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KnightErrantJR
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I was thinking about this whole topic. While I don't think that Hollywood would either touch this project, nor would they do it justice (the only incentive being the NY Times best seller tag and the current fantasy trend), I was thinking about what might have to happen to see the Realms, done well, on film.
First, in my little fantasy here, the series would have to be an HBO series like Rome, for example (love that show). Not that it would have to be that racy, but it would show a more serious attitude toward the subject matter, and it would let you have the occaisional "naked Storm" moment (not that such a thing is required mind you).
One of the things you would have to do, in order to get rid of any real world issues with racism that might come up, you would have to make sure that you were showing various races within the Realms and show that no characters are really suprised or has any preconcieved notions about the different racial types. I would avoid obvious real world analogous races for a while (Chult, Kara-Tur, even Calimshan to begin with). A Turami druid from the Vilhon Reach would be an interesting character for this sort of thing.
When you introduce elves, you would have to almost OVERPLAY thier racial traits (Sun Elves with gold skin, Moon Elves with VERY pale skin, etc.). I would also make sure that Moon elves aren't especially portrayed as the be all, end all good elf race, since physically they are the diametric opposite of drow. I would also make sure to introduce a sun elf that was more in the vein of Vartan Hai Sylvar from the FR comics series, one that is arrogant and sure of himself, but is at times almost comedic in his lack of understanding of humans, and doesn't so much come across as superior, but as thinking he should be regarded better than he is. An absent minded sun elf wizard might work in this case.
Never ever mention Maztica and the indiscretions of the Church of Helm because that would immediately set off the "REAL WOLRD" racism detectors and set people to thinking that the Realms are suppose to be a "different but the same" type of place.
Finally, after all of this, you could introduce the drow, slowly, as evil things. I would make sure to point out the the Ilythiri always looked much as the drow do, so as to not make it look like Corellon cursed them by giving them dark skin.
You would still have people that would misunderstand or complain, but at this point you would have a great deal of the series with other races and appearances to point out that such direct corellations don't work in the Realms. It might change the number of clamorors from a horde to a mob.
But for all of this to work, you would have to have producers and writers that were both well versed in the Realms and sensitive about the perception of their product. In the end, I just think its too much trouble for anyone to get into without really messing things up. |
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J D Dunsany
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 22:50:55
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Yes, I am saying that skin alone would be offensive. As I pointed out with The Da Vinci Code, we've already got examples of that... And this is more than just saying "black = evil". This is saying "okay, so there's this race of people with black skin. And every single one of them, except for this one guy, is an evil murderous git, one who would kill his or her own mother if it was convenient. To these folks, murder, deceit, lies and torture are acceptable methods of advancement."
That kind of thing would be offensive to a lot of people. Your "angry militant nuts" would be the most vocal, but they'd hardly be lone voices of dissension. Even moderate folks would be uneasy at what could be perceived as a direct racial slur like that.
Would the effect not be offset if the central hero(ine) character was a human character played by a black actor or actress encountering Drizzt or Liriel or whoever? The different types of blackness would be very visually obvious on screen.
And, KnightErrantJR, I absolutely agree with the mini-series idea, but I'm uncomfortable with the idea that a FR film/TV series should avoid controversial 'real life' aspects of the Realms. Encountering the re-working of real life issues such as racism, gender discrimination and social injustice in a manifestly unreal fantasy world can sometimes be a very thought-provoking experience. It's one of the reasons I like the Realms and I'd be loathe to lose it in a film/TV version. (That said, I'm perfectly willing to accept the probability that said film/TV version may not deal with those issues particularly subtly...) |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Dec 2005 : 04:44:10
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I'm sorry, it may not have come across in what I was trying to say (I rambled a bit). I meant that those elements should not come up until you have all of your conventions bolted in place. This might take a while, but I think there are still plenty of stories to tell to establish the place.
Yeah, ideally I think I would go with a black actor to play the druid from the Vilhon Reach, and go with the gold elf wizard as well as members of the party. I still really would not want to bring up the Helmite/Maztica thing because I just don't think that storyline was ever really done well, other than to say that Helmites=Europeans=Bad, which seemed far too simplistic to me. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Dec 2005 : 06:43:25
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Would the effect not be offset if the central hero(ine) character was a human character played by a black actor or actress encountering Drizzt or Liriel or whoever? The different types of blackness would be very visually obvious on screen.
Nope. There's no way around it: to properly show why Drizzt is different from his people, you have to examine his society. And when you put a bunch of dark-skinned people on the screen, say that they are all murderous and unrepentantly evil, then you're asking for charges of racism. The actors don't matter, and are in fact immaterial to this point. We're talking about how it's going to be perceived by those who don't know the Realms.
We are unfortunate enough to live in an age of political correctness. In this era, if some doesn't like the way you look at them, you can be sued. People are constantly getting sued for not warning or not stopping someone from doing something that common sense would indicate is a bad idea -- the lady who sued McDonald's for serving her hot coffee is a great example. Yesterday I was reading about a gentleman who was paralyzed while trying to escape from prison. He's suing the prison for not stopping him from going out the window and thus getting hurt!
If people are given the opportunity to take something the wrong way, someone will do so. And then they'll cause problems... Now, give them this movie. Tell them that this entire race of dark-skinned people is evil... They'll be lining up to sue the pants off of you, claiming harassment, discrimination, and a host of other things.
I can offer a couple of links showing similar movie issues. One is the one I've mentioned a couple of times, about the casting of an albino actor to play the albino monk in the movie version of The Da Vinci Code (this apparently perpetuates a stereotype of evil albino people, a stereotype I've never before heard of). Another was about the movie Flightplan. Three unions of flight attendants (representing 80000 members) called for a boycott of this film, because of the way certain flight attendants in the movie were protrayed.
That's simple stuff. Give someone a reason to raise the racism flag, and you're asking for years of legal battles and millions of dollars down the drain on the legal expenses. It could, if things went poorly enough, destroy WotC. Sorry, but I love the Realms too much to want to see that, especially for a movie telling me a story I'm already familiar with, and featuring a character I got tired of four years ago. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 02 Dec 2005 : 14:51:53
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Yeah, but to be fair, they raised the racism flag over the new Star Wars trilogy, and where did that get?
However, to be truthful - the Drow, being darkskinned would easily allow an outcry of "racism," which is unfortunate, but true. Ah, what a wonderful world we live in.
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 02 Dec 2005 : 14:52:30
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Rory
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Posted - 02 Dec 2005 : 16:56:01
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Yes, I am saying that skin alone would be offensive. As I pointed out with The Da Vinci Code, we've already got examples of that... And this is more than just saying "black = evil". This is saying "okay, so there's this race of people with black skin. And every single one of them, except for this one guy, is an evil murderous git, one who would kill his or her own mother if it was convenient. To these folks, murder, deceit, lies and torture are acceptable methods of advancement."
That kind of thing would be offensive to a lot of people. Your "angry militant nuts" would be the most vocal, but they'd hardly be lone voices of dissension. Even moderate folks would be uneasy at what could be perceived as a direct racial slur like that.
The only controversy I knew of surrounding the Da Vinci Code was its portrayal of Christ. So that was news to me. Even then I gave you a bunch of other examples where there was mild protest that really did not hurt what they were protesting against. Some might have helped it. The Jar Jar Binks thing became a Mad TV joke. Jar Jar Binks was an escaped slave rescued by Jedi. If I were to paraphrase the dialog it went something like. “Yesm Jedi Massa sur I’s do whateva I can to help you sur.” Just how politically correct our we really? It’s the same with the Dukes of Hazzard. If I was an emigrant moving to the south I would have this image of white people flirting with their cousins, making illegal liquor, and fleeing from the authorities.
I’m not saying you aren’t right in the sense that a race of evil elves with black skin might cause Hollywood to stutter I just don’t think there would be much outrage over a well made Homeland movie. When I’m talking about a small percent of nutty militants understand that there are 40 million people of African decent in America if .5% took to the streets in protest it would be more people then have protested the Iraq war and not far from Vietnam. I just don’t think its that serious. The news media would make it seem serious. Why they would surely find some crazy militant blowhards to yip yap about Homeland but at the end of the day it would be Dave Chappelle skit comedy. Ah that is if Chappelle comes back. I doubt he will but if he was to make fun of Homeland it would do nothing but sell tickets.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Dec 2005 : 15:23:58
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Boy, with all this talk about drow and albinos, Irae T'sarran would really cause problems!
Do I have to get Jesse Jackson down here.....
You cannot hate on those with a bald pate
You cannot beat the brows of those dark skinned drows
Ok, I could go on all day..
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Dec 2005 : 16:18:42
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Originally posted by Rory
The only controversy I knew of surrounding the Da Vinci Code was its portrayal of Christ. So that was news to me. Even then I gave you a bunch of other examples where there was mild protest that really did not hurt what they were protesting against. Some might have helped it. The Jar Jar Binks thing became a Mad TV joke. Jar Jar Binks was an escaped slave rescued by Jedi. If I were to paraphrase the dialog it went something like. "Yesm Jedi Massa sur I's do whateva I can to help you sur." Just how politically correct our we really? It's the same with the Dukes of Hazzard. If I was an emigrant moving to the south I would have this image of white people flirting with their cousins, making illegal liquor, and fleeing from the authorities.
There's an albino special interest group that is seriously unhappy about an albino actor being used to portray the albino monk Silas. They are claiming it's perpetuating a stereotype that all albino people are evil. They're not going after the book, they're going after the movie version of it.
I can't see how the blowback for those other movies could have possibly helped them... "Hey, this movie has things that are offensive to our group. Let's go watch it!"
And my point in mentioning those movies wasn't the reaction, it was the fact that controversy existed. There wasn't a lot of reaction because the so-called offensive material was something you had to read into, and which affected only a small subset of folks in the US, anyway.
Putting an entire race of evil dark-skinned people on the screen doesn't require reading into to be offensive, and it affects a lot more people.
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I'm not saying you aren't right in the sense that a race of evil elves with black skin might cause Hollywood to stutter I just don't think there would be much outrage over a well made Homeland movie. When I'm talking about a small percent of nutty militants understand that there are 40 million people of African decent in America if .5% took to the streets in protest it would be more people then have protested the Iraq war and not far from Vietnam. I just don't think its that serious. The news media would make it seem serious. Why they would surely find some crazy militant blowhards to yip yap about Homeland but at the end of the day it would be Dave Chappelle skit comedy. Ah that is if Chappelle comes back. I doubt he will but if he was to make fun of Homeland it would do nothing but sell tickets.
There's a difference between being unhappy with a war, and with charges of racism. The war in Iraq may be a hot button issue, but it's one that draws out relatively few demonstrating protesters.
Charges of racism, on the other hand, will have a much greater effect on the relevant populace. Look at all the things in US history that have happened because of racism... The civil rights movement of the 60's wasn't terribly long ago. Heck, look at the LA riots from a decade or so ago. What motivated them? The (carefully-selected) image of a single person being beaten by cops, and the subsequent court trial. It was perceived as being racially motivated, and things got real bad, real fast.
Race is one of the biggest hot button topics around. You can get away with a lot of stuff, but make it racial, and you've got problems. Do something that could be construed as being against a particular race -- particularly in a country with a large populace of that race, in all walks of life -- and you're just asking for trouble.
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J D Dunsany
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 Dec 2005 : 23:16:08
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I'm sorry, it may not have come across in what I was trying to say (I rambled a bit). I meant that those elements should not come up until you have all of your conventions bolted in place. This might take a while, but I think there are still plenty of stories to tell to establish the place.
That's fair enough. Although I suppose you could argue that a lot of the conventions have already been bolted in place by a the LOTR trilogy.
Wooly Rupert, I can't really disagree with you on any of your well-argued comments. While no one can argue that racism is a blight on western culture (a high-profile racially motivated murder has just been tried over here not all that far from where I live), there develops an undeniable tension between eradicating bigotry and people's freedom of speech. I guess, as you say, in the current climate, the Drow would be a no-no...
Ah, well...
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Rory
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Posted - 04 Dec 2005 : 06:08:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There's an albino special interest group that is seriously unhappy about an albino actor being used to portray the albino monk Silas. They are claiming it's perpetuating a stereotype that all albino people are evil. They're not going after the book, they're going after the movie version of it.
I can't see how the blowback for those other movies could have possibly helped them... "Hey, this movie has things that are offensive to our group. Let's go watch it!"
And my point in mentioning those movies wasn't the reaction, it was the fact that controversy existed. There wasn't a lot of reaction because the so-called offensive material was something you had to read into, and which affected only a small subset of folks in the US, anyway.
Putting an entire race of evil dark-skinned people on the screen doesn't require reading into to be offensive, and it affects a lot more people.
Well I’m not even sure there would be controversy over Homeland. I could see a movie about subterranean elves being so above or below the head of people like Jesse Jackson that they would fear they would come out looking like Jerry Falwell on the Teletubies. Also the reason why I say controversy in some cases can add to the hype is that there would be millions of people who are completely ignorant to the Forgotten Realms, Dark Elves, or even fantasy novels but if they were to see on TV or read about a debate like ours it might make them interested.
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There's a difference between being unhappy with a war, and with charges of racism. The war in Iraq may be a hot button issue, but it's one that draws out relatively few demonstrating protesters.
Charges of racism, on the other hand, will have a much greater effect on the relevant populace. Look at all the things in US history that have happened because of racism... The civil rights movement of the 60's wasn't terribly long ago. Heck, look at the LA riots from a decade or so ago. What motivated them? The (carefully-selected) image of a single person being beaten by cops, and the subsequent court trial. It was perceived as being racially motivated, and things got real bad, real fast.
Race is one of the biggest hot button topics around. You can get away with a lot of stuff, but make it racial, and you've got problems. Do something that could be construed as being against a particular race -- particularly in a country with a large populace of that race, in all walks of life -- and you're just asking for trouble.
The Iraq war is far more controversial then any of our examples in the entertainment industry and those examples are a much more accurate comparison to what you might get from Homeland. There is no comparison to the civil right movement or the LA riots. The LA riots were about much more then a bad curt decision. This was a pattern of injustice that had been around for hundreds of years and it was made worse because we could all see it on video. The image of King getting beaten was not carefully selected it was randomly selected because someone just so happened to be holding a camera at the time. People had been saying this sort of thing happens for years now here was there proof and still no justice.
Like I said you are making wayyyy to much out of it. To even be that blowhard on the news or make an argument with any weight as a special interest group there has to be something that says the producers or the author specifically wanted to relate black with evil but that argument has no weight. So there is no racism. Dark Elves have been around before Salvatore. If there was really a problem with Drow it would not take a movie. Books are protested aginst all the time. With the way Drizzt’s books sell we know that thousands of people of color have already read Homeland.
Its all hypothetical because even though I do believe that there will be a FR’s movie I doubt that it will be Homeland I could see Salvatore saying he wants to tell his stories in craniological order.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Dec 2005 : 07:06:12
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Well I’m not even sure there would be controversy over Homeland. I could see a movie about subterranean elves being so above or below the head of people like Jesse Jackson that they would fear they would come out looking like Jerry Falwell on the Teletubies. Also the reason why I say controversy in some cases can add to the hype is that there would be millions of people who are completely ignorant to the Forgotten Realms, Dark Elves, or even fantasy novels but if they were to see on TV or read about a debate like ours it might make them interested.
When has being ignorant of something stopped someone from complaining about something? Usually the people who are complaining are the ones who are either misinformed or are deliberately misconstruing things for their own benefits.
And if you tell people there's a movie that insults their race, most of them aren't going to go see it with an open mind. They'll simply see the carefully selected clips that are shown to them by the media, base their opinion off of that, and grab their torches and pitchforks and join the howling mobs.
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The Iraq war is far more controversial then any of our examples in the entertainment industry and those examples are a much more accurate comparison to what you might get from Homeland. There is no comparison to the civil right movement or the LA riots. The LA riots were about much more then a bad curt decision. This was a pattern of injustice that had been around for hundreds of years and it was made worse because we could all see it on video. The image of King getting beaten was not carefully selected it was randomly selected because someone just so happened to be holding a camera at the time. People had been saying this sort of thing happens for years now here was there proof and still no justice.
You were the one that brought up the Iraq war...
About the LA riots: my comment about the carefully selected shot was dead on. There was a lot more of that video tape. The media simply chose to run with the part of the tape that would get the most reaction. In effect, they caused the whole thing to blow up.
You speak of patterns of injustice... Are you saying that depicting a race as evil would not be considered an injustice? I've been trying to point out that some people choose to be offended at the slightest thing. A recent example I heard about: someone complained about a school festival, because the kids were going to sing a song that mentioned picking cotton. There wasn't any part of the song that implied anything negative about picking cotton, but someone chose to be offended and raise a big stink about it, because, at one point in time, slaves picked cotton. The song said nothing about slaves or slavery, but he still considered it to be incredibly insensitive and racist.
That's the point I've been trying to make: some people seem to want to be offended. It doesn't have to be race; it could be anything. My sister, for example, gets easily offended by anything that could be perceived as being non-Christian. Stuff that most people wouldn't think twice about will send her into a tirade...
Considering that there are people like that, you don't want to play into their hands and give them something that can easily be construed as offensive to one of the nation's largest racial groups.
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Like I said you are making wayyyy to much out of it. To even be that blowhard on the news or make an argument with any weight as a special interest group there has to be something that says the producers or the author specifically wanted to relate black with evil but that argument has no weight. So there is no racism. Dark Elves have been around before Salvatore. If there was really a problem with Drow it would not take a movie. Books are protested aginst all the time.
You mentioned the Teletubbies, earlier, and Jerry Falwell. That's proof right there that if someone wants to read into something, they can. And they will. Proof is immaterial.
Heck, several years ago, half of the state of Florida was on fire. Why? Because our annual summer dry spell was particularly long and dry. Either Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson (I don't recall which) said that God was punishing the entire state because of Disney. Because the Magic Kingdom extends benefits to same-sex partners, and because of the annual gathering of people who don't fit into this guy's view of what is right, he said God was punishing the entire state.
People like that don't need proof. If they can misconstrue something, they will. It's already happened countless times. It will undoubtedly happen countless more.
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With the way Drizzt’s books sell we know that thousands of people of color have already read Homeland.
Indeed. But these are people that choose to read them, and understand the intent. I daresay that the average gamer is both more intelligent and more tolerant than the average non-gamer.
Those thousands aren't the problem. The problem is the millions who wouldn't even think of picking up a fantasy novel.
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Its all hypothetical because even though I do believe that there will be a FR’s movie I doubt that it will be Homeland I could see Salvatore saying he wants to tell his stories in craniological order.
*blinks* Uh, chronologically, Homeland is first...
But you're right. It is unlikely. So perhaps we should let this debate die -- especially since we've been monopolizing the thread with a debate that doesn't directly pertain to the subject. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Dec 2005 : 14:54:33
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Ok, I just want to say that Silverfall should be right out - no way to find the right actresses. Unless we hire Mary-Kate and Ashley and dye their hair... nah.
I think a great made-for-TV movie would the The Rage of Dragons series. The dragon in the D&D II Movie wasn't too bad, IMHO.
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Posted - 04 Dec 2005 : 14:58:02
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Ok, I just want to say that Silverfall should be right out - no way to find the right actresses. Unless we hire Mary-Kate and Ashley and dye their hair... nah.
I think finding the right actresses is the least of the problems. :p A distinct lack of cohesive plot is a rather bigger one, and again, there are drow in it. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 04 Dec 2005 : 17:39:08
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Ok ok... that too, I agree. I was just trying to be nice. 
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Rory
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Posted - 05 Dec 2005 : 19:30:15
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When has being ignorant of something stopped someone from complaining about something? Usually the people who are complaining are the ones who are either misinformed or are deliberately misconstruing things for their own benefits.
More then willing to change the subject but I just wanted to clarify a few things. People in general don’t want to go on TV and make fools of themselves. When Falwell was confronted about the Teletuby thing he retracted it. I think that would be the same way with Homeland. Between blacks that read Homeland and people like Larry Elder you could find people with a much better argument to defend the movie. I think they would see a losing battle.
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You were the one that brought up the Iraq war...
About the LA riots: my comment about the carefully selected shot was dead on. There was a lot more of that video tape. The media simply chose to run with the part of the tape that would get the most reaction. In effect, they caused the whole thing to blow up.
I have seen the whole thing and I thought it was worse. You see that he was resisting arrest but worse then that you see the actual length of the beating.
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You speak of patterns of injustice... Are you saying that depicting a race as evil would not be considered an injustice? I've been trying to point out that some people choose to be offended at the slightest thing. A recent example I heard about: someone complained about a school festival, because the kids were going to sing a song that mentioned picking cotton. There wasn't any part of the song that implied anything negative about picking cotton, but someone chose to be offended and raise a big stink about it, because, at one point in time, slaves picked cotton. The song said nothing about slaves or slavery, but he still considered it to be incredibly insensitive and racist.
No I dont think Homeland would be considered injustice by 99% of the public. The 1% would do little more stir debate and hype. Thats why I brought up the Iraq war. 1% is a huge protest I dont think its realistic to expect more. I think Drow would be more of a risk in a movie based on the Legacy wars where they are the only bad guys but even then with the right special effects you could make them look so unhuman the fact that they are black would not relate to black people as much as the fact that they have grey hair would relate to old people.
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You mentioned the Teletubbies, earlier, and Jerry Falwell. That's proof right there that if someone wants to read into something, they can. And they will. Proof is immaterial.
Heck, several years ago, half of the state of Florida was on fire. Why? Because our annual summer dry spell was particularly long and dry. Either Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson (I don't recall which) said that God was punishing the entire state because of Disney. Because the Magic Kingdom extends benefits to same-sex partners, and because of the annual gathering of people who don't fit into this guy's view of what is right, he said God was punishing the entire state..
 I heard about that. I just have come to understand that Falwell and Robertson know when they can push the limits and when they know what battles they can and cant fight. I dont think either one of us are the exception to the rule. Most people can tell when people are acting foolish.
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Indeed. But these are people that choose to read them, and understand the intent. I daresay that the average gamer is both more intelligent and more tolerant than the average non-gamer.
Those thousands aren't the problem. The problem is the millions who wouldn't even think of picking up a fantasy novel.
It seems like with that you are selling a Homeland movie .
Millions would not have a negative reaction to the trailer. You would see a baby born with purple eyes, some hook horrors, Drizzts father doing something cool special effects etc etc you would never know they are were evil so those millions would have to learn from watching the movie or hearing about it on the news if there was contrivercy.
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*blinks* Uh, chronologically, Homeland is first...
But you're right. It is unlikely. So perhaps we should let this debate die -- especially since we've been monopolizing the thread with a debate that doesn't directly pertain to the subject.
Thats the main reason I wanted to respond. I meant to say that chronological order is the only reason I see Homeland as being a tiny possibility.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Dec 2005 : 23:07:47
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squee37
Acolyte
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Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 05:30:24
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evermeet. definitely. it's the only one that, while reading, i was constantly contemplating the best ways to translate it to a screenplay.
also, i think for non-forgottenrealms fans, it would be the best possible introduction. it spans history. the only problem is that it would be twice as expensive to produce as was the LoTR movies combined.
still, it would grab unfamiliar viewers and never let go. |
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 06:20:15
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The thing about movies is that they rarely do a book justice. The LoTR movies left out quite a few important events, like the whole end of the story haha. I used to read all of Michael Crichton's books and it seemed all the movies fell short of how good the novel was. Would a FR movie have the kind of budget it would need to pull it off well?
On the other hand it a FR movie did come out I would be there to see it. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 09:42:34
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quote:
Originally posted by squee37
evermeet. definitely. it's the only one that, while reading, i was constantly contemplating the best ways to translate it to a screenplay.
also, i think for non-forgottenrealms fans, it would be the best possible introduction. it spans history. the only problem is that it would be twice as expensive to produce as was the LoTR movies combined.
still, it would grab unfamiliar viewers and never let go.
I'm not sure about that. Don't take me wrong -- I loved Evermeet, but it's composed of a chain of very many historical events, and there are a lot of characters that show up once and never again. Hard to squish it into one movie. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 14:25:32
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Unless you want it to be as confusing as Momento. If you did Evermeet that way, it might work.
At least Evermeet wouldn't be rock bottom on my list.
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 15:48:24
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| Yea Evermeet and Cormyr are just kind of a history of a place and speed through the history really quickly and at times I was a little confused myself. It was a good book, don't get me wrong, but I don't know if it would be such a great movie unaltered. |
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Rory
Seeker
79 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 20:12:28
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A buddy of mine is getting married out of state so I have to use my 360 money to go. I have never played Demon Stone. I think I will tell my gf to buy it and wrap it for Christmas with a couple other games.
The reason why I would rather have a fighting game over an action adventure game is that most action adventure games are stiff button smashers. I would love a 6-player action adventure game set up like Ninja Gaiden with Drizzt moving with the speed of Ryu when he uses the flails and Bruenor and Wulfgar moving like Ryu does with the large sword and the hammer. Give us the real events/enemies from the novels and it would be gorgeous. That’s why I would rather see this idea on next gen consoles because I don’t think the current gen could support 6 Ryu’s online with the speed we saw from Gaiden .
That said I would rather see a FR fighting game because it’s easier on a developer and just about every fighting game has horrible character concepts. It would be nice to hit the Japanese and American arcades with some real fantasy bloodshed. I think people would respond well to that Battlerager from Bruenor’s clan having a bloody battle with that Darkhope chick that leads the Zent’s military. Oooo that would be a brutal battle.
You know when you think about it a multiplayer adventure game and a multiplayer fighting game are almost one and the same anyway.
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 20:31:01
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| Hey, wrong topic? |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11827 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 22:47:19
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Stormlight
but only if they keep all the scenes where her clothes disappear.... and use Jessica Simpson or some other hottie as Storm. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 22:59:28
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Stormlight
but only if they keep all the scenes where her clothes disappear.... and use Jessica Simpson or some other hottie as Storm.
I'm with Sleyvas.
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2005 : 00:15:20
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| Isn't she a tad young to play Storm, though? I believe Ed's described the Seven Sisters as looking to be "in their late thirties, early forties but to damn good looking to care." (Not sure how exact that quote is.) And I think I'd prefer, say, Nicole Kidman anyway. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2005 : 00:18:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase
Isn't she a tad young to play Storm, though? I believe Ed's described the Seven Sisters as looking to be "in their late thirties, early forties but to damn good looking to care." (Not sure how exact that quote is.) And I think I'd prefer, say, Nicole Kidman anyway.
I actually think Kaje is more on the mark here... a silver-haired Kidman would make an intriguing cast choice for Storm.
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2005 : 00:44:27
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| And take up half the movie's budget. But let's dream |
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Which novel would you like made into a movie
