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Rory
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 Posted - 29 Nov 2005 : 04:51:24
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Coolness has nothing to do with it. Any perceived slight is going to get people up in arms -- and this one more than most. Heck, in addition to the albino example given above, people protested "ethnic stereotypes" in Phantom Menace. If people are going to decide that some alien is a mockery of a particular ethnicity, then there's no way you could pull off a Drizzt movie without protest.
I think Drow on the big screen might garner as much protest as the slangy servile Jar Jar Binks, or the dull witted villains who are the only swarthy men with accents in Aladdin, or the Soprano’s. In other words if the Drow are done right and it’s a great picture, or like Episode 1 it’s rides hype and popularity the good will outweigh the bad the movie will get good reviews and/or if it is hyped as the next LoTR it will make huge profits. Will there be protest? Maybe but did they hurt the Soprano’s, did they hurt Episode 1, did they hurt The Dukes of Hazzard, did they hurt Aladdin? If Drow were lazy, smoked crack and ate fried chicken all through the movie there would be problems , but Drow being Drow would not be that big of a deal. There are 300 million Americans its hard to do anything without a little flak. |
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Rory
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Posted - 29 Nov 2005 : 05:02:11
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Yeah, but we get new stories set in the Realms all the time, and many of them prove quite successful. As I've said before, even Drizzt was a new character, once.
There's thousands of untold Realms stories. Why not do one of them? Just because another new story, set in no specific setting, failed to grab people, it doesn't mean that a new Realms tale would do the same.
Ah I see your point. You are saying take the next stand alone trilogy or single story from a hot FR’s author and use that. That would stand a better chance then the D&D movie that played out like square market executives who got their jobs through nepotism wrote it. I don’t have the confidence. That D&D movie is strike one and as anal as Hasbro and wizard are when it comes to taking chances I don’t think I’m the only one who would rather go with an old faithful.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Nov 2005 : 05:02:44
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Well, first you would have to get the Hollywood execs to actually realize that dark elves aren't black. The studios really would be your first hurdle. I'm not saying that the movie was great or anything, but Spawn, which was really riding high in popularity when the movie deal came about, almost had its budget slashed in half when the executives thought it would be a "black" movie because the main character, his wife, and best friend were all black, so they told Todd McFarlane that he had to change one of them to a white guy, so as to appeal to the whole movie going public.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 29 Nov 2005 : 05:34:57
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Yeah, but we get new stories set in the Realms all the time, and many of them prove quite successful. As I've said before, even Drizzt was a new character, once.
There's thousands of untold Realms stories. Why not do one of them? Just because another new story, set in no specific setting, failed to grab people, it doesn't mean that a new Realms tale would do the same.
Ah I see your point. You are saying take the next stand alone trilogy or single story from a hot FR’s author and use that. That would stand a better chance then the D&D movie that played out like square market executives who got their jobs through nepotism wrote it. I don’t have the confidence. That D&D movie is strike one and as anal as Hasbro and wizard are when it comes to taking chances I don’t think I’m the only one who would rather go with an old faithful.
So you don't have faith in them to properly do a new tale, but you think they could properly do an existing one? That's a bit of faith I can't even begin to think of having.
Heck, it took what, three tries before there was a successful Lord of the Rings movie? Peter Jackson may have done an awesome job, but his was not the first attempt -- and the previous attempts, by all acounts, were horrible. And yet, the story was the same... I've seen countless other novels, even bestsellers, get horribly mangled by Hollywood.
I have less than zero confidence in Hollywood to make a reasonable adaptation of a Realms novel. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 29 Nov 2005 : 05:36:45
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There are 300 million Americans its hard to do anything without a little flak.
Yeah, but starting off by alienating half of your target audience isn't the way to make a successful movie. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 29 Nov 2005 : 15:17:06
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So you'd rather have them make no movie at all?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 29 Nov 2005 : 17:02:30
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So you'd rather have them make no movie at all?
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Nope -- just not a movie on an existing book, as I've said more than once. Tell a new tale, like all the other writers in the Realms have done. |
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hooper101
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 29 Nov 2005 : 19:05:27
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Nov 2005 : 21:06:30
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Well, I could see a new movie script written with no book to base it off. It might be the best course if we were trying to get the total realms feeling - like a journey from the Dales to Waterdeep, or something like that.
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Ignorance Personified
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Posted - 29 Nov 2005 : 21:18:21
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Nope -- just not a movie on an existing book, as I've said more than once. Tell a new tale, like all the other writers in the Realms have done.
I agree, but it would be interesting for the movie to be related to a novel in some way. For example, a movie centered on Artemis' journey to find Regis (i.e. From Calimport to the opening scene of Streams of Silver in Icewind Dale) or on a hero's unfortunate encounter with Entreri. Consequently, the movie would be more than a rehash of an existing story, but also stimulate interest among the readers who enjoyed the novel/series.
Another example:A movie centered around the Serpent's dealings during the Songs and Swords sextet(or what will soon be a sextet).
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J D Dunsany
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 00:18:40
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I think I am still just looking at it from a marketing perspective. I think the Drizzt novels would be the easiest to get as most of them make the NY Times Best Sellers. And a lot of people are familiar with them.
As for the creativity - a great many books would be decent movies. But I would go for the Crystal Shard (the trilogy even) or the Azure Bonds.
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Just finishing up Azure Bonds for the first time and have to agree that it would make an excellent movie.
The problem with threads like this, though, is that whenever I read a FR book, I inevitably end up picturing it as a movie in my mind. Most of the FR books are very cinematic in style - I recently finished reading the Cormyr trilogy and there are some quite frankly stunning set pieces (I suppose I'd better not list my favourite moments for fear of spoilers and, perhaps, boring you all to death ) that are crying out for a decent film treatment, but, at the same time, I'd have to concede that those novels would probably make terrible films because of the amount of back story necessary to 'get' them in the first place. (An epic Cormyr mini-series based on the first book might work, though...) Most mainstream cinemagoers aren't going to be prepared to invest that amount of intellectual energy just to make sense of a three hour fantasy movie. (I could be wrong about that. I'm in two minds as to whether 'The Lord of the Rings' trilogy proves my point or contradicts it...)
I suppose a key question that we're all sort of addressing here is: What makes the Realms so distinctive and which elements are sacrosanct if you want a Realms movie to be 'authentic'? Is it landscape and geography? Certainly, the member who suggested some kind of epic journey that took in key places in the Realms is almost certainly onto something. If, as a film-maker, you've got one shot at doing a Realms film, then you'll want to show off as much of it as you can reasonably get away with.
Is it the lore? Hard to get across on screen, perhaps, but, even if the film didn't feature people like Elminster and Drizzt, accurate references to them from the principle characters, together with, perhaps, lines about far-reaching Realms events like King Azoun's demise or the Time of Troubles would go a long way to making the film feel 'right'.
For me, though, for any FR film to feel successful, it also has to have original characters that transcend the stereotypes of the fantasy genre. One of the biggest disappointments for me of the Dungeons and Dragons movie was the fact that so many of the characters encountered were cliches. The best Realms fiction (actually, most of it, to be fair) creates characters that live in the mind, because they're not solely defined by what gamers know as class and race. (Or even prestige class and sub-race!) Any FR film worth its salt would need to follow this fine tradition and, although it couldn't hope to capture adequately the sheer scale and richness of the Realms, it could certainly hint at it and give the cinema-going public a taste of what we've all been enjoying for many years.
Am I hopeful that it could be done? I don't know enough about the film industry to make a meaningful comment, but it seems to me that, with big budget adaptations of books like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and now C S Lewis' Narnia stories, now is as good a time as any, although, of course, Hollywood has its own cliches to be negotiated.
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darkcrow
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 03:11:21
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And thats what I would fear the most. They have a tendencie to take a beautiful story and chop it up to all the 9 hells.
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So you don't have faith in them to properly do a new tale, but you think they could properly do an existing one? That's a bit of faith I can't even begin to think of having.
Heck, it took what, three tries before there was a successful Lord of the Rings movie? Peter Jackson may have done an awesome job, but his was not the first attempt -- and the previous attempts, by all acounts, were horrible. And yet, the story was the same... I've seen countless other novels, even bestsellers, get horribly mangled by Hollywood.
I have less than zero confidence in Hollywood to make a reasonable adaptation of a Realms novel.
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darkcrow
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 03:23:29
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You know the characters don't have to be black. Drow skin is like a dark ash black. You can have the Asian play the drow and use some martial arts since Drizzt and his father Zak have alot of the arts in thier fighting style.quote:
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Coolness has nothing to do with it. Any perceived slight is going to get people up in arms -- and this one more than most. Heck, in addition to the albino example given above, people protested "ethnic stereotypes" in Phantom Menace. If people are going to decide that some alien is a mockery of a particular ethnicity, then there's no way you could pull off a Drizzt movie without protest.
I think Drow on the big screen might garner as much protest as the slangy servile Jar Jar Binks, or the dull witted villains who are the only swarthy men with accents in Aladdin, or the Soprano’s. In other words if the Drow are done right and it’s a great picture, or like Episode 1 it’s rides hype and popularity the good will outweigh the bad the movie will get good reviews and/or if it is hyped as the next LoTR it will make huge profits. Will there be protest? Maybe but did they hurt the Soprano’s, did they hurt Episode 1, did they hurt The Dukes of Hazzard, did they hurt Aladdin? If Drow were lazy, smoked crack and ate fried chicken all through the movie there would be problems, but Drow being Drow would not be that big of a deal. There are 300 million Americans its hard to do anything without a little flak.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 04:31:53
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You know the characters don't have to be black. Drow skin is like a dark ash black. You can have the Asian play the drow and use some martial arts since Drizzt and his father Zak have alot of the arts in thier fighting style.
Drow skin tone was originally jet black -- that only changed in 3E because the artists couldn't figure out how to make black skin, and/or never bothered to read the descriptions. So, rather than do something radical like demand that the art conform to the descriptions, the PTB decided to rewrite the description. (  )
In a movie, if they took that easy out and dropped in another apparent ethnicity, again pointing out that the entire race is evil, you have the exact same issue.
And what would the fan reaction be? Yeah, a lot of Drizzt fans can't be bothered to spell his name correctly, but even people like me, who think Drizzt has way too much air time already, would protest them changing the appearance of an entire race.
There's just no way around that particular issue. |
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Rory
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 08:58:41
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Well, first you would have to get the Hollywood execs to actually realize that dark elves aren't black. The studios really would be your first hurdle. I'm not saying that the movie was great or anything, but Spawn, which was really riding high in popularity when the movie deal came about, almost had its budget slashed in half when the executives thought it would be a "black" movie because the main character, his wife, and best friend were all black, so they told Todd McFarlane that he had to change one of them to a white guy, so as to appeal to the whole movie going public.
Personally, I think it would be a nightmare.
Even if you could explain to them that its not a black movie that’s just one hurdle and I don’t even think it’s the highest. A bigger problem with a movie based on Homeland would be the fact that they are all elves. Its tough enough to pitch a fantasy movie with humans dwarves halflings and all the trimmings now you want a cast that almost all evil, all elves, and the only way to make them look authentic is to digitally add black skin to every elf. How much would that cost? If it were not for the popularity of Dirzzt and the charisma of Drow I would say Homeland was completely unmarketable. Also a good comic book, and a year of hype like the Xmen and Spiderman movies got might make Homeland somewhat marketable too.
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So you don't have faith in them to properly do a new tale, but you think they could properly do an existing one? That's a bit of faith I can't even begin to think of having.
If wizards did what you are suggesting and took a hot author and used his or her next story for a movie I would have equal faith. I just don’t think that’s a likely scenario. Hasbro and wizards seem too conservative to make a movie. I think whats more likely is that a Forgotten Realms game will sell real well and Hollywood will exploit it in the worse way. Matter of fact I thinking of working on a Baldurs Gate script to combat that scenario. The other thing I see happening is some Hollywood director, producer, or a major agency will come across some of the better existing work and they will be inspired to make a movie. That’s usually what happens with fantasy movies. I think the latter is more likely as the FR fans get older, better connected and maybe more mainstream. Its not that I have less faith in an original story from wizards I just think its more likely that a movie based on a novel would be inspired by someone who really loves one of the novels while an original story will be Hollywood taking advantage of a name or license.
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Yeah, but starting off by alienating half of your target audience isn't the way to make a successful movie.
Its not that big of a deal. To properly portray Drow you don’t need any one ethnicity you need money to digitally blacken everyone’s skin. Many ethnicities could play Drow. It would be difficult to use an all black cast because Drow don’t have the popular African features or any popular human features for that matter and many who have pure black skin like Drow have popular African features. While I don’t believe their evil ways alone would be enough to stir much controversy I do believe having cast without black people playing Drow might. Here we would have a bunch of non-black people in “black face” pretending to be evil. That might be too much like the days when white people played Ancient Egyptians. That might be controversial but the simple remedy is to just use black people too. Not all blacks have the popular African features. I think Ethiopians would make the best Drow. Think about it if someone offered you 150K to direct Homeland would you turn it down? Maybe cool is the wrong word. The movie would have to be artistic. After all Drizzt said that what he saw in Calimport was worse then what grew up with in Menzoberranzan. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 11:34:21
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yeah, but starting off by alienating half of your target audience isn't the way to make a successful movie.
Its not that big of a deal. To properly portray Drow you don’t need any one ethnicity you need money to digitally blacken everyone’s skin. Many ethnicities could play Drow. It would be difficult to use an all black cast because Drow don’t have the popular African features or any popular human features for that matter and many who have pure black skin like Drow have popular African features. While I don’t believe their evil ways alone would be enough to stir much controversy I do believe having cast without black people playing Drow might. Here we would have a bunch of non-black people in “black face” pretending to be evil. That might be too much like the days when white people played Ancient Egyptians. That might be controversial but the simple remedy is to just use black people too. Not all blacks have the popular African features. I think Ethiopians would make the best Drow. Think about it if someone offered you 150K to direct Homeland would you turn it down? Maybe cool is the wrong word. The movie would have to be artistic. After all Drizzt said that what he saw in Calimport was worse then what grew up with in Menzoberranzan.
It doesn't matter who plays the drow, or how they turn them into dark-skinned elves. What matters is the end result: an entire race of murderous, dark-skinned people. That's what's going to get the reaction, not the actors. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 14:46:32
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We could just all face the music and realize this conversation is naught as FR will probably never get a movie (though not by my choice) and any D&D movie will now be seen not only as a LotR ripoff, but quite possibly a Narnia ripoff as well. There's a reason D&D had to end up on SciFi..
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Dhomal
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 17:36:40
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Hello-
About 3 weeks ago I drove several hundred miles to meet/see R A Salvatore at one of his last booksignings for his newest book.
He was a pretty good speaker - and started off with a general 'this is who I am' sort of thing - but - he made it intentionally short - as he said that he enjoys Q&A more than his own discourse. He mentioned that if he had to say the same - or relatively the same 'speech' over and over - he would get bored at booksignings - and do them even less often.
So - cut to the chase - someone asked about seeing one of his books as a movie.
While I fear I cannot quote him directly - the general answer is - He beleives that it will happen one day - but that he wants it to stand up on its own - and not be thought of as a 'ride the LOtR coattails' sort of thing. Also - and what is somewhat More interesting is that he mentioned that discussions about just such a project have Already occured - but that it was discussions - nothing was finalized - and that it seemed from the tone etc of his comment - that they were also ended. So - people in Hollywood and WotC are at least open to the idea, but again - the circumstances must be 'just right'.
In my opinion I think that what this translates to is this: Someone was interested in doing XYZ Salvatore book(s) as a movie(s) - but an agreement could not be reached - again - in my opinion - probably because the studio/director were not flexible enough to allow Salvotore/WotC/Greenwood the degree of control over the project that they would require to allow the movie to move forward.
In any case - I thought that this tidbit from his Q&A was very insightful. That and his personal gaming story of the character with the wand of wonder! LOL
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 19:09:36
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I think there are some books that lend themselves to a cinematic style, and some that don't. (And that's not a criticism by any means -- just a style of writing difference.)
Some of the novels have a huge scope and have casts of thousands, while some stay small.
Some novels are constantly shifting in perspective, some are rammed in one character. Some are shot through an unchanging panorama, some you can feel the camera angles as you read.
Perhaps here's the question: what Realms novels LEND themselves to becoming a movie?
Erik
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 20:07:28
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Ok, Erik, I'll help you out - from what I've read in Ghostwalker, it seems fit for a movie.
Also, I really like Azure Bonds - it's focus against multiple bad guys is really good, and could me made into a movie such as Kill Bill, with two volumes, that way all the bad guys could be explored.
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Faraer
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 20:10:26
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The virtues of the Realms are all fairly subtle: seen blurrily from a distance it's not artistically or commercially distinctive. For the Realms to really come through on screen, you'd need a good script that survived the Hollywood rewrite process, a director who got it, and a crew who got it too. That latter point is, I think, much of why the Lord of the Rings films worked as well as they did and why that may not be reproducible, at least in Hollywood. In some ways an independent film stands a better chance, but when did Hasbro license its properties to independent film-makers? Whether a Realms-in-name-only film might do more good than harm, I don't know.
A Drizzt film would confirm Hollywood's idea that the Realms is about drow, even though on an artistic level it could succeed without being a Realms film in the more ambitious sense.
Incidentally, here's a quote from a recent J.G. Ballard essay on Michael Powell that I agree with strongly:quote:
My guess is that the serious novel of the future will be serious in the way that Powell's and Hitchcock's films are serious, where the psychological drama has migrated from inside the characters' heads to the world around them. This is true to everyday life, where we know little about the real nature of the people around us, and less about ourselves than we think, but are highly sensitive to the surrounding atmosphere.
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hooper101
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 20:24:59
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| Hey how about a movie about a bunch of gamers playing D&D and then they have an encounter with a kind hearted abandoned alien! Now thats a plot, millions I tell you! |
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J D Dunsany
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 21:26:49
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Hey how about a movie about a bunch of gamers playing D&D and then they have an encounter with a kind hearted abandoned alien! Now thats a plot millions I tell you!
Funnily enough, I had a conversation with my sixth formers about ET this morning. About how D&D seemed such a weird, obscure, but undeniably cool activity to be engaged in. I wonder how many people got lured into the murky world of gaming by that film... (I must admit it might not have been directly responsible for my initiation into D&D, but it certainly sowed some seeds.) |
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hooper101
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 22:01:05
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| Or how about a movie where a group of teenagers is sucked through a warp hole in a rollercoaster ride and met by a little man who looks suprisingly like a frog. This man then gives them powerful weapons and sends them on adventures! Yes and it could all happen in the realms! |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 23:22:27
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Or how about a movie where a group of teenagers is sucked through a warp hole in a rollercoaster ride and met by a little man who looks suprisingly like a frog. This man then gives them powerful weapons and sends them on adventures! Yes and it could all happen in the realms!
There is actually a one-shot comic book that features older versions of the kids from the cartoon (Bobby got huge!) in the Realms. I believe it's called A Grand Tour of the Realms. The plot is lame: Presto wants to apprentice to Elminster, so they go to Shadowdale. Presto talks to Elminster, who takes him along as he teleports about the Realms, casting spells here and observing that there. The art wasn't hot, either: it's hard to tell how old the characters really are, because of the way they're drawn.
Someone told me that in one of the computer games (one of the Baldur's Gate ones, I believe, there's a portrait of the characters on the wall of a shop. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 00:31:40
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Hey, that cartoon was a staple classic. You can even buy episodes of it on DVD over in England. I bought the series on DVD - pretty good quality - but Dungeon Master is a scary dude.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 02:24:02
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Hey, that cartoon was a staple classic. You can even buy episodes of it on DVD over in England. I bought the series on DVD - pretty good quality - but Dungeon Master is a scary dude.
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I wish they'd release it over here... I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I used to love that cartoon.
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Rory
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 10:48:35
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Actually, they should do Forsaken House - if only to see who they would cast as Sarya Dlardrageth!
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I’m about 30% through that book and it does have a theatrical quality to it.
The chapters shift like scenes in a movie. One paragraph starts off with. “And now the Queen”!! as the queen of Evermeet is introduced. So far Forsaken House reads like an easy translation into a movie. |
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Rory
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 10:59:30
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It doesn't matter who plays the drow, or how they turn them into dark-skinned elves. What matters is the end result: an entire race of murderous, dark-skinned people. That's what's going to get the reaction, not the actors.
I disagree I think it does matter. Without using any black actors I believe Drow might be seen as mocking to some if there were no black actors it would be like a replay of Lotr where the only black actors were orcs. What your saying is there skin alone would be offensive. I agree maybe to like one percent of angry militant nuts. If Black people were angry every time the color black was used in cogitation with evil they would have no peace at all. You might as well say old people will have a reaction because Drow have white hair. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 11:42:30
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Originally posted by Rory
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It doesn't matter who plays the drow, or how they turn them into dark-skinned elves. What matters is the end result: an entire race of murderous, dark-skinned people. That's what's going to get the reaction, not the actors.
I disagree I think it does matter. Without using any black actors I believe Drow might be seen as mocking to some if there were no black actors it would be like a replay of Lotr where the only black actors were orcs. What your saying is there skin alone would be offensive. I agree maybe to like one percent of angry militant nuts. If Black people were angry every time the color black was used in cogitation with evil they would have no peace at all. You might as well say old people will have a reaction because Drow have white hair.
Yes, I am saying that skin alone would be offensive. As I pointed out with The Da Vinci Code, we've already got examples of that... And this is more than just saying "black = evil". This is saying "okay, so there's this race of people with black skin. And every single one of them, except for this one guy, is an evil murderous git, one who would kill his or her own mother if it was convenient. To these folks, murder, deceit, lies and torture are acceptable methods of advancement."
That kind of thing would be offensive to a lot of people. Your "angry militant nuts" would be the most vocal, but they'd hardly be lone voices of dissension. Even moderate folks would be uneasy at what could be perceived as a direct racial slur like that. |
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Which novel would you like made into a movie
