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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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 Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 18:12:07
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Originally posted by Kaysae
Also, I hope the reprecussions of Final Gate are addressed fairly soonish (either more novels or a game update), because that really can't just be left to sit there (like the Return of the Archwizards has).
RotAW is addressed in at least some way in the campaign arc beginning on page 58. |
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johnsric
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 18:50:07
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[quote]Originally posted by Dargoth
One of the guys over at Enworld said there where some rather bad editing problems in PoF
"Within 10 minutes of reading the book I found major problems with one of the prestige classes, the Herald.
1. It doesn't have a BAB or save progression.
2. It doesn't list the hit die granted.
3. It has a table labeled 'Court Herald Spells Known', but doesn't detail spells per day.
4. It only has 11 levels of progression in the 'Spells Known' table. It has a power listed at level 12. That power, 'you gain spell resistance equal to your character level', is effectively useless. You can't get this power until you're at least character level 19. What good is SR19 to a 19th level character?
In short, the prestige class, as published, is completely unplayable."
Later on Mike Mearls (THE WOTC editor for PoF)posted the following
"The buck for any errors made in this book stops with me. I'm out of the office right now (working at home with a bad cold), but when I get back in I'll see about the process we have for errata.
Looks like they forgot Table 6-1. I saw 6-2 when I looked quickly this morning, but nothing before it. |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 20:39:48
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Originally posted by Kaysae
I only have one question for Eric (if he's still checking the thread) or a scribe that can point it out for me.
It's minor really, but, why did the Sythillisian Empire become the Sothillisian Empire? It's been that way since 2E, it just struck me as incredibly odd.
I don't know, but I can speculate. My turnover had Sythillisian empire.
My guess is that the editor really didn't like the name Sythillis because it sounds too much like a disease. (The gigle factor is real ... it's hard to maintain versimilitude if your players keep snickering when they contemplate the villain.) If you retcon the name of the ogre magi, then you need to retcon the name of the empire. However, I'm just speculating and don't know for sure.
In any event, note that the formal name of the new ogre-ruled state is likely to become Murannheim, as noted in Sythillis' title.
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msatran
Learned Scribe
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 21:35:41
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For Virgin Ears, this post has a large amount of space, it contains topics that some people might consider slightly offensive.
Sythillissan Empire sounds fine when you spell it. But when anyone from the American Northeast, North of the Mason/Dixon Line and East of Indiana says the word, it sounds like "Syphillissan Empire." My players used to joke about this all the time. I believe the spelling may have been changed in order to avoid excessive out of game references to veneral disease. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6662 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 22:57:07
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What an amazing game we have. We can slaughter unnumbered creatures but can't have a name that sounds like a venereal disease ... 
I guess that means King Forkin of Old Impiltur is off the list now.
-- George Krashos
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 23:00:01
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 23:25:27
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How does the Bane of Infidels feat work? |
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Kaysae
Acolyte
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 23:35:01
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Originally posted by George Krashos
What an amazing game we have. We can slaughter unnumbered creatures but can't have a name that sounds like a venereal disease ...
Heh. I didn't even think about the disease before Eric (and Msatran) pointed out. If anything, I thought of Sith.
Now, I think of Lord Soth. Oh well!
Anyway. I really enjoy the tome, well above and beyond the minor nitpick, Mr. Boyd. It is by far my favorite Realms accessory.
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Originally posted by Dargoth
How does the Bane of Infidels feat work?
Favored Enemy class feature as determined by the Deific Grudge Matches table (page 50) in the Player's Guide to Faerűn. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 00:53:57
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Originally posted by Kaysae
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Originally posted by Dargoth
How does the Bane of Infidels feat work?
Favored Enemy class feature as determined by the Deific Grudge Matches table (page 50) in the Player's Guide to Faerűn.
Do you get all your Deities enemies as Favoured Enemy or do you have to pick one?
Does Bane of Infidels give a higher bonus every 5 levels like the Rangers favoured enemy does? |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 02:52:07
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Originally posted by Dargoth
One of the guys over at Enworld said there where some rather bad editing problems in PoF
"Within 10 minutes of reading the book I found major problems with one of the prestige classes, the Herald.
1. It doesn't have a BAB or save progression.
2. It doesn't list the hit die granted.
3. It has a table labeled 'Court Herald Spells Known', but doesn't detail spells per day.
For all of the above it would follow the loremaster class in the DM's guide, as the description says.
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4. It only has 11 levels of progression in the 'Spells Known' table. It has a power listed at level 12. That power, 'you gain spell resistance equal to your character level', is effectively useless. You can't get this power until you're at least character level 19. What good is SR19 to a 19th level character?
I was frankly surprised to see level 11 listed, since I would have assumed that any levels beyond 10 would be epic, as they are for loremaster. Meaning that one would have no spell progression and would have to be character level 22 in order to pick up the level 12 special power.
Johnsric is correct, there is no table 6-1. I doubt it was forgotten. Most likely table 6-1 was cut from the final version and the remainder of the tables were not relabeled.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 02:56:45
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Originally posted by Sarta
I was frankly surprised to see level 11 listed, since I would have assumed that any levels beyond 10 would be epic, as they are for loremaster. Meaning that one would have no spell progression and would have to be character level 22 in order to pick up the level 12 special power.
Johnsric is correct, there is no table 6-1. I doubt it was forgotten. Most likely table 6-1 was cut from the final version and the remainder of the tables were not relabeled.
Not exactly; the class has pre-10th level requirements, and as such, 12 levels before epic levels are reached is possible(see: LM's true necromancer, RoE's moonspeaker). |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 03:49:06
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Ed saith:
Hmmm. It certainly had a "spells per day" table in turnover. However, if Mike has an approved/fixed one to provide, it will definitely trump my "Okay, how does Word do tables, again?" original. :}
I HAVE heard Ed gripe something like this: "160 pages? Okay, that'll cover the Chapter 1 topic. Have to check with WotC and see if they can ship plastic magnifying sheets with the book, and put the type down to 4 point." He hasn't complained a peep about editing or development, just about the lack of about 900 more pages to work with.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 03:52:35
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
I HAVE heard Ed gripe something like this: "160 pages? Okay, that'll cover the Chapter 1 topic. Have to check with WotC and see if they can ship plastic magnifying sheets with the book, and put the type down to 4 point." He hasn't complained a peep about editing or development, just about the lack of about 900 more pages to work with.
love to all,
THO
I certainly wouldn't complain...
If it's the only way to get more lore from the designers involved in the writing of an FR sourcebook within the page-number restrictions set by WotC... I'll gladly read with magnifying sheets  .
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Kaysae
Acolyte
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 03:58:07
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Do you get all your Deities enemies as Favoured Enemy or do you have to pick one?
Does Bane of Infidels give a higher bonus every 5 levels like the Rangers favoured enemy does?
One enemy. And no, you gain the Favored Enemy feature once (a ranger acquires it multiple times).
Eric:
Are the Twin Towers of the Eternal Eclipse gone completely now?
Western Tower: Abducted by the Sojourner.
Eastern Tower: /Spoiler (just to be safe?) "Shattered" by Sharpfangs. I take this to mean obliterated, since the eastern tower isn't mentioned in the Sothillisian timeline. Too bad, I really liked that location. /Spoiler |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 04:05:38
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Originally posted by Kaysae
Are the Twin Towers of the Eternal Eclipse gone completely now?
This is the biggest continuity problem that I know of in the book due to concurrent development of this product and Paul's novel. Fortunately George and Paul helped work out an explanation that I managed to work into an upcoming product.
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
USA
720 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 15:07:34
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stuff from this book has already been optimized on the wotc char opt. pages (two days ago)
thats crazy!!!! |
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Octa
Learned Scribe
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 15:11:00
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Eric, the book is absolutely great, I have a question for you:
This Shadow outbreak in AThkalta, Am I right in thinking that if this happens (especially in 1371 or so when he Ogres still control of Esmereltan, Imnescar and Murann) one can pretty much say goodbye to Amn as a unified state. With the Ogre Magi in the south and the defection of Riativin whats left really?
Especially considering that Athkalta is the real seat of power for the shadow thieves.
Anyways, my question is, what sort of power groups might step in to fill the power vacumm, Is there any chance the Selunites could unify the country and make it some kind of Theocracy. It seems to me that a powerfull general flush off of victories in Esmereltan or some such might be able to execute a 'coup de etat'.
I guess at epic levels one would tie this whole plot line in with the Twisted Rune's manipulation. Maybe as the ultimate game players they place bets over the possesion of some artifact level magics amongst themselves over who's faction can emerge victorious.
Also seems to me that Shoon VII, who is now hiding out in Athkalta would view this as a wonderfull opportunity to try and sieze sole control of the country. I can't remember but isn't his elfin female body a member of the council of six. A few well placed assasinations by him and a deal with the Synthisillians to split the country with him undermining the existent military while talking tough against the giants and he might just make it work.
Or him emerging as a 'hero' after repelling the shadows (whose release he secretely engineered), like Zaranda Star and riding his wave to kingship.
Probably Shoon VII has figured out that there is some major behind the scenes power in the South, aka the Rune, but that he doesn't know yet who they are or what their goals are.
I actually like this plot alot because now a split up Amn with armies and powerfull mages and humanoids vying for control of the country makes Amn a danger to all of the surrounding area, especially when the mercenaries start pouring in, powered by all that Maztican coin. |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 15:31:10
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I am still waiting for my copy to be filled at Amazon; but I have flipped through the book at B & N. I read the spoiler on page 28 (I didn’t consider it a spoiler just confirmation). My question deals with the Banites in the Old Empires. Are the worshippers of Tiamat taking this laying down?
*rubs hands while watching for the postman*
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Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Octa
Learned Scribe
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 15:36:55
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Ok, the Shoon body is an apprentice of one of the Cowled wizards and not a member of the Council, but it still makes sense.
Imagine now that the PCs run to Athkalta to help the Elven Wizardess Zallonara unify the country only to find out latter they are helping one of the greatest Tyrant's in the History of the South.
Also Shoon VII might need a puppet to put on the throne or a new body since Elves are not exceptionally popular in Amn.
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 16:27:50
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Originally posted by Octa
Eric, the book is absolutely great,
Glad you liked it.
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I have a question for you:
This Shadow outbreak in AThkalta, Am I right in thinking that if this happens (especially in 1371 or so when he Ogres still control of Esmereltan, Imnescar and Murann) one can pretty much say goodbye to Amn as a unified state. With the Ogre Magi in the south and the defection of Riativin whats left really?
I agree there's not much left other than a rump in the middle IF that happens. (Note I do think that falls under the "possible scenarios" section, not the "this happens in canon" sections like the Stinger War.)
Especially considering that Athkalta is the real seat of power for the shadow thieves.
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Anyways, my question is, what sort of power groups might step in to fill the power vacumm, Is there any chance the Selunites could unify the country and make it some kind of Theocracy. It seems to me that a powerfull general flush off of victories in Esmereltan or some such might be able to execute a 'coup de etat'.
Perhaps. There will be more fodder for this debate after Dragons of Faerun is released, but I would look to Sharpfangs to play a major role as well.
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I guess at epic levels one would tie this whole plot line in with the Twisted Rune's manipulation. Maybe as the ultimate game players they place bets over the possesion of some artifact level magics amongst themselves over who's faction can emerge victorious.
Also seems to me that Shoon VII, who is now hiding out in Athkalta would view this as a wonderfull opportunity to try and sieze sole control of the country. I can't remember but isn't his elfin female body a member of the council of six. A few well placed assasinations by him and a deal with the Synthisillians to split the country with him undermining the existent military while talking tough against the giants and he might just make it work.
Or him emerging as a 'hero' after repelling the shadows (whose release he secretely engineered), like Zaranda Star and riding his wave to kingship.
Probably Shoon VII has figured out that there is some major behind the scenes power in the South, aka the Rune, but that he doesn't know yet who they are or what their goals are.
I actually like this plot alot because now a split up Amn with armies and powerfull mages and humanoids vying for control of the country makes Amn a danger to all of the surrounding area, especially when the mercenaries start pouring in, powered by all that Maztican coin.
Glad we got the wheels spinning.
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 16:32:53
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Originally posted by Bakra
I am still waiting for my copy to be filled at Amazon; but I have flipped through the book at B & N. I read the spoiler on page 28 (I didn’t consider it a spoiler just confirmation). My question deals with the Banites in the Old Empires. Are the worshippers of Tiamat taking this laying down?
*rubs hands while watching for the postman*
This is addressed in an upcoming product.
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Octa
Learned Scribe
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 17:30:35
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Eric thanks for the reply, I think that revisiting this in Dragons of Faerun will be great.
Ok now I have to go pester Steven Schend about the history of Amn under the Monarchy... |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 22:56:56
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Next years theme is the Realms of War, I suspect we'lll be seeing alot more of Amn
If Amn collpses I imagine the Flaming fist will come down from Baldurs Gate and Blockade the pass through the cloud peaks and Tethyr may come north and grab a few more of Amns southern towns and cities.
Or Tethyr could try and grab all of civiilized Amn. "From Exile to Humble Scribe to Emperor of the South: The Life and Time of Lhaeo"  |
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msatran
Learned Scribe
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2006 : 04:44:26
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| Come on, guys. They're not going to just wave their hands and wipe Amn. |
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nbnmare
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Mar 2006 : 11:33:02
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Originally posted by Octa
Also seems to me that Shoon VII, who is now hiding out in Athkalta would view this as a wonderfull opportunity to try and sieze sole control of the country. I can't remember but isn't his elfin female body a member of the council of six.
Nope, you're confusing Zallanora with Tyrda Q'Helvor. It's understandable though, given that both are female half-elves who belong to the Cowled Wizards :).
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Probably Shoon VII has figured out that there is some major behind the scenes power in the South, aka the Rune, but that he doesn't know yet who they are or what their goals are.
According to LoI, Shoon is already more than aware of the goals of the Twisted Rune, not to mention those of the Shadow Thieves. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 13:20:44
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Banites play a role in the Old empires battle. The Banites of the Lake of Steam didn't make the cut as said earlier by Eric.
Oh oh! Is there stuff on the Banites of Mourktar in PoF? |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
628 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 16:59:07
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quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd
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Originally posted by Bakra
I am still waiting for my copy to be filled at Amazon; but I have flipped through the book at B & N. I read the spoiler on page 28 (I didn’t consider it a spoiler just confirmation). My question deals with the Banites in the Old Empires. Are the worshippers of Tiamat taking this laying down?
*rubs hands while watching for the postman*
This is addressed in an upcoming product.
--Eric
Thanks for the fast reply. I can't wait for the rest of this year to unfold. My poor checking account...
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(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 19:11:02
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Well met
I was quite surprised when I found this time yesterday in my FLGS. Needless to say, I promptly picked it up. I only had around an hour or so to peruse the tome yesterday but will be taking a deeper look over the next few days.
From what i've seen thus far, i'm very impressed! A great tome which is packed with fluff! There's very little crunch within and many things to make me extremely happy. The maps were a very welcome surprise too and i'm sure i'll be spending a considerable amount of time working through this tome!  |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
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Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 19:22:45
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The maps were a very welcome surprise too...
Sounds good. Perhaps wotc is making up for the lack of maps in Serpent Kingdoms? My copy should ship in a few days... |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 03:08:06
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Banites play a role in the Old empires battle. The Banites of the Lake of Steam didn't make the cut as said earlier by Eric.
Oh oh! Is there stuff on the Banites of Mourktar in PoF?
*bump*
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