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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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 Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 03:51:35
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I don't believe so.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 03:53:26
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I don't believe so.
-- George Krashos
Scribes keep mentioning that Banites are helping "Free Unther" fight Mulhrond |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6662 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 06:25:32
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Hmm, if it hasn't been changed in editing it's a sidebar titled "Warfare in Faerūn" in the Rule the Battlefield chapter. It talks about the Untheric Crusade and notes that in early 1374 DR, the Banites of Mourktar march to the assistance of beseiged Untherites at Messemprar, changing the balance in this conflict. That's pretty much it as I can see. For now ...
-- George Krashos
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 06:32:38
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| They get a mention on that same infamous page 28 IIRC. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 15:38:42
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Originally posted by Alaundo
A great tome which is packed with fluff!
Oh, Alaundo... |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 00:59:23
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Vocabulary sections!!  This is going to be 10 long days...
Eric, do you need any help with that plan to stymie the hamster? I need something to stay busy
I knew you'd drool for that tidbit...
Heh, now that I got it, I'm not so much drooling, as impersonating that (in)famous Cheshire Cat when I think about how much of these tidbits we at Candlekeep already had been given a year or two back. (And for some reason I'm not suprpised they failed to find a way to sneak in the list of synonyms for breasts or the "stronger" cursewords ) |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6662 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 05:01:59
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Got it!
Only skimmed Ed's chapters so far - had a sneaky peek at Eric's beforehand. Nice. Good realmslore. Unobtrusive game mechanics. Hate how the editor changed Sythillis to Sothillis for no real reason. Glad to see the little Impiltur bits snuck in. On to Mysteries of the Moonsea - which will be a total surprise for me. Can't wait.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Octa
Learned Scribe
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 05:20:55
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Ok this one goes out to anybody, but I am guessing people have thought about this some,
Where oh where does it tell me how much tax money landholders get?
Should it just be abstract i.e. enough to put 1% of the population in arms unless the PC kicks in extra, or what 1 sp per month per person? |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 14:19:38
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Got it!
Only skimmed Ed's chapters so far - had a sneaky peek at Eric's beforehand. Nice. Good realmslore. Unobtrusive game mechanics. Hate how the editor changed Sythillis to Sothillis for no real reason. Glad to see the little Impiltur bits snuck in. On to Mysteries of the Moonsea - which will be a total surprise for me. Can't wait.
-- George Krashos
My minor gripe also on the edit of the name.....
Call me crazy but I've always (as the guy who created the name) pronounced the ogre mage's name as si-THILL-us, accent heavy on the center syllable.
<Shrug> Oh well.....
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2006 : 05:27:16
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Got it!
Like I said to Ed somewhere else: DM Heaven. Pure and simple.
And yes: I love how you built on the Business ownership rules of DMG2 and the Heroes of Battle stuff. I won't have to 'relearn' other rule systems, which will allow me to focus on the most important DM task: plotline. Of all the non-FR stuff I've purchased in the last two years, Heroes of Battle is a close second to the Complete Adventurer book, as far as my DM usage goes. DMG2 is a close third, now that two out of my five PCs are joint business owners in Velprintalar. |
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
252 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2006 : 03:36:00
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I don't see the spoiler on page 28 as a big item. It seems like a logical conclusion and doesn't affect my enthusiasm for the last book.
What is the symbol on the title page, anyway?
and BTW, from Eric Boyd in the question of Tiamat and Banites in Unther quote:
This is addressed in an upcoming product.
 
just Unther, or all the Old Empires? (I know you can't answer that NDA, probably)
I guess the bit with Unther is also tied in with the NPC Ningal from FRCS?
Great work on the book, also.
Mkhaiwati
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2006 : 18:44:30
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Now I too have the Power of Faerūn! Bravo, bravo.
Eric, could you list which of the chapters you were the primary author of? (I wish more detailed crediting was given on the credits/copyright page.) |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2006 : 19:16:39
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Originally posted by Faraer
Now I too have the Power of Faerūn! Bravo, bravo.
Eric, could you list which of the chapters you were the primary author of? (I wish more detailed crediting was given on the credits/copyright page.)
Always difficult to "credit" as authors collaborate and mix their content.
I had the lead for Chapters 2, 3, 4, 5, and 9, but Ed did all the creamy Realmslore sidebars.
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Octa
Learned Scribe
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2006 : 01:28:22
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2006 : 01:40:26
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| It is, but as Eric says, the collaboration and development in RPG books complicates that. And there's something to be said for respecting the cooperative alchemy and keeping credits vague, but I think the pros of detailed crediting outweigh the cons. |
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Eremite
Learned Scribe
Singapore
182 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2006 : 03:32:54
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Originally posted by George Krashos(snip)Hate how the editor changed Sythillis to Sothillis for no real reason. (snip)
Any idea why this was done? FWIW, the gallery on the WotC website uses the correct spelling.
Great book, BTW. This is the just the catalyst that I needed to generate some ideas for my next FR campaign which is going to be lighter on combat than past games (with the consent of the players so there's no "DM ruling from on high" driving this). |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36798 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2006 : 17:36:09
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| I noticed yesterday that the map and illustration of Sune's temple don't match the written description... Also, one of the buildings in the map disappears in the illustration! |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 01:39:50
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6662 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 02:55:35
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I noticed yesterday that the map and illustration of Sune's temple don't match the written description... Also, one of the buildings in the map disappears in the illustration!
Umm, I must be blind, because I had a look at this and all the numbers and buildings seemed to match up fine. What's missing WR?
-- George Krashos
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36798 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 03:58:48
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I noticed yesterday that the map and illustration of Sune's temple don't match the written description... Also, one of the buildings in the map disappears in the illustration!
Umm, I must be blind, because I had a look at this and all the numbers and buildings seemed to match up fine. What's missing WR?
-- George Krashos
Building 1 is described as being three cylindrical towers merged into one whole. But the building numbered 1 in the map is just a regular building. There's only three towers in the entire picture, and at least one is identified as something else... The drawing of the building doesn't look a thing like three towers.
Building 5, the Radiant Tower, is described as being four stories. In the illustration, it and the other towers literally tower (pun not intended) over the rest of the complex. But the Hall of Love (building 4) is also described as four stories -- the same height. Buildings 3 and 6, the Hall of Passion and the Artisan's Quarters, are described as having three stories, which is nearly the same height. Yet in the illustration, none of these buildings is anywhere near as tall as the Radiant Tower.
Oh, and how can the Radiant Tower have a beautiful rooftop garden if it's got the same cap on top as the other towers (maybe purchased from Glarasteer Rhauligan? )?
Lastly... If you look at the map from the southeastern wall, where the gate is, you'll note that the Radiant Tower and the tower next to it form a straight line parallel to this wall. Also parallel to this wall is the Artisan's Quarters, right behind the towers. From that wall, looking between the towers, the Artisan's Quarters should be visible. Yet, in the little inset illustration, which is looking at the temple from that same angle, the Artisan's Quarters are not visible. In fact, one of the wall towers should be blocked by this building, and yet it is clearly visible.
So the numbers and buildings do add up, but the illustration and the descriptions don't. But... It's not the first time the description and the artwork haven't matched. Hopefully this one won't result in a retcon the way the drow skintone issue did.  |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 04:40:20
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"drow skintone issue" ?
I think I missed this one, could you explain? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 05:00:23
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Originally posted by Kentinal
"drow skintone issue" ?
I think I missed this one, could you explain?
The text about the drow skin tone in the Underdark sourcebook, or was it Races of Faerun?, was changed because artists supposedly can't draw/paint/etc ebony/obsidian skinned drow, even though I've seen many ebony/obsidian skinned drow from fan artists, etc. :)
Yes, we did ask Richard Baker about it and that was his answer. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 05:23:39
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It was Underdark... with Rich saying that they only did this in one sourcebook in the last 20 or so years because the artists had a difficult time drawing drow... thus the text was changed to match the artist images.
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Octa
Learned Scribe
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 07:42:15
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Hey, have any of you all gone over how Sythillis' leadership score was calculated?
It looks like his number of followers was calculated using 37 as his score, which is 740 1st levels, which is then doubled by the Extra followers feat to get 1480. Why isn't it 52 like it says in the book? None of these are follower specific, i.e. castle, power etc...
I am assuming that this is 25 plus his commander rating (7) and his decoration bonus (+5), which adds to 37. but not including the +15 for his influence.
The +4 for the rulership feat, and the +1 to his leadership score are calculated into the 25 total for leadership.
He has the right number of total feats which is 9, but why doesn't he have the Epic Leadership feat? That would give him way more followers he would have a +34 base, then +17 for his rank and decorations and then a +15 for his influence for a grand total of +66, which would give him 7200 first level followers. I'm guessing they didn't want to use anything from the epic level handbook. Or am I just adding things up wrong?
Ok let me think about this, the second one Daelegoth, just uses the modifiers in the book, i.e. +2 for bishop, -2 for heretic, +1 for speaker, +3 influence for a +29 which is the number of followers they give him. So this one make sense. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 07:46:47
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PoF has arrived
*drool* |
I am the King of Rome, and above grammar
Emperor Sigismund
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 08:33:04
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Originally posted by Octa
Hey, have any of you all gone over how Sythillis' leadership score was calculated?
It looks like his number of followers was calculated using 37 as his score, which is 740 1st levels, which is then doubled by the Extra followers feat to get 1480. Why isn't it 52 like it says in the book? None of these are follower specific, i.e. castle, power etc...
I am assuming that this is 25 plus his commander rating (7) and his decoration bonus (+5), which adds to 37. but not including the +15 for his influence.
The +4 for the rulership feat, and the +1 to his leadership score are calculated into the 25 total for leadership.
He has the right number of total feats which is 9, but why doesn't he have the Epic Leadership feat? That would give him way more followers he would have a +34 base, then +17 for his rank and decorations and then a +15 for his influence for a grand total of +66, which would give him 7200 first level followers. I'm guessing they didn't want to use anything from the epic level handbook. Or am I just adding things up wrong?
Ok let me think about this, the second one Daelegoth, just uses the modifiers in the book, i.e. +2 for bishop, -2 for heretic, +1 for speaker, +3 influence for a +29 which is the number of followers they give him. So this one make sense.
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