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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
 Posted - 08 Nov 2005 : 21:30:33
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Poll Question:
Interesting comment by Rich Baker over at WOTC
"We're toying with the idea of if/how/when we could do Undermountain, but there's nothing concrete I can tell you yet. It would be a ways out still (not 2006), so that's just a little too far down the road to make any promises."
So if they did do one how would you like WOTC to do it
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1) A Worlds largest Dungeon style product, Worlds largest dungeon was a massive dungeon crawl.
According to Amazon
"Over 900,000 words and 16 full color 22x17 in poster maps of adventure in the largest dungeon gaming has ever known!"
"The largest d20 system book ever made."
"Over 1,600 rooms and encounters."
It retails for around $69 USD
2) A series: basicly every year WOTC release a 160 page source book detailing 1 level of Undermoutain
3) Rooms of Undermoutain: Basicly what weve been getting in from the WOTC website
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2005 : 21:39:36
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| I rather like the idea of a continuing series of rooms presented on the website actually (which is why I voted for Rooms of Undermountain), since the other two options would be either too expensive (exhibit A), or take space from other sourcebooks (exhibit B). |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2005 : 22:06:42
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Room by room will take alot longer than a series of "level source books"
Remember where only getting an Undermoutain room every 2 weeks so over a year thats 25 rooms...... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2005 : 23:44:52
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I like the idea of a series... detailing one level per book. We'd get plenty of great lore on each level and it would ensure that a lot of the more hinted at themes and tidbits from the original boxed sets had a chance to be expanded upon.
Undermountain is such an intriguing location, that it deserves a special type of sourcebook to fully explore and appreciate it.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2005 : 23:58:53
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| My problem with the World's Largest Dungeon was never the concept of doing one huge dungeon in one fell swoop-in fact, I think the idea's great. Rather, my problem has been with the sheer lack of variety and originality in the WLD...I think an original, creative dungeon like Undermountain could make the format very interesting and usable. Hence, I vote for the 960+ page sourcebook. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36966 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 00:47:16
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Originally posted by The Sage
I like the idea of a series... detailing one level per book. We'd get plenty of great lore on each level and it would ensure that a lot of the more hinted at themes and tidbits from the original boxed sets had a chance to be expanded upon.
Undermountain is such an intriguing location, that it deserves a special type of sourcebook to fully explore and appreciate it.
That's my opinion, too. Undermountain needs a good write-up like that, and the annual supplement idea would be cheaper than the World's Largest Dungeon idea.  |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 09 Nov 2005 00:54:17 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 01:19:43
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I think that they should follow a similar model to the original introduction to UnderMountain. Have a sourcebook that details the generalities of UnderMountain . . . Halaster, Encounter Tables, Random Occurances, Monsters, Magic, The Yawning Portal, part of level one, and maybe an adventure or two, then after the introductory sourcebook you could have supplements that deal with various parts of the different levels. Not unlike having the boxed set, the second boxed set, and the three adventures set there.
And Skullport definately needs some 3.5 loving beyond its update in CoS, though that was appreciated (and if your reading this, thanks Paul for not destroying it. It may be an abomination to the noble heart, but its a Waterdeep DMs best friend, lol). |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 02:32:12
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I am with the one large book form. I would definitely love to see what wonders would be introduced to us, especially in the new 3E mask.
Skullport does indeed need a complete update!
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 02:56:57
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Originally posted by Kajehase
I rather like the idea of a continuing series of rooms presented on the website actually (which is why I voted for Rooms of Undermountain), since the other two options would be either too expensive (exhibit A), or take space from other sourcebooks (exhibit B).
I have to agree |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 03:24:42
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Originally posted by The Sage
I like the idea of a series... detailing one level per book. We'd get plenty of great lore on each level and it would ensure that a lot of the more hinted at themes and tidbits from the original boxed sets had a chance to be expanded upon.
Undermountain is such an intriguing location, that it deserves a special type of sourcebook to fully explore and appreciate it.
I'm with Sage on this one. This would be awesome in every aspect if done properly. Then of course we could have new box set :) |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 11:02:01
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Originally posted by Slime Lord
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Originally posted by The Sage
I like the idea of a series... detailing one level per book. We'd get plenty of great lore on each level and it would ensure that a lot of the more hinted at themes and tidbits from the original boxed sets had a chance to be expanded upon.
Undermountain is such an intriguing location, that it deserves a special type of sourcebook to fully explore and appreciate it.
I'm with Sage on this one. This would be awesome in every aspect if done properly. Then of course we could have new box set :)
I´m with you, guys!
If this is well done, it´s be wonderful!
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Keravin
Seeker
50 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 11:55:38
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| Given I'm more interested in the higher levels the level by level would suit me better and also be easier on the pocket. Ptolus is my big book purchase next year. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 12:54:12
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Originally posted by Keravin
Ptolus is my big book purchase next year.
Aye! And mine as well.
Monte's also hinted at another massive update for the content of the book -- throwing it well over the 800-900+ page limit it's at now  .
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 21:58:02
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| What is this Ptolus? |
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hooper101
Learned Scribe
USA
117 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 22:03:36
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| I am all for a slow climb! Why not bleed every drop of info we can get and enjoy the ideas. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 22:30:21
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Originally posted by Slime Lord
What is this Ptolus?
3rd party book by Monte Cook. :)
http://www.montecook.com/cgi-bin/page.cgi?ptolus |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2005 : 00:33:45
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| Interesting...I'm still a bit lost but interesting. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2005 : 00:37:59
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| Frankly, I'd like to see WotC to move on to some place new. There are plenty of other dungeons in the Realms other than Undermountain. |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
1089 Posts |
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Saime
Acolyte
Denmark
21 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2005 : 15:27:45
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The second option. Mega-books like World’s Largest Dungeon are of no interest to me. And a room by room approach is too tedious for my taste.
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Fletcher
Learned Scribe
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2005 : 17:23:52
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I personally hate it when i lose one small but important book in a series. finding that particular book is usually difficult to impossible. Other people have it, but are unwilling to part with it...
I would love to have it all in one really mammoth, Websters dictionary styl, book rather than in the Encyclopedia set. |
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Vangelor
Learned Scribe
USA
183 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2005 : 10:05:53
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I am trying to imagine the book. I see something as thick as it is wide. It would have to weigh something like twenty-five pounds. A full-page illustration to fit on the spine. That would be a must-have.  |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 13:28:49
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| I also would like the multi volume series. Every 6 month would be awesome. And they would definately have to make one for EVERY level, not just the top three. It would be great. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 17:11:23
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| The second option would be three times the page count per level than Ruins of Undermountain. That's overkill compared to all the other subjects due for covering, and a bigger and less likely commitment from Wizards (along with a chance of the lower levels, again, not making it into print). |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 02:48:24
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| The issue with undermountain is a combination of cost (how many designers, cartographers, artists, editors, and developers do you need), time, and production length. It would be hard to do something like the World's Largest Dungeon with a realms product. It would eat up so much design time. I think we're better off with a larger number of smaller dungeons. |
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Julian Grimm
Seeker
86 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 04:33:30
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I'd like to see the one level per book approach. Troll Lord Games is trying this with their Castle Zagyg series. However they are not getting the books out fast enough.
I'd like to see WOTC's take on something similar and maybe light a fire under TLG to finally produce the second book in CZ. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 11:47:17
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Eytan, thanks for your input here. A series of Undermountain books would also suffer from the sales fall-off that happens with numbered series: except that unlike, say, the FR sourcebooks and the Harpers novels, not having the early ones really would make the later ones less worthwhile to you. I have to think that a big book -- 300 or 400 pages rather than the World's Largest Dungeon's 800+ -- is a better prospect, even if it we'd prefer a really full treatment. There's only one Undermountain, i.e. it has the same 'only we can publish the Realms' appeal that Erik Mona has noted for Dragon and Dungeon -- and it has good crossover potential.
Development of CZ is held up by Gary Gygax's stroke and the fact that Rob Kuntz isn't a full-time writer. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 00:38:47
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| So any chance still of an UM Product? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 02:01:10
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Originally posted by Alisttair
So any chance still of an UM Product?
Well Kuje did say that Wizards are thinking of doing boxsets again |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 04:18:04
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Alisttair
So any chance still of an UM Product?
Well Kuje did say that Wizards are thinking of doing boxsets again
That would be good. Boxsets are very handy, being able to store your maps and extra notes and all. Here's hoping! |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 15:01:45
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| A series would be best I think! A new series of boxed sets would be too much to ask for, I guess?!?! |
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