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Kianna
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 04 Nov 2005 : 18:37:36
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1)How old is he?
2)What did he do before he was a Lord of Waterdeep?
3)Why is he the only unmasked Lord?
What's his deal anyway? I can't decide if he's cool or not. Help?
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 : 20:04:19
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You can get good answers from City of Splendors. :) I don't have it with me, so here are my answers off the top of my head:
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Originally posted by Kianna
1)How old is he?
I think at least 100? Way older than he looks.
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2)What did he do before he was a Lord of Waterdeep?
I recall that he was a member of the City Guard.
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3)Why is he the only unmasked Lord?
Because the last Open Lord wanted him as a replacement. 
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What's his deal anyway? I can't decide if he's cool or not. Help?
You'll have to answer that for yourself. I think he's a nice guy though.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 : 22:56:26
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Since Waterdeep has had Hidden Lords, there's been an Open Lord. I imagine it's to reassure the populace about their leaders. The rest may be secret, but here's one that they can point to, talk about, and talk to. In essence, he's the spokesman for the Lords.
Having an Open Lord gives a face to the Hidden Lords, and makes them less mysterious -- therefore, more trustworthy. |
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 : 22:58:46
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| So he's human right? WHen is he going to die? 100 years in D&D is really really old for a human. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 : 22:59:38
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I will not re-open this debate - but I believe Piergeiron is pulling an Emperor Palpatine here.
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 : 23:06:11
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| Oh, was there a scroll on this already? Oops.... :) |
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hooper101
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 : 23:34:09
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| Isn't he the leader of the Paladins in waterdeep, if it is who I am thinking of the whole paladin thing should explain. He is as old or older than Khelben Blackstaff and they are friends. Read "Thornhold" hes in there and a pretty major character for a flat one. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 : 23:43:07
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Isn't he the leader of the Paladins in waterdeep, if it is who I am thinking of the whole paladin thing should explain. He is as old or older than Khelben Blackstaff and they are friends. Read "Thornhold" hes in there and a pretty major character for a flat one.
Piergerion is not older then Khelben. :) |
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Shadovar
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 : 00:11:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Kianna
1)How old is he?
2)What did he do before he was a Lord of Waterdeep?
3)Why is he the only unmasked Lord?
What's his deal anyway? I can't decide if he's cool or not. Help?
Answers to Questions:
1) Heard he is past 50 years old or about 50 years old. But that does not mean he is nearing "retirement" age.
2) He was a paladin and officer of the city guard before Lhestyn made him a hidden Lord, then onwards to become an Open Lord.
3) Don't think so, even Khelben "voluntarily" unmasked himself as one of the Lords. But why he was the only unmasked lord, hmmm....this I think was part of Lhestyn wishes or maybe the law demands that a Open Lord must be "unmasked".
Cool or Not? Strange question, well in my eyes, he is uh...cool enough for he afterall had slain one of the mighty wyrms, a mighty red wyrm I think but I apologise if I do not know the name of the wyrm. But so far, he hasn't been involved in much action lately. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 : 00:14:56
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Originally posted by hooper101
Read "Thornhold" hes in there and a pretty major character for a flat one.
As well as Ed and Elaine's The City of Splendors: A Novel... It contains a fairly intriguing portrayal of Piergerion.
EDITED AGAIN -- Wooly already answered the bit about Khelben's unmasking. Cunning hamster .
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Edited by - The Sage on 05 Nov 2005 00:19:11 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 : 00:15:37
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Originally posted by Shadovar
3) Don't think so, even Khelben "voluntarily" unmasked himself as one of the Lords. But why he was the only unmasked lord, hmmm....this I think was part of Lhestyn wishes or maybe the law demands that a Open Lord must be "unmasked".
Yeah, but when Khelben did that, he was (temporarily, it turned out) resigning his position as a Lord. So it's not the same thing. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 : 00:23:09
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Originally posted by Shadovar
1) Heard he is past 50 years old or about 50 years old. But that does not mean he is nearing "retirement" age.
I don't think you can ever consider yourself "completely" retired from a position among the Lords, even if you no longer have a place of power among them.
I get the feeling from what we know about them, that, if and when, Piergieron stands down, he'll still have a lot of "unofficial" pull with those who remain with the Lords... lending his voice and years of experience to new members who may be brought into the ruling body.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2005 : 00:41:51
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Emperor Piergeiron will never step down - it is his destiny to rule Waterdeep - else he wouldn't take those potions to make him younger.
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 : 03:41:00
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Hooper's right on one level--Piergeiron is far older than Khelben's public persona. After all, for the 99% of the Realms who believes him to be Lhestyn's and Zelphar's son, he's only 54 or so, which means Piergeiron was around to greet him and change his diapers.
Never mind that WE know Khelben was one of the mentors of the first Open Lord Ahghairon..... |
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warlockco
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2005 : 05:55:29
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| So how long will he reign before stepping down? Will he pass the title on to his kids or something like that? Doesn't he want to go retire and live in Florida? |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2005 : 09:24:10
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| Heard that Piergeiron is trying to groom and train his daughter Aleena Palidinstar into the next Open Lord. But his daughter seems to have not much interest in being an Open Lord, heard she wanted to join Force Grey which Piergeiron forbids. |
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- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 : 13:55:29
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Asking Ed about Piergeiron's intended heir(s) would be a good move, methinks. I'm not about to speculate on to whom the Open Lordship should go, as Ed knows vastly more on the subject.
As for whether or not he retires, I'm still waiting for the definitive book / novel on Piergeiron before he gets put out to pasture. Then again, we're waiting on the same for Mirt, Durnan, the Company of Crazed Venturers, etc. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 : 15:45:45
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
As for whether or not he retires, I'm still waiting for the definitive book / novel on Piergeiron before he gets put out to pasture. Then again, we're waiting on the same for Mirt, Durnan, the Company of Crazed Venturers, etc.
Oh, something for Mirt would be grand! It could focus on his early years... peeling back the veil just a little, telling us more about how he became known as "Mirt the Merciless".
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 Nov 2005 : 02:28:06
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A novel about Mirt would be nice, but truth be told I'm actually pretty satisfied with him being in many novels (like City of Splendors) and starring in tons of short stories.
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Since Waterdeep has had Hidden Lords, there's been an Open Lord. I imagine it's to reassure the populace about their leaders. The rest may be secret, but here's one that they can point to, talk about, and talk to. In essence, he's the spokesman for the Lords.
Exactly--I know I wouldn't want to live under a government where *every* ruler's identity was kept a secret.
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2005 : 04:17:43
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But I would also be worried that a few of them ARE masked.
Oh well. Hopefully P-diddy will step down soon before it becomes Empire Waterdeep. :) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 Nov 2005 : 04:33:41
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Originally posted by Kianna
But I would also be worried that a few of them ARE masked.
Oh well. Hopefully P-diddy will step down soon before it becomes Empire Waterdeep. :)
I think I know what you're saying, but he IS a good Lord (I agree that City of Splendors features a nice portrayal of this character). |
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hooper101
Learned Scribe
USA
117 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2005 : 20:56:31
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| He seemed to be older than Khel when they had the prolouge in Thornhold, anymore than that would be a spoiler. |
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 03:15:00
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Kinda feels like the Masons...a bunch'a old guys running a country. :)
I am fine with P as Lord for now, I was just wondering why he hasn't retired. You'd think he'd want a vacation or something. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 04:06:01
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Well, if he stays around too long as the open lord, I am sure the populace of Waterdeep may begin to question his fitness to rule. Unless he pulls a Castro - which may well happen.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2005 : 01:15:36
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I don't know, he seems like the type of guy who will eventually step down gracefully. |
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2005 : 02:24:38
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Nov 2005 : 05:55:12
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When the over-arcing plot requires it |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 10 Nov 2005 : 14:32:54
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I don't know - it seems like Piergieron is not the only Lord desperately clinging on to youth to rule over Waterdeep. Durnan should also be dead by medieval average death age as well, yet he's still kickin' around - most likely by magic.
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2005 : 14:52:49
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Oh the joys of magic and emperors....:)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Nov 2005 : 18:06:46
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
I don't know - it seems like Piergieron is not the only Lord desperately clinging on to youth to rule over Waterdeep. Durnan should also be dead by medieval average death age as well, yet he's still kickin' around - most likely by magic.
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Ed has confirmed that Mirt and Durnan are old -- much older than the 120+ I suggested, at that time. |
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