better do something soon if she is serious about this.
What I worry about here is the same thing that seems to have happened with the characters of Cadderly and Danica, where they "settle down" by having children, then have character X watch the child and they both proceed more or less as they have for years, with the occaisional mention of the child.
2) We hold steady where we are at. We know Catti-brie and Drizzt are officially a couple. They share a bed. If this option hold, then we have some passing references to the relationship, but it stalls out at this point for a while, and if Catti-brie hold true to form, she will only do a little wheedling about advancing anything, and, by default, the child issue soon becomes moot, without some kind of forced comment about "longevity" magic which would also lessen Drizzt's dealing with the realities of loving a human.
3) (Don't hate me for this one, and don't read into it the wrong thing) Catti-brie dies. This option, I think, has the most potential for character growth for the whole series. Keep in mind, I am not advocating this because I dislike the character, but think about what this would open up. Bruenor might mature and decide to dedicate himself to his people as a king, not wanting to loose any of them like he lost his daughter. Wulgar would likely strike out on his own, perhaps even having a chance to rekindle his leadership spark that we got to see, briefly, when Settlestone was populated. Drizzt would likely take to wandering, but he would be free to move on to another step in his life. Perhaps he could become a spy/scout/special agent for the Silver Marches, answering directly to Alustriel (considering their established friendship). He may even prefer her company to shorter lived friends for a while, after the pain of loosing Catti-brie.
This would also go a long way to rebuilding the suspension of disbelief that the characters are actually in mortal danger, a sense that was seriously damaged with Wulgar's return from the dead.
Obviously others will have some other ideas, and I would love to hear them. What ifs and brainstorming are my whole intent with these Character Studies, so let me hear what you think . . .
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 04:30:36
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Ok, let me chime in on this, as these characters are near and dear to my heart.
Since I don't want to take up too much space, I will just answer a few of the many good points you have made here, KEJR.
As for the facade - I believe you may be partially right. But here's another spin: rather than trying please everyone, maybe she is just trying to secure a way where she can be around her family and friends all the time. If she didn't know how to fight, or wasn't good with a sword, you know the companions wouldn't have let her come at all. In that sense, it may not be a facade, but what she saw as a necessary change to keep the things (and people) she loved near to her. She did go after Drizzt - why? Yeah, it may be love, etc. But one thing she kept mentioning was that "they" had lost Wulfgar and now "they" couldn't lose Drizzt. Was there some selfishness? Damn right. But I don't think it was all just about Catti-Brie.
As for your options, I do agree with you - the death (and non-return) of Catti-Brie would send the shockwaves through fans kind of like Gandalf's supposed death in the first LOTR (yes, I know he comes back, but I meant the shock  ). This may give Drizzt what C-B was subtly hinting at - time with a beautiful elf, which could not only teach him the ways of truly being Tel'Quess, but also be a very more real love interest (as they are both long-lived). RAS is definitely hinting that Wulfgar is regressing and there will be another encounter over her feelings. I would love to see Drizzt with Innovindil - even though I do like C-B.
Ok, those are my two cents for now.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 04:40:20
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| Thanks for your reply CF. I'm glad you took my suggestion for what it was. Its really not that I dislike her or the like. I just think that that course would open up a ton of possibilities for the characters . . . though I personally like Drizzt getting closer to Alustriel again rather than Innovindil . . . but I know your weakness for female elves . . . |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 14:41:44
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Haha! True enough!
The reason I see him closer to Innovindil is the age thing, and I believe that would not be a problem with Alustriel, either. I do think right now RAS has to decide where Drizzt's character needs to go. If he stays with C-B, its in his character to stay with the child and teach it everything - unless RAS has him betray the bond he felt with his father, Zak. If she dies, well, Drizzt could go on the rampage - better yet, check this plot twist - Wulfgar inadvertantly kills her - what would Drizzt do? Now that is Angst.
Oh, and I didn't mention above, the scene with Wulfgar and C-B having sex was extremely strange to me. I know it was a means to an end, but it just seemed forced - seven years and they're jumping in bed? And this is after we're told she is the keenest of all of the companions. After seven years next to Drizzt - just seems quite awkward.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 15:15:05
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Ok, I must confess up front that I've not read many of the RAS books (I read the first 2, most if not all of the short stories, and another (forget the title) that focused mainly on Wulfgar going on his own). That being said, I'm building on what you've told me of Catti-brie's evolved character.
If Catti-brie were to die... and then Drizzt become involved with Alustriel (on a professional relationship)... would it not be interesting if he were to be sent on a mission to aid Quilue and the darkmaidens. He might see this (unconsciously perhaps) as an opportunity to look into loving someone as long-lasting as himself with similar past. Even more interesting might be if they don't see eye to eye, even though both are very good individuals. Perhaps Quilue is more practical about the murder of... say a goblin... than Drizzt has taste for... or something similar. Anyway, its a thought. |
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 21:11:50
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It would be interesting to have C-B pass away because it would drastically alter thier future adventures. I think that Bruenor would do as you say and becoem more of a king for Mithril Hall. I would like to see the old Wulfgar come back, when Drizzt and him would go out on adventures together. Those were some of my favorite moments through out the trilogys. When they fought all manner of beasts and opponents, giants, dragons etc. I think the Company of the Hall needs to be trimmed down somewhat. What are the chances that a group of companions can go on for so long facing incredible odds and the some of the fiercest opponents the realms have ever faced and none of them die. I love RAS work but I think if he does another temporary death I may have to vomit haha. I really like the idea of C-B being the one to pass away. C-B has the most personal ties to the companions and thus her death would affect everyone the most. She is a lover of two of them and the daughter of another. There are so many twists about how she can die and the effects to come of it.
I would either like to see Drizzt go off alone and do new adventures or possibly the duo of him and Wulfgar together. Perhaps with the death of C-B Wulfgar could be reverted to his old self before the Yocohl incident. I am not sure what I would have Drizzt go do in these adventures if I were the author though. I know I would not want to see another romp to Menzo again. I really like the Icewind Dale setting and would like to see more of it.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 21:46:16
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Ugh, I cannot stand Wulfgar, but I have mentioned this on many other threads, and this is not a forum about him.
C-B's death would ultimately spur Drizzt on to find new reasons to adventure, which may be a healthy new start to his adventures. I hate the fact that Wulfgar is regressing to the moron he was before after the Hunters' Blade trilogy - darnit, I slipped into it again.
I do love C-B and everything she has brought to the world of RAS, and would hate to see her die - I just wish there may be another way to remove her and see what happens to both Drizzt and her.
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shike
Seeker
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 01:23:36
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When I started reading this thread, i didn't know, really, what to expect.
After reading the posts, though, I find myself agreeing that, even though I do enjoy the character Cattie-Bri, her death would be the best option for character development among all of the Companions of the Hall.
Unfortunately, I haven't read any of the books recently and do not have my own ideas as to the particular development of these characters, though the next time I do read them, I will most definately keep these things in mind. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 02:07:12
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Catti-Brie is an interesting character to say the least. And though RAS shows us that they are together at the end of the Hunter's Blades trilogy, is he implying they are an item or that they are simply consumating their love to move on? Will they marry? Will they have children? No one really knows.
And with Wulfgar regressing all the time, well, it looks like its going to take a wrong turn somewhere.
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Mask
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 10:35:14
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I completely dig the idea of C-B dying. I never really liked her and I really want Drizzt to to persue a relationship, wether it's a romantic or professional relationship, with Innovindil. Not only could Drizzt find out what it means to be an elf, but he could probably get in touch again with the ranger inside himself. All he does now to be in touch with his rangerside is track.
Furthermore, I suppose (and hope) that Bruenor becomes the king he's meant to be (but I doubt it) and slowly, but surely whittles away to nothingness, rotting inside Mithral Hall. I suppose Regis (how could we forget about him?) stays with him, as he's done such a wonderful task as being the steward of Mithral Hall in Bruenors absence. Anywayz, I couldn't care less about what happens to Wulfgar. I find him totally uninteresting.
So in general, I hope the Company of the Hall disintegrates and Drizzt finds new friends and a new life. But I really enjoyed reading the trilogies. I just think it's time for change. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 14:15:32
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I do agree with a lot of what you have said. It is time for the series to take a different angle. And I think we're going to see some interesting events with Drizzt and Innovindil along with interesting events with Wulfgar and Catti-Brie.
As for Catti-Brie, I wouldn't mind so much if she did die, however, I don't necessarily think it has to happen. Though she loves Drizzt, she did love Wulfgar before and could fall out of love with Drizzt. As long as Drizzt and C-B relationship could fail in that way, it would still push the story in a new direction.
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 16:15:46
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True she does not necessarily have to die but I don't think Drizzt should remain tied up with her. Drizzt does need to find friendship/companionship with another elf like Innovindil. They don't have to run off into the sunset and fall in love or anything but I think it would bring him great pleasure to be with someone so very like him. I agree that the current Wulfgar is kind of boring and not one of the better characters but during the Icewind Dale Trilogy I thought he was a great character but over time he just went down hill.
My memory of the end of the Hunter's Blade Trilogy is a little foggy. C-B lost her sentient sword correct? I know she at least temporarily lost it but I don't remember if she had it at the end of the novel or not. What about Heart Seeker, does she still have that? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 17:03:20
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Yes, she still has Taulmaril, but Khazid-hea is in the possesion of a rather unscrupulous drow warrior right now, and that storyline apparently is going to be further explored in the Realms of Elves short story RAS is doing.
My whole point about Catti-brie is that she is in many ways painted into a corner. The character has talked about children, and if she doesn't act soon, there will not be any forthcoming, and if the timeline moves much more forward, Drizzt will be dealing with humans aging almost as soon as he has finally come to grips with letting himself be with one.
CF, I like your point about Catti-brie wanting to be with her family. I guess my main thought on the subject is just that sometimes she is portrayed as being so strong and independant, but she really has shown that she SHOULD have a more vulnerable side, even if she isn't usually allowed to show it. I think, being raised in a dwarven settlement, it would make sense that she wants to have children, settle down and have a stable family, and that she would learn to defend herself and her family in a competant manner, becuase I think this is what dwarven women tend to learn.
Speaking of things that we'll likely never see . . . if Bruenor were ever to get more serious about Stumpet (which, to go round in circles, might be more likely if his "daughter" was dead, and he started thinking about how little family he has left), do you think Stumpet and Catti-brie would actually develop a "mother-daughter" idea? |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 20:02:50
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Well, remember, it was Stumpet who tried to rescue C-B and vice versa in the icy water when the companions fought good ole Errtu. 
Well, I think that portrayal of C-B is one of RAS's shortcomings. He has done a poor job of portraying a woman's mind/point-of-view in a lot of his stories. You're right, she should have a vulnerable side, but just when we see it, Drizzt (or whoever she's talking to) seems to become confounded. I would stop showing my vulnerability if every time I showed it people flipped out!
And that's why I am so worried/excited about what RAS wants to do after the conclusion of Hunter's Blades. They split like that for a reason. Remember, Wulfgar was the only unhappy one when C-B and Drizzt got together. It's going to get stranger before it gets clearer.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 20:22:54
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You know, the one thing that flashed through my mind when the book ended that was was, "surely he wouldn't hint that Drizzt would be tempted to be less than faithful now that he and Catti-brie have gotten together," especially considering Drizzt virtuous reputation . . . but I don't think its impossible for RAS to think that way, given that the entanglements in Spine of the World were a bit more adult and convoluted than in a lot of his other books. Its the how that is the trick.
Speaking of that, the girl in Spine of the World was probably one of his better written women, most likely becuase he wasn't trying to convince us how tough she was. Danica suffers this same fate as Catti-brie in this type of characterisation, though I like Shoudra . . . I think sometimes if he is writting a main female lead he tries to hard . . . |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 20:49:24
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You know, I think you are really on point with that. If you've read Promise of the Witch King, Ellery kind of fell flat as a character - almost like RAS said she had a great inner conflict, but there was none.  . I thought Calihye (like Shoudra) was a great female character and was portrayed wonderfully.
It would be interesting to see Drizzt become unfaithful. Heck, he's already started along that path. He did start to make out with Innovindil and kept going until she stopped it - Drizzt could handled it....
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Reefy
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 23:32:05
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| I think the idea of C-B dying has a lot of potential for future directions for the remaining characters, not that I'm advocating her death. I'd like to see the characters start to move in new directions and that might be one way to do it. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 23:55:16
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I think one main problem that RAS has is that he will feel like the books' fans may be peeved if he goes off in many different directions with his characters. He has to worry about his fan base, first and foremost. If they want to see the group together, that's what we'll get. I think that's why after the Paths of Darkness, we were put back together in Hunter's Blades.
Let me just make one point about C-B, I do not see RAS letting her die of old age, so something must be done quickly. You figure she must be about, I dunno 26 at least (7 years with Deudermont). All I have to say is... we'll see.
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Dec 2005 : 21:20:40
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| What is the average human life expectancy in FR? If she is only 26 she could still be in many novels to come. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 16 Dec 2005 : 23:47:12
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True, but she wants to have children and raise them - sure she has many years to come, but she'll have to devote some of that time to motherhood?
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 04:12:01
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Well, it wasn't the conclusive answer that I was trying to come up with, but here are a few facts and why the Catti-brie biological clock seemed to be going off every time I thought of her planning to have a child:
The Crystal Shard takes place in 1351 DR, and its hard to mess with the timeline too much becuase there has to be time for the Icewind Dale trilogy to resolve, Bruenor to refound Mithril Hall, the drow to raid in preparation for their attack, before the Time of Troubles, when Lolth visits Menzoberranzan and Matron Malice decided to attack Mithril Hall full force.
According to the Grand History of the Realms, the Hunter's Blades Trilogy take place in 1370 DR, which would be logical, since that is the year before the founding of the Silver Marches. That makes 19 years between The Crystal Shardand the most recent books. It seems like a lot of time, but a lot of time passed between the events of The Legacy and Passage to Dawn.
I was trying to find specific ages, but it was hard to do so quickly. However, Wulfgar is noted as being too young to grow a beard when he was a standard bearer, and we know that RAS based the Tundra barbarians greatly on Norse cultures. Young men started accompaning raiders at age 13 by tradition, so if we assume Wulgar was 13 at the begining of the book, he was endentured to Bruenor for 5 years, making him 18 at the end of his indenture, and Catti-brie is mentioned as being the same age as Wulfgar.
If we REALLY streach things, I beleive barbarians in 1st edition could start at 1st level at 15 years of age minimum. If this is the case instead of the 18 above, then he was 10 when Bruenor took him in. Now if we also streach things a bit with Catti-brie to mean "his own age" varying a bit, she may be finegled down to 14 at this time (I still favor her being 17 or 18, from the context, but I'm just brainstorming here).
If Catti-brie was 18 or 17 in the Crystal Shard, she would be 37 in the Hunter's Blades trilogy, or perhaps 36. If she was 14, the least she would likely have been in this book, then she would be 33 years old. So the possible range is 33 to 37 years old.
So, if Catti-brie is hale and hearty in the Year of Lightning Storms (the current year), then her age range would be 37 to 41. Still likely to be an attractive woman and to be pretty healthy in battle and all, but really starting to push it if she wants to have children. Especially since she doesn't have court mages or really powerful clerics around her (though once the alliance with the Silver Marches is formalized, anything is possible). I would hate to place Catti-brie's fertility in the magical talents of a Harkel Harpell, and he would be her most likely magical aquantance unless she makes some new friends when the Silver Marches are officially born. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 05:14:55
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Well, KEJR - I think with the convoluted timeline of RAS, C-B is supposed to be around 29-30. I don't know how that works out with the actual timeline, but it's the feeling I get. For some reason, I think after Drizzt and she were with Deudermont, I believe it mentions she is like 26 summers or so. During the Paths of Darkness, not much time passes, same with Hunter's Blade. So, in my estimate, I think she is about 30.
Am I making sense? Any which way, I totally agree with you - her biological clock is ticking as - well, at least in the medieval times, she would be a very old mother. Something has to be done with these characters and stat.
I will be back later - hockey beckons.
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 08:26:23
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I wish I had the memory you guys have. I think I read through so fast that I don't retain enough of what I read to remember it for very long. You guys always have such interesting post.
I would picture C-B being closer to C-Fb estimate but who knows. It would appear that she does need to step it up sicne she wants children. If she does end up having them do you see her still adventuring with the company or staying home with her children? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 10:47:57
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I think I remember what you were saying about how old she was in Passage to Dawn, since that was the first time that my "How old is Catti-brie" radar went off, especially when they note that they have been with Duedurmont for six years. I was skimming it to see if I could find the specific reference, but I didn't narrow it down. Even then, 26 years old puts her at 32 in the Hunter's Blades Trilogy, only a year off of my low end estimate, which again puts us at 36 years old in the Year of Lightning Storms . . . though I agree, that takes a bit of massaging of the time line when you read all of the books together and put them in perspective. Though in The Crystal Shard they mention Drizzt being "hundreds" of years old as well.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 16:08:16
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I was trying to stay well clear of that! 
On the other hand, RAS could throw us for a loop and have C-B turned into an elf or something of the such. That way he could continue the relationship. Also, just like Piergeiron, she could eventually take some kind of potion to keep her younger than she is now. What if she becomes desparate to stay with Drizzt?
And don't think that RAS isn't above keeping his characters alive longer than they should be - Entreri now has Shade blood in him which may keep him around a while longer than a 40+ yo man should be in the Realms.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 20:47:34
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
This is not to say that Catti-brie isn't likeable, or a valuable character, or even an enjoyable one. But there is a bit of a disconnect between the way the other characters perceive Catti-brie, and how she actually acts.
Hell yes. There is also a disconnect between what RAS says about her and how she acts. We are TOLD that Cattie-brie is wise, compassionate, caring, understanding, etc. And in spite of all that glowing praise, she rarely ever seems to act that way. Not once, but twice, she actually pushes Regis up against the wall in a fit anger and impatience. Not exactly the actions of a "caring, compassionate, understanding" person. What's worse is that the second time was apparently done for humor. Needless to say, I wasn't laughing. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 22:28:27
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Originally posted by Beezy
I wish I had the memory you guys have. I think I read through so fast that I don't retain enough of what I read to remember it for very long. You guys always have such interesting post.
I would picture C-B being closer to C-Fb estimate but who knows. It would appear that she does need to step it up sicne she wants children. If she does end up having them do you see her still adventuring with the company or staying home with her children?
Well, I would see her staying home to raise the children, due to the family life that she had. She lost her parents from a goblin raid, so I would think it would be important to her to stay close to her children and raise them, to give them something she never had. If she went off adventuring, she would almost be asking for the same fate she had as a child.
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Still rockin' the Fey'ri style. |
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Mask
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 23:05:00
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| Entreri has Shade blood? Where does it say that? Is it going to be explained in the last book of the Sell Swords trilogy? Or did I miss something in the other books? |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 18 Dec 2005 : 00:03:07
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| It's in a short story in one of the Realms of ... books, Realms of Shadow sounds logical to me. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Dec 2005 : 00:51:13
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Originally posted by Mask
Entreri has Shade blood? Where does it say that? Is it going to be explained in the last book of the Sell Swords trilogy? Or did I miss something in the other books?
Enteri gained some shade essence after stabbing a shade with a vampiric blade in the Realms of Shadow, the short story title called: "That curious sword" |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Mask
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Dec 2005 : 10:37:15
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| Seems like I'll have to get a copy of that book somewhere. |
Nothing is impossible! |
Edited by - Mask on 18 Dec 2005 10:46:29 |
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Character Study: Catti-brie (Spoilers)
